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smoking confllct (by Aaron [VT]) Jan 11, 2019 3:14 PM
       smoking confllct (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 11, 2019 3:35 PM
       smoking confllct (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jan 11, 2019 3:38 PM
       smoking confllct (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jan 11, 2019 3:40 PM
       smoking confllct (by RB [MI]) Jan 11, 2019 3:47 PM
       smoking confllct (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 11, 2019 3:53 PM
       smoking confllct (by Jim in O C [CA]) Jan 11, 2019 4:00 PM
       smoking confllct (by JB [OR]) Jan 11, 2019 5:55 PM
       smoking confllct (by Vee [OH]) Jan 11, 2019 6:44 PM
       smoking confllct (by plenty [MO]) Jan 11, 2019 6:49 PM
       smoking confllct (by Nellie [ME]) Jan 11, 2019 7:17 PM
       smoking confllct (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 12, 2019 7:25 AM
       smoking confllct (by RB [MI]) Jan 12, 2019 8:55 AM
       smoking confllct (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jan 12, 2019 9:01 AM
       smoking confllct (by George [MA]) Jan 12, 2019 9:12 AM
       smoking confllct (by JB [OR]) Jan 12, 2019 9:29 AM
       smoking confllct (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 12, 2019 9:33 AM
       smoking confllct (by Busy [WI]) Jan 12, 2019 10:24 AM


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smoking confllct (by Aaron [VT]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 3:14 PM
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A couple - who obviously blatantly broke the terms of their lease in regard to

smoking - claim that " smell is not all that bad" and that all they are willing to pay for restoration is for " the one room they usually smoked in."

Does anyone have any idea of how handle this kind of a controversy?

Many thanks

Aaron --173.48.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 3:35 PM
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If you do zero tolerance than I guess it would be eviction time or otherwise take what they would pay and let it go but I am not the best advice. --73.120.xx.xxx




smoking confllct (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 3:38 PM
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They broke the rules and knew it. They have no say in remediation.

The air circulates and with it so does smoke. It also comes off their clothes when they walk into another room or sit on furniture. Since they said that the "smell is not all that bad" still means they admit that it smells. Your goal is to not have smoke smell at all.

Be firm and don't be bullied. Inform them you want ALL smoke smell out of the entire house. That's why the lease said NO SMOKING. If they didn't want to pay, they should have obeyed the lease rules. --108.69.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 3:40 PM
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I assumed it was end of lease. If it isn't, then terminate lease. No point fixing it if they still live there. They'll just break it again and you'll fix again. If you leave it alone, it will get worse and they'll know they won.

Evict, fix, bill them. --108.69.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 3:47 PM
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Another tenant life style issue. --184.53.x.xxx




smoking confllct (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 3:53 PM
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One thing I have learned is if they smoke at all they will smoke inside no matter what. --73.120.xx.xxx




smoking confllct (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 4:00 PM
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They may smoke in one room but the odor travels to other rooms. Charge what it costs so the whole property is smoke free. I don't even allow outside smokers because the smoke odor is on their clothes, body and hair and transfers to the property. --99.23.xxx.x




smoking confllct (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 5:55 PM
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What they want makes no difference. Charge whatever it takes to get you back to odor free...no matter what it costs.

--24.20.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 6:44 PM
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Most remediation cost 250-350 per room, seal - Prime - color coating. Start collecting 2-300 month extra until paid up, a double deposit barely covers smoking

damage. --76.188.xxx.x




smoking confllct (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 6:49 PM
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I've started saying "no smoking on property" let them say whatever just run your business. --99.203.xx.xxx




smoking confllct (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2019 7:17 PM
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Yup, I have a no smoking on property clause. Itís a much colder trip to the curb and weeds them out better. --64.222.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 7:25 AM
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I have to wonder how well does the no smoking on property clause work out. They are probably going to brake that rule for sure. Then you would have to evict them or let it slide. Has anyone trying this had any problems? How did you resolve it? What was the end result. --73.120.xx.xxx




smoking confllct (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 8:55 AM
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No Smokers !

Screen x3. (Effort) --184.53.x.xxx




smoking confllct (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 9:01 AM
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They don't get to tell you what damage they will pay for and what damage they wont pay for.

My contract is "no smoking in the buildings or on the grounds" and my application asks if anyone smokes or has smoked in the last six months. --98.146.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by George [MA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 9:12 AM
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SO What do you do to come up with a damage settlement number when an apartment reeks of cigarette smoke, the lease clearly states no smoking and the ex tenant claims he never smoke and threatens to have you fined 3 times the rent for failing to follow this state's crazy liberal judgements on the way a landlord handles his security security deposits? --173.48.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 9:29 AM
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George, don't worry about their threat of 3x (not even the worst judges usually allow that for anything less than ridiculous). Bring witnesses. Take samples of what you wiped of windows and walls/ceilings (tagged and bagged). --24.20.xxx.xxx




smoking confllct (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 9:33 AM
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Some of my tenants and clients tenants are chain smokers. I tell them all that on the day I'm scheduled to work in the unit, they should stop smoking inside and air out the unit. Around 10% of them won't comply. My health is important to me. Having made millions in real estate I don't want to die because of a tenants poor choices. Money with bad lungs is a poor way to die.

When I had to evict a tenant because they wouldn't allow me to work in a smoke free environment, I had to convince a pro-tenant judge that my health is a valid reason why I couldn't effect repairs. Also since the tenant is a chain smoker, they removed the smoke detectors putting all other tenants in my building at risk.

In this case I had to take my full face mask with supplied air and work in the unit like it was a toxic waste dump or a war zone with muster gas.

A long term tenant of 15 years wanted me to upgrade their bathroom and kitchen. After working in their bathroom and being exposed to smoke I refused to upgrade their kitchen, until she could go a few days without stinking up the apartment. She couldn't be bothered to smoke on her patio. When she ate in the kitchen/eating area, a cigarette is part of her meals...between bites. --47.156.xx.xx




smoking confllct (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2019 10:24 AM
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I have a tenant who is a heavy smoker, so like Robert, I ask him to smoke outside on days when Iím scheduled to do work. He complies. They also bought a small patio set to sit outside. Iíve noticed, in summer, the house smells better.

Smoke masks the residual moldy/ weed smells from when the house was a grow house (previous owner.) --70.92.xxx.xxx



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