OT to give or not? (by elliot [RI]) Apr 9, 2019 3:35 AM|
OT to give or not? (by NE [PA]) Apr 9, 2019 3:49 AM
OT to give or not? (by Ken [NY]) Apr 9, 2019 4:31 AM
OT to give or not? (by Still Learning [NH]) Apr 9, 2019 4:45 AM
OT to give or not? (by HGT [MA]) Apr 9, 2019 4:47 AM
OT to give or not? (by plenty [MO]) Apr 9, 2019 4:47 AM
OT to give or not? (by RB [MI]) Apr 9, 2019 4:51 AM
OT to give or not? (by NE [PA]) Apr 9, 2019 4:54 AM
OT to give or not? (by WMH [NC]) Apr 9, 2019 4:58 AM
OT to give or not? (by WMH [NC]) Apr 9, 2019 4:59 AM
OT to give or not? (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 9, 2019 5:02 AM
OT to give or not? (by David [MI]) Apr 9, 2019 5:31 AM
OT to give or not? (by LindaJ [NY]) Apr 9, 2019 5:41 AM
OT to give or not? (by #22 [MO]) Apr 9, 2019 5:47 AM
OT to give or not? (by Bill [NC]) Apr 9, 2019 5:51 AM
OT to give or not? (by Richard [MI]) Apr 9, 2019 6:01 AM
OT to give or not? (by elliot [RI]) Apr 9, 2019 6:24 AM
OT to give or not? (by CDM [CA]) Apr 9, 2019 8:37 AM
OT to give or not? (by WMH [NC]) Apr 9, 2019 10:02 AM
OT to give or not? (by JKJ [MA]) Apr 9, 2019 11:19 AM
OT to give or not? (by David [MI]) Apr 9, 2019 11:59 AM
OT to give or not? (by Busy [WI]) Apr 9, 2019 12:07 PM
OT to give or not? (by Busy [WI]) Apr 9, 2019 12:08 PM
OT to give or not? (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Apr 9, 2019 8:42 PM
OT to give or not? (by Robin [WI]) Apr 10, 2019 4:18 AM
OT to give or not? (by Libi [NY]) Apr 10, 2019 4:23 AM
OT to give or not? (by Busy [WI]) Apr 10, 2019 7:51 AM
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OT to give or not? (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:35 AM
My younger son started to attend a local private high school this school year.. Yesterday I got a call to donate to the school (was suggested $500).
The amount of the money is not the question.. I have been donating to my church and various charities for years and enough to buy a house.. I just don't understand the concept of asking for donation when the school gets paid tuition and nothing is free for him.
Can someone who is familiar with the whole school+fundraising thing enlighten me? thanks!
OT to give or not? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:49 AM
Good timing on this one. My son is in public school and it seems that he gets sent home every1-2 weeks with a new fundraiser pamphlet for the school. My wife feels like we need to do each one of them and I feel "one and done" is good enough. I pay enough taxes to the district with the properties for my kid and a lot more as it is.
Waiting to see what others say. --50.107.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:31 AM
You are paying to send the kid there,as far as I am concerned they should have raised the tuition if they thought they needed more,i wouldn't give them anymore. --72.231.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:45 AM
We paid to send my daughter to private high school. They do fundraise for capital projects, financial aid, etc. I ignored them except for once a year when they were going for 100% participation and then we gave $50-100. My daughter had financial aid and we were not in the same income bracket as many. If they did a donate money to wear jeans day that supported a faculty member due to house fire or a local charity, then I donated. I took my turn donating and making sandwiches for my daughter’s after school sports events. Once she is out in the world and making money, she can choose to donate or not to that school. For our local public schools, the fundraisers are often targeted to supplement the budget (perhaps bring in an author/artist, purchase snowshoes for the PE classes, new piece of playground equipment, purchase team uniforms, etc). --24.61.xxx.xx
OT to give or not? (by HGT [MA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:47 AM
We used to call the local faith based school "Our mother of perpetual shakedown" --100.0.xx.xx
OT to give or not? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:47 AM
Like a condo fee? They can do things above and beyond the budget? The question to ask is what are they fundraising for? Basketballs? Build tennis court? Science lab? Roof? --99.203.xx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:51 AM
Shake down !
Ditto, "one and done". --184.53.x.xxx
OT to give or not? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:54 AM
HGT, that hilarious. With the school, I see it as pulling at everyone's heart strings. You have kindergarteners and 1st graders selling trinkets and doodads, who's going
to say no? --50.107.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:58 AM
At my son's private school back in the day, it was a given that all parents donate during the annual fundraising. They said this helped defray tuition costs overall, which would be much more without annual donations. They were actually a 501C non-profit organization, so if your employer matches funds that's a bonus.
The minimum amount recommended, back then, was $1000. Some gave much more, of course some gave less, but everyone gave something. --50.82.xxx.xx
OT to give or not? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:59 AM
Oh and to ensure everyone did, they published everyone's name and the amount given! --50.82.xxx.xx
OT to give or not? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:02 AM
The unions here in Southern California have it made. The pension's for public servants is ridiculousness. We also have the Lotto which generates tons of money for the schools also. We have billion dollar "Bonds" too. Nothing ever seems to be enough.
So I investigated and for every dollar the Lotto generates for the schools, Federal and State funding is then cut because the Lotto money is there to cover the new shortage.
When the Last few bonds were issued, like 4 Billion dollars for the school, the top accounting firm was tasked with doing a public audit -- 100 employee's were hired at the accounting firm to keep track of the 4 billion. A year later when asked where did the money go, the Accounting Firm Replied, "We don't know, the Schools won't supply us with the information -- we can't account for one single dollar, let alone 4 billion"!
The Schools, public and private, ask for funding for particular matters. Once approved and the money is received, EVERYONE with decision making authority decides to use the money for some other cause.
When a church was fundraising for a new roof, As a contractor I offered to do the Labor for free so long as the materials were covered. I didn't get the job. Why? because then everyone would know they only needed to raise a few thousand. Instead they raised over $25,000 and used $15,000 for their own personal interests.
OT to give or not? (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:31 AM
Before I would say ask if that donation is tax deductible but with the change in tax law, its not going to help you either way
You should save the donation money and use it to slip his teachers some gift cards at holidays, cut out the middle man! --144.250.xx.xx
OT to give or not? (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:41 AM
Fund raising is certainly big now days... Go-fund-me pops up for everything. Schools have been doing this for ages. I still have wrapping paper from when my daughter was in elementary school - she is 25. I never had a problem with a fund raising for a specific item that was over and above what was expected from going to school to learn - whale watch trip, classroom item, etc.
But I quickly learned NOT to buy something I didn't want. I would just give a donation instead. Of course that was public school which still gets way too much of my and everyone else's tax dollars. If I were paying tuition, I would not be inclined to just give a donation unless it was for a specific item I agreed with. I think we have become a society of "we don't have enough money, give us some" instead of being more careful with the money you have. Her college still asks for donations (which we never give) after paying plenty in tuition to them.
So do what you believe in. Unless it is a fee that your child will get kicked out of school for not paying. --108.4.xxx.xx
OT to give or not? (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:47 AM
I'd tread carefully... not sure what kind of a private school this is, but I know personally of people in my town, who have been brow beaten and shamed into donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to the catholic schools, based on remarks like, "we know you made 600k last year." If you want to donate, do it,but proceed with caution as you could fall on this slippery slope..... --173.24.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Bill [NC]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:51 AM
I don't participate. When they come to me I tell them they should be in class learning the "3R's" --75.138.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:01 AM
Not a penny.
These scams have been going on all my lifetime.
If they really need the money, let them WORK FOR IT. --66.188.xx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:24 AM
WMH's comment, your name shows got me thinking.. For my kid's sake, this will be one and only time I dish out ..
Its a catholic school near UMass Boston, my kid has to ride the commuter rail at 6AM to commute.. Their tuition is relatively reasonable comparing to some other private high schools..
I appreciate all the insights. --71.232.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by CDM [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 8:37 AM
My daughters both went to a Catholic high school. We paid tuition and also donated to the school, because we knew there were quite a few poor and deserving kids at the school who couldn't afford the full tuition, and our donations supported their education. The school also has large capital expenses related to updating the campus for students with disabilities, for instance, putting in a modern science lab, building a real auditorium, etc., etc. We donated because we supported the school's mission and knew it provided a good education and a positive social climate for kids who would otherwise have to attend our terrible local public schools.
If you support the school's mission and think they manage their money well, donate. If not, don't. But tuition typically doesn't cover all the costs of educating a child. It's the way most private schools structure their finances. --73.231.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 10:02 AM
Part of the acceptance process at my son's school was the parent's willingness to donate time and/or money to the school. They had a few scholarship students too. If you were not willing to "follow the rules" there was a good chance your kid would not get accepted.
As it was, they had to go spend the day and be voted in by the teachers! Headmaster was determined it was not going to be a dumping ground for spoiled rich kids. --50.82.xxx.xx
OT to give or not? (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 11:19 AM
I also send my child to a catholic school, for which I pay a lot for her tuition. Her school also asks for donations, depending on what it is for I may or may not donate. For example, I donate for things that benefit my daughter, like every year before Xmas they ask for donations for “Christmas shopping for the kids” the school gets local businesses to set up in the gym and the students can Xmas shop for their parents, grandparents, siblings, and pets. The donations provide basic gifts for the kids to pick, and they also have items that the kids can buy if their parents gave them money. It pays for refreshments, and offsets the cost of the items the business are selling. They also have teachers/parents there to help the younger kids handle their money and what not. Or if the kids are raising money for charity, or for school events like dances. On the other hand if they ask for a donation for the school (They do and $500 is mentioned but they say donate what you can) I don’t give to that, I pay a lot of money for her to go there, I don’t think they should ask for more. As for schools posting a list of who gave and how much, I guess you could say that’s to thank those that gave, but I think it’s to shame those that were no going to donate into donating. My daughters school doesn’t post the names of who gave and the amounts. Personally I think if a school does that they should be ashamed of themselves. --174.199.xx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 11:59 AM
Seems like it would be easier to just increase the sticker price, and then provide need-based scholarships. --144.250.xx.xx
OT to give or not? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 12:07 PM
Way back when we were practicing Catholics, our paradise published a list of donors and amounts. Our name was near the top of the list, which was crazy, because we were no where near the higher end of income earners. We started getting all kinds of comments from other parishioners, and oh! The ones who were out to sell us crap! After every mass, we would get sought out and inundated with other parishioners pitching their wares.
I went to the next parish council meeting. Introduced myself, showed where I was on that stupid list, and said, ‘if you ever publish this information again, you’ll get not one more cent from us. ‘ And left.
Notes from parish council meeting said it was decided to no longer publish that list. --172.58.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 12:08 PM
Parish. Certainly wasn’t paradise. --172.58.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 8:42 PM
When I was a kid people got into school the old fashioned way...
Daddy paid for the new Science Hall! :) --24.121.xx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2019 4:18 AM
Fundraisers are a pet peeve. The high school athletes sell discount cards to local businesses...the junior high school kids sell wristbands to save the whales...the elementary school kids sell overpriced wrapping paper and candy to help a needy school in Africa... I think one year I counted thirteen separate fundraisers that came to our door. And that doesn't count the ones that came home in the school folder.
Part of the issue is that schools have taken on the role of teaching kids to be generous citizens of the world. An important lesson, yes. I suppose that as intact families become the exception rather than the rule, that role will inevitably shift. But why not teach the kids to give from their own efforts rather than panhandling on behalf of the needy? For many years our church held an annual fundraiser where the kids sold mulch. They bought a tractor trailer load of it, and on Mulch Madness day they went around, delivered it, and spread it. Their prices were very competitive (low overhead!), and THEY were making the contribution. Much better than teaching begging at an early age. --204.210.xxx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Libi [NY]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2019 4:23 AM
I never played for those overpriced gift wrapping or cookies. Sometimes I was agreeing to have a magazine subscription.
Was telling:”If you need this money for a trip, I will just pay for the trip. I will not support some random (or not) distributor.” --74.90.xx.xxx
OT to give or not? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2019 7:51 AM
Libi, I’ve done that too. And, it has become popular to have donation drives instead of selling things.
To David’s point of donating directly to the teachers- at our parish grade school, someone had the idea to get ‘wish lists’ from teachers for classroom supplies, equipment. Teachers get inundated with cutesy Avon type gifts at holidays, and that stuff just sits on a shelf. Instead, teachers made lists of things that would be useful. First year, some teacher’s lists weren’t long enough, and the lists were completely fulfilled. Teachers learned to add a bit more. Not everything donated was brand new, nor did it need to be. A couple of us were regular rummage sale shoppers, and we could get books for next to nothing. So, teachers would give complete lists of books they ‘teach’; we could restock their supplies for a quarter or fifty cents a book. --70.92.xxx.xxx
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