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Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Apr 8, 2019 6:32 PM
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Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 6:32 PM
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I had a tenant skip out on me and he left me with a toilet that has been dripping water for some time (of course he never called me about it) and it has saturated/rotted-out the plywood sub-floor. Today, the toilet, pedestal sink and sheet vinyl were removed. On Tuesday, I will be cutting out a 3x4 section of 3/4 inch plywood that supports the toilet. The other half of the bathroom sub-floor seems to be okay.

I will use a circular saw to make a 3/4 inch cut into the plywood near the door going straight across but I will have to stop once I get near the fiber glass bath tub. About 30 inches of my damaged sub-floor runs underneath the fiberglass bath tub.

My question is : what is the best cutting tool to use to cut the plywood that runs along the bottom edge of the bath-tub and also near the adjacent walls also? I want the cut to be as flush (no pun intended) as possible.

The cutting tools that I own are : Reciprocating (saw-zaw), Jig-Saw, Oscillating cutting tool, Angle grinder,...and a Chainsaw.

It would seem the Oscillating tool would be the best option but mine cuts 'really slow' and I have a lot of wood to cut out near the walls. Does anyone have a better suggestion on cutting tools? --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 6:34 PM
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Ryobi plus 1 with oscillating head. Dremil also makes it. I think they call it the multi max.

I wouldn't even try to use anything else like a sawzall or jigsaw. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 6:36 PM
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Get a new half moon shaped cutting blade for your oscillating tool. Just don't hit any nails. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 6:49 PM
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Thanks NE,

I have seen the half-moon cutting blades at Lowes but have never needed one. I guess I do now. I will get one tomorrow.

I tried to hire this job out but my handyman is booked for the next 10 days. There are times when I have no choice but to do things myself. I want to have this house re-rented ASAP. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 6:51 PM
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That's right. Get it done. Helpers I've used have went out and bought these multi tools after I let them use mine. Very helpful tools. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 7:33 PM
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When the national unemployment rate is below 4%, that generally means everyone who wants a job, has a job. I have had a tough time lately in trying to hire people. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 8:22 PM
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Mikita multi tool , the one that doesnít need a tool to change the blade. Holds blade very securely, doesnít work loose.

Takes a long time to rot out subfloor. Quarterly inspections should check for this type of drip. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 8:53 PM
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Dont know which one you have. With oscillating tools a good blade is just as important as the tool.

For a large job like that I would use a carbide wood cutting blade. Stays sharper longer so cuts faster. Bosch makes a good one.

Most jobs the cheaper steel blades are fine. --73.152.xx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 8:56 PM
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I would use the recip saw with a 12 inch blade along the wall. It will be almost as quick as the chainsaw. Lay the blade as close to the floor as possible and against the wall, the hook on the end of the blade is your friend, it will be doing most of the cutting.

Once you make that cut you can decide if you have enough control to cut along the tub, if not use the osculating saw. You don't want to lay the recip saw blade against the tub, it will take the finish off. Rather, start 1/4 inch away and undercut under the tub slightly. Once you get the groove started you can draw it closer as you go. Then clean it up with the oscillator if needed. --50.26.xx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Apr 8, 2019 10:21 PM
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sawzall. trying to cut 5 feet of 3/4" plywood with an oscillating saw will cost you several of the expensive little blades. those tools are like scalpels, not machetes --73.141.xxx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:13 AM
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I'd use the Sawzall with an extra stiff demo blade.

Don't forget to add bracing before the new plywood.

If you nick the tub use a piece of quarter round to "upgrade". --173.233.xxx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:15 AM
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Roy, I'm sure you already know this, but make sure you don't cut any of the joists with that Sawzall.

And if you are cutting under the light switch, watch out for that three way wire. Cutting that will turn an easy job into a much harder one. --173.233.xxx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:47 AM
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At this writing, I do not know if I have 1 or 2 layers of plywood over the floor joists. I am not even sure which direction the floor joist run but today I will get answers to these mysteries. I have done this type of demo before but it has been years and I did not own an Oscillating tool back then. Yes, those little blades are expensive. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:53 AM
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I wouldn't use a sawzall. If that blade comes out of the groove when you're cutting, it could ricochet down the face of your tub base and leave scratches all over it. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Dodge [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:12 AM
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The only thing I have to add is to lean or tape a piece of wood against the tub to prevent any errant cutting from damaging the tub. --174.200.xx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:18 AM
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Gevans,

Thanks for your input. I will try that extra stiff Saw-Zaw blade you mentioned. I love my green Hitachi Saw-Zaw but keeping it under control (no bounce) in tight spaces is sometimes a challenge.

The plywood that is within 12 inches of where the toilet sat, is all mush and should come out by hand. Yes, I will wear rubber gloves and face mask. Yesterday, the stink was bad when the sheet vinyl was removed. I hosed it all down with Clorox. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:34 AM
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FYI: My oscillating tool is the Rockwell (Shop Series) model and it costs around $50.00 at Lowes. What brand of Oscillating tool do you all recommend?

Also, would anyone here use an Angle grinder with blade guard removed? I know it is dangerous but all cutting tools have risks. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:39 AM
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I wouldn't be use an angle grinder, because all it's going to do is smoke like crazy. I use the Ryobi Plus1 oscillating tool with the interchangeable heads. You can get tons of different attachments for it. Drills, jigsaw, sawzall, oscillating tool, impact drivers, right angle drill (handy). --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:42 AM
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NE,

What does your Ryobi Plus 1 tool costs? Sounds expensive with all of those options. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 4:49 AM
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Ryobi is the cheaper, maybe cheapest, line you can buy except Harbor Freight garbage.

If one breaks, I just replace it. I think the oscillating tool is $69. Plus it's cordless and the batteries work with all the other cordless tools which is the best part for me. I have tons of them and if I see a new one come out, I'll buy it.

The heads for the oscillating tool are compatible with Rigid heads. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:07 AM
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NE,

One final question before I leave here and go get dirty.

When the time comes for new plywood, how would you cut the hole for the 4 inch wide cast iron drain pipe? I have a 4.5 inch hole saw but my measurements have to be exact. Or I could use the jig-saw and just cut a square opening.

On top of the new plywood, there will be a sheet of 1/4 inch Luan which will cover the entire 4x6 sub-floor and that will need another 4.5 inch hole cut in it too. New sheet vinyl (loose lay) will go over the top of the Luan. (This is not my first rodeo). --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:20 AM
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Roy, I personally find that Fein's German made blades are the absolute best blades available for oscillating saws. The Bosh blades found in most big box & local hardware stores are also a decent blade. However I find that both of them even they are on sale are too expensive for most LL's use.

For those of you who don't have a zippy saw, I find the $20.00 single speed one from Harbor Freight works just fine. They routinely have them on sale for Less than $15.00. The HF blades that come with the saws are not very good. Other than the blades that come in the kit, I would never waste any money on buying any replacement HF blades.

I buy my zippy blades on line in 50 packs for $.75 - $1.50 a blade. The last ones I ordered were from Multiblades Direct. I find these are much better than the Harbor Freight blades & almost as good as the Fein & Bosch blades. Since most oscillating saws have slightly different blade holders, you need to be sure to tell them what brand of oscillating saw you have.

Now to the project on hand. I usually use a 2"-4" hole saw to carefully make a hole thru both the underlayment & subfloor. This allows me to locate the framing as well as wiring & piping. I use a circular saw to remove most of the flooring. This allows me to easily control the depth of my cut & get within 1 1/2" of the walls. To get the last 1 1/2" I use a sawzall in areas where I'm not too concerned about damaging the wall. In other areas like next to the tub, I use a piece of zinc (not aluminum) flashing to help protect the finished surface while I cut with a zippy saw. IMO it's better to spend a little more time making a controlled cut than to spend a lot more time replacing a damaged tub.

Of course if you were willing to invest in another tool you could get a flush cutting toe kick saw to do this.

--96.237.xx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:15 AM
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Steve (MA)

Describe your 'zippy saw',..I have never heard of it. With your zippy saw, does the cutting blade spin or oscillate or what? I have to google zippy saw.

Thanks for those great cutting tips. I still have the 1/4 round next to the tub and I will leave that in place when I get ready to cut close to the tub.

My 75 year old handyman just called and says that if it rains today, he will have to stop his roofing job and then he can come over and give me a hand. That is IF it rains today which is about 50/50.

This may not be my first rodeo but I sure hope it will be my last one. This is the type of work that RE guru's don't talk about in their No Money Down seminars. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:29 AM
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I recently did a similar repair to Roy's..

The wood next to the tub was saturated with water and a chisel was adequate to remove most wood within couple minutes.. I won't sweat the last quarter inch of the wood.. Nobody steps that close to it.. leave a small gap and fill some cement if you are perfectionist.

Btw, I like whole seats vinyl or mosaic/small tiles for bathroom floor.. --71.232.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:30 AM
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You could use a jigsaw. Start a hole with a paddle bit and follow your circle. Or buy a new hole bit. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 7:30 AM
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Roy, sorry about that, it's my term for an oscillating saw. Sort of like most people call a circular saw a skill saw. The first one I bought was a Fein brand that cost several hundred dollars for the saw & almost $30.00 for each blade. Now I'm just as happy using a $15.00 HF with a $1.00 blade from Multiblades Direct. --96.237.xx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 7:38 AM
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oscillating saw is so slow.. you can be there all day to cut a line of 5 feet.. I only use it if I have to do a plunge cut to fix some hardwood floor or mouldings.. --71.232.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 7:48 AM
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Roy,

Ditto Steve's suggestion for a toe-kick saw. Clean, flush cut right up to tub or wall. $69 at Harbor Freight. --107.141.xx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 8:28 AM
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Toe kick saw, aka flush cut saw is a new one for me. I think I need a new tool! That looks like a handy saw. And $1.00 blades from Multiblades Direct? Awesome!

Thanks for posting this Roy. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 8:39 AM
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Roy, I change my mind. Buy a flush cut saw. First time I ever heard of that is just now. I will be buying one. --174.201.xx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 8:45 AM
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For marking the hole for the toilet drain pipe, I use lipstick. I put a long, long strip of duct tape on the underside or the plywood, with ends sticking up to create handles for pulling the plywood back up. Then I slather generous amount of bright red lipstick around the edges of the toilet pipe (dollar stores have cheap lipstick. Brightest red is best. ) lower plywood in place, and stand on the plywood, rocking the board to catch all of that lipstick. Now, getting the plywood back up is when those duct tape handles come into play. Again, itís one lone continuous piece, going side to side, or end to end. If you try to save on duct tape and use smaller pieces, it can pull off.

Then the hole can be cut with jig saw. Sometimes takes two -three times of re-applying lipstick, fitting, and cutting. Especially when the flange ( is that the proper term?) has been chipped, and a repair ring has to be used.

Stores occasionally get trendy colors of lipstick that donít sell well, get marked way down too, blue would probably work. Soft shades, rust colored shades wouldnít show up well enough. I wish hardware stores would stock a single shade of bright red lipstick for marking cut-outs, and packets of red drink mix for testing toilets, lol! --70.92.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 10:47 AM
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Okay folks,..just spent 2 hours on my knees removing 1/2 of the top layer of 3/4 inch plywood. To my surprise, I have the original hardwood floors underneath and they are in good condition too!!! I will go back later and remove the remaining top layer of saturated plywood. Circular saw, saw-zaw and oscillating tool with half-moon blade is working wonders here. Plus, an old fashioned hammer and flat bar is doing most of the work once the cutting is done.

I will be cutting new plywood on Wednesday.

--68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 1:21 PM
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To cut the shape on the front of the tub, ( mine all are wider in center of tub, narrow ar both ends,) I use a compass , like we all used back in geometry class, to scribe the shape onto a brown paper bag. Cut off the extra paper, and once the pattern fits the tub exactly, I used that to mark the plywood.

And, be sure to think of where the seam in the plywood goes. I admit, I and not sure where the best spot is to join the two pieces of plywood, other than over a joist. I would love to hear from others on this. My floor space in my bathrooms is five X five, so there is at least a one foot smaller piece. Intuition tells me it might be better to have a two X five piece, and three X five piece of plywood, rather than a skinny one foot piece.

I have also gone underneath and either properly sistered a joist, or just added some extra perpendicular boards to get better fastening for subfloor. It stinks when ya finally got the curve of the tub and the drain waste opening all cut nicely, and now the edge of the plywood is too close to the edge of the joist to properly fasten. Hence, add to the underside. At least thatís what has worked for me. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 1:25 PM
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Oops! Better to have sixteen inches on center! Lol! One foot sure wouldnít work. Mustaí been a senior moment there. But, you get the point. Plan where the seams will be before you cut. ( you probably already realized that. Itís goofballs like me who need to be told that!) --172.58.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by CX [WA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 2:50 PM
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Oscillating saw does not take THAT long as some have said, especially with a GOOD, FRESH blade. (Most important). Other pros for the oscillating saw: Less dust (especially when cutting drywall), better control. Other cons: MUST wear hearing protection, very dependent on blade quality.

For the toilet flange cutout, I use the simple jigsaw with common wood blade. It is narrow enough to make the circle easily without veering off course. You can make a template out of cardboard shoved into the nearest corner and cut the flange cutout into the cardboard with a utility knife and then transfer that to the new subfloor sheet to mark the cutout.

What was leaking? Shutoff valve? Washer? Wax ring? --174.21.xx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 2:52 PM
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Doh! Smacks hand to forehead! I knew to make the template for the tub, but not for the toilet. Thanks CX! --172.58.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 3:35 PM
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CX,

The seal where the tank joins to the toilet bottom was leaking. My tenant put a coffee can under it and it quickly filled with water and over-flowed. This went on for months, I assume. Tenant was there for 8 months before he skipped out.

I will use your cardboard template idea to measure for the drain pipe hole. Thanks. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Best cutting tool ? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 5:32 PM
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Like any tool there two grades of power tools. One the cheap homeowners grade then the contractors grade. Have Fein multi master where second option would be a Makita or a least a power tool with enough current capacity as the smaller tools do not work well. A oscillating multi tool works best in tight situations where need to cut a small section or floor. If a nail is hit during the cut then the blade will damaged. If renovating bathrooms consider installing a water proof barrier like a Schluter ditra membrane as never know what is going to happen if there is water leak where the floor will not be damaged. There are videos on You Tube about multi tools or the Schluter ditra membrane. Consider viewing some videos on different products. Each power tool will work in different situations where a angle grinder for metal work. When doing any renovation always view videos on You Tube then decide which is the best approach. --147.194.xxx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:02 PM
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I am a licensed contractor with almost every saw (cutting tool) and every type of blades to fit them. If the floor has tile, I'd use a diamond saw (water cooled with a vacuum pick-up) to cut out the tile at the grout seam. Then I'd use the proper wood saw to cut out the sub floor, making sure I don't cut a Joist, wire or pipe.

Circular saws are dangerous for the novice. As the post above posted a oscillation saw works well but the blades get eaten up quickly.

You can buy a Rockwell 3-3/8" dry saw that comes with 3 blades. For wood, tile, cement and goods. They are around $100. Uses house current. You'll need to use a vacuum to pick up the dust when working with it. It won't cut too deep but it will work on tile and plywood. --47.156.xx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2019 6:41 PM
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I was surprised it took so long for someone to mention a toe kick saw. Technically it is a door jamb saw. Put a piece of masonite against the tub to protect it. Practice w/ the saw so you get the hang of it because that thing can really take off on you. It has 4 depth settings, so you never cut extra deep. It is the right tool for the job. Get it from HF. Plus you can turn it on it's side and use it to undercut door trim, etc. so your new ply and finish floor can tuck underneath, ffor a more finished look.

The little rockwell saw is an under powered disappointment.

--24.194.xx.xx




Best cutting tool ? (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2019 7:08 PM
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I was in Walmart 2 days ago and noticed in their tool dept, they sell a multi-pack of oscillating blades (like 5 blades in one package) for about $8.50. I bought a pack and used them for this flooring project. They are good blades too! Can't beat the price considering what Lowes sells them for.

And while you are in Walmart, slide over to the Deli and get some Amish macaroni salad which is really delicious.

Those Amish really know how to make some tasty food. --68.63.xxx.xxx



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