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Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 6:23 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 6:48 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 6:54 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 6:56 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [NC]) Mar 25, 2019 7:04 AM
       Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:09 AM
       Don't want to work (by S i d [MO]) Mar 25, 2019 7:09 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:12 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:13 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:13 AM
       Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:13 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:14 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:15 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:17 AM
       Don't want to work (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 25, 2019 7:18 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:18 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:20 AM
       Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:22 AM
       Don't want to work (by DJ [VA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:24 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 7:25 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:27 AM
       Don't want to work (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 25, 2019 8:21 AM
       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 8:23 AM
       Don't want to work (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 25, 2019 8:49 AM
       Don't want to work (by RichE [IL]) Mar 25, 2019 9:00 AM
       Don't want to work (by melinda [MD]) Mar 25, 2019 9:03 AM
       Don't want to work (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 25, 2019 9:08 AM
       Don't want to work (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 25, 2019 9:22 AM
       Don't want to work (by Vee [OH]) Mar 25, 2019 9:24 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 9:29 AM
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       Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 9:51 AM
       Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Mar 25, 2019 9:57 AM
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Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 6:23 AM
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I was getting my oil changed a few days ago and struck up a conversation with a guy. He explained that his son was in the mold remediation business and how hard it was to find good employees.. The Jiffy Lube guy overheard us and chipped in that they're constantly churning through employees and that they will constantly get people who set up interviews and don't even bother to show up. Many of these employers are playing the same numbers games LL's are. Over the past week, I've fielded at least 60 inquiries that have yielded 3 showings with two of those being decent.

--209.122.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 6:48 AM
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The last two vacancies I had, I was at 180+ before I got a qualified applicant. The current one I'm over 200. That's a half a percent of the people interested in the unit are qualified for unit. And these are mid $500 a month units! How many people are out there that cannot qualify for a $500 a month unit? It's sad --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 6:54 AM
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I think the bigger question is why? It's really bad with my generation and younger, I'm part of the millennial group. My dad's generation and my grandfather's generation would be embarrassed to be like this. People are just lazy. They have no work ethic. They're not taught work ethic in school. They're not giving an entrepreneurial spirit in school. And it's getting worse.

But the same group of people can tell you every football stat and every show on television and their favorite Super Bowl commercial all while showing you their new tattoos. It's ridiculous.

In between puffs on their $300 vapor kit. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 6:56 AM
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The simple answer is that the mold remediation guy and the jiffy lube guy are not paying enough. That is how supply and demand works. If they paid $100k a year , I bet they'd be fully staffed. So all they have to do is increase what they pay until they are satisfied with quality and turnover --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [NC]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:04 AM
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I thought it was just me. I have a really nice 3/2 Ranch and I have had lots of interest via Zillow/Trulia/Hotpads. I respond promptly asking them if they want to see it and then crickets! I'm at 42 inquiries, 14 showings, 3 actual applications, all of which were incomplete or didn't meet the criteria of 3x rent.

I have dropped the rental price $50. Hope that stimulates some better activity.

I really thought this one would rent fast. --71.217.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:09 AM
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"But the same group of people can tell you every football stat and every show on television and their favorite Super Bowl commercial all while showing you their new tattoos. It's ridiculous.

In between puffs on their $300 vapor kit"

That's the issue in a nutshell. I think the media and what's promoted in the media have out sized effects on expectations and behaviors. People expect easily obtained glamour, fame and money without work and that spills over into the real world. Few are willing to put in the time and effort. This is a huge problem in the country. Absolutely huge and mostly unspoken about. --209.122.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:09 AM
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David's answer is only halfway correct. Yes, you could staff any job at $100K most likely, but for businesses to pay $100K a year, they would have to be making sufficient profit to handle that. I would guess that Jiffy Lube and mold remediators aren't making enough profits to pay their employees 6-figure salaries.

I am fairly confident of this, since my wife has a friend who does hazmat clean up after storms like coastal hurricanes. They not only do mold, but also asbestos, medical supplies/waste, chemicals, lead paint, etc. The business OWNER makes low 6 figures, but he's also got all the capital risk, he puts in 60 hour weeks, and it took him 5+ years of making $20K or so to build up to that level.

Unless consumers want to pay $150-$200 for oil changes and $10,000 to remove a spot of mold, I wouldn't hold my breath on the magic money tree dumping enough profits to justify paying a guy $100K to change oil....a very low skill, simple job.

The root of the problem is welfare is too generous in our country. We have subsidized unemployment to the point where many folks can survive at a basic level by without doing anything. So that's what they choose to do. If we were to cut welfare by around 70%--offering only to those truly unable to work--that would solve the issue. --173.20.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:12 AM
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"but for businesses to pay $100K a year, they would have to be making sufficient profit to handle that."

Most business models fail because their costs exceed their revenues. And even if it is initially profitable, things change all the time, just ask radio shack, sears, toys r us, etc etc etc.

So either jiffy lube and mold remediation adapt or they will also head the same way.

as for welfare, we don't have welfare , not for able bodied adults. --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:13 AM
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Haha David. Nonsense. The Jiffy Lube guy and the mold remediation guy can only charge the customer so much. If they charge their customers more, the customer is going to go somewhere else. By default, they can only afford so much in labor.

Are you going to pay $39.95 for an oil change at Jiffy Lube to the guy who pays his helpers $12 an hour? Or are you going to go somewhere that charges $300 for an oil change so he can have better help and pay them 100,000 a year? --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:13 AM
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and blockbuster. Who could forget blockbuster. bless their heart! --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:13 AM
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"The simple answer is that the mold remediation guy and the jiffy lube guy are not paying enough. That is how supply and demand works. If they paid $100k a year , I bet they'd be fully staffed. So all they have to do is increase what they pay until they are satisfied with quality and turnover"

It's more than that. Mold guy's father said the son often has calls and his employees don't want to go because "the weather is bad" or "I don't feel like it". --209.122.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:14 AM
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NE, that is the magic of the invisible. The customer will end up at whatever business can make the costs and revenue work.

The very fact that they are having trouble filling the positions is prima facie evidence that they are not paying enough. I use 100k as a number to make a point, I don't claim that is what they need to pay. --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:15 AM
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GKARL, that is how at-will employment works. If employees don't want to show up, the boss can fire them . You will have to pay them more so that you can hire better employees --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:17 AM
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David, you're as bad a son Moshe sometimes with this mumbo jumbo. Sure sounds good, but it isnt practical. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:18 AM
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{{{{{........If they paid $100k a year , I bet they'd be fully staffed......}}}}}}

I don't think that is it. My son earns $125,000 a year, and the requirements for the job are not that difficult or expensive to meet. His firm can't get good employees and has had to hire idiots who break things by stupidity. They always have job openings and they pay a bounty for new employees. How much more than $125,000 does it take to get an American to get up off the sofa and go to work?

My $65 an hour handyman won't show up. How much does it take to get a handyman to work? If people won't work for $65 an hour, how are they supporting their families?

Actually, my son just got a $500 a month raise, so he is now making more than $125,000 a year, but that isn't entry level money. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:18 AM
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NE, this "mumbo jumbo" is the invisible hand of the free market. If you have a beef, your beef is not with me but with free market capitalism. --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:20 AM
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"How much more than $125,000 does it take to get an American to get up off the sofa and go to work?"

It takes exactly how much it takes. I'm not sure why supply and demand is that difficult a concept. --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:22 AM
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"that is how at-will employment works. If employees don't want to show up, the boss can fire them . You will have to pay them more so that you can hire better employees"

David, employers have it worst than LL's. You may want to fire the guy, but you need him and the replacement prospects are worst. --209.122.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:24 AM
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There is a generation - or two - now in the "work" force who absolutely do NOT want to work. They just want a paycheck.

I've had this same conversation locally, with many people, from many different backgrounds. They all seem to agree that the problem is lack of discipline / a good example in the home. So many refuse to take personal responsibility for anything they do - from poor customer service up to absent parents.

The parents who are present in their lives make things too easy for them - as do the public schools (dumbing down curriculum)and sports teams(no competition / everyone's a winner).

Throw in a lack of religious moral compass, ridicule those that have one, and promote "do whatever pleases YOU". It's a disaster that runs very deep in our society, with no easy fix.

--68.10.xxx.x




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:25 AM
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Free market capitalism and a complete lack of work ethic are two totally different things. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:27 AM
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NE, indeed they are. But thats the magic of the invisible hand. It automatically takes into account "work ethic" mumbo jumbo when pricing widgets and labor --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 8:21 AM
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There are a number of factors at play. First, the economy has picked up and those that want to work do not have any trouble finding a descent paying job. The low-end employers like Wally world have gone from $8 to $10 to now $11-12 per hour to find descent help.

Second, there is a general lack of motivation from a larger portion of society. Fifty years ago almost no one wanted a handout, it was embarrassing to admit that you needed welfare, and those that found themselves at time on it worked hard to get off of it and the community helped through encouragement and jobs. Now it is 180 away from that, there's a whole sub-society that expects to receive the handouts, privileged feels responsible for "under-privileged" and instead of helping them up they simply throw them scraps. Statistics that show the increase in the percentage of population taking government hand-outs (housing assistance, free phones, food assistance, disability, the list goes on) has grown astronomically.

Third, there is a whole socialist movement now growing that doesn't believe in free market principles. Everyone should have everything they want without the toil and struggle to get there. The only way to do this is to redistribute wealth and we know what happens when you entrust responsibility for wealth into someones hands that hasn't been trained through hard knocks. This leads beyond the hand-out thinking into socialism which ultimately will have the same outcome as every other nation that has gone down that road over the last 100 years, we will be turned into a 3rd world economy.

--50.26.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 8:23 AM
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MikeA, that's funny, the three Nordic "socialist" countries have the top three highest happiest indices. --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 8:49 AM
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Happiness has nothing to do with financial health.

Just a matter of time. Finland is nearing financial disaster. In fact if you are of open mind, do a interweb search for "Finnish government collapse" that publicized within the last couple of weeks. They can not support the financial burden of the services the people want to remain happy. --50.26.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by RichE [IL]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:00 AM
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I wonder which factor contributes most to Nordic happiness:

socialism or homogeneity. --67.186.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:03 AM
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My tenant, a 55 year old lady, works at Five Below (like a Dollar store). She just commented to me that these young kids have no work ethic. I believe her. For some reason the younger ones think that they are worth more than $10 hour. Not sure what the solution is. --24.233.xxx.xx




Don't want to work (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:08 AM
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GKARL, thank you for sharing.

NE, They also can tell you every restaurant and location.

David(MI), that is a good point and would have to agree. Here were I am no employer wants to pay. On the other hand people today are lazy and unreliable.

Sid, very good point on welfare, I would have to agree there to. A lot of people lie and take advantage of the system and need to be caught and put on the work force in prison. I think they should have to be drug tested like employees. I bet that would stop a lot of it.

MikeA, It has also been realized that Walmart and others have cut hours as a result and thus people are actually making less then they were. According to social media anyway. I agree the hand outs are crazy. Your third point sounds like government officials that can't manage money.

--73.120.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:22 AM
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6X6. Why would you cut hours to a good employee when you have more work than you can find good employees for? I should say, cut hours below 39 so they don't qualify as full-time. Let me give you a hint, low end employers rarely fire marginal workers (opens the door to legal cases) so they simply cut hours until they quit.

That said, I do agree with your assumption. One of the problems is the "full-time" status and the benefits that go wit it. Those regulations actually incentivise employers to cut hours to less than 40 per week which then keeps pay low. --50.26.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:24 AM
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Our family has been in the rent business since the 30's and lucky to have started and stayed near college campus areas where my ancestors taught and worked so I guess it has been ingrained to my dna. I don't have a continuous formal education like lots of those tenants end up with so I am not sure where they are headed or where they end up, but I am the guy who has educated himself in a few hydraulics and mechanical specialties that keep people seeking my skills. I have a hard time finding helpers who can stay focused on the project long enough to absorb what the big picture is - a working steam boiler or a dual frequency power plant, the same trickle effect with replacing a waste line stack completely and fishing in supply lines also. Then running electric cable without tearing open the skin of the cable or your fingers, hands and arms. The detail skills have been lost for more than a whole generation, when I was a freshman in high school our graphic arts class printed 3 local newspapers, sophomore set type for business cards, junior built molds and made our own motorcycle pistons but the best part of that year was making gunpowder to launch our hand built rockets. I lost focus on my senior year with some girl hauling me away to kiss me behind the library then my studies began to stagger but I still wrote several multi level games to play on the mainframe computer that cost 60bux an hour to have access to. That girl chiseled away my computer fund with movies, amusement park adventures to Cedar Point and even went fishing with me until she got her own job.

--76.188.xxx.x




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:29 AM
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David, loan me some money so I can pay top dollar. I'll give you a solid 3% return. Someday. Maybe. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:43 AM
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There are so many people that won't get off the couch no matter what you pay them. I think those are the ones GKarl is referring to mainly. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by CGB [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:47 AM
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Now for some sarcasm: Maybe employers should petition local governments for "wage control" similar to "rent control" to help curb these "greedy" employees for using the free market. --107.130.xxx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:50 AM
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NE, why would I loan you loan at 3% when I can get that on my FICO savings accounts? Hint: the answer is in my answer.

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There are so many people that won't get off the couch no matter what you pay them. " I bet if you pay them $1mm they'll get off the couch. Heck, they get off the couch just to buy a lotto ticket for the chance to win $1mm --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:51 AM
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clearly that should be FDIC, doh --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:57 AM
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There's part of the problem too. Motivation to buy a lotto ticket for instant (fake) wealth, but no drive for what it really takes.

Take that same million and promise it to them at the end of 30 years of showing up on time, doing a good job, staying sober and not being a general scumbag overall and they'll stay right on the couch and blame people like you and me and the government for their misfortune..

Do we want to pay more just to motivate someone or do we want to hire people with that natural motivation and help them learn and grow?

Gods and Clods like they say in Southpark. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 9:59 AM
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NE, you can go on about motivation, staying sober, misfortune mumbo jumbo, but at the end of the day, it is the invisible hand that determines market pay. I imagine the employers complaining are feeling the sting of its backhand --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 10:05 AM
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To be clear, the only motivation the invisible hand cares about is $$$$$$ --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 10:07 AM
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David, it's everywhere. It's in all sorts of professions. This invisible hand mumbo-jumbo has it's limits too. People can only do so much. People think they're worth more than they actually are. --174.201.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 10:19 AM
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David, your posts are very amusing.

When you have spotlight politicians like B. Sanders and AOC (not to mention most of the teachers and college professors) out there telling young people that they should expect to get education, healthcare, food, marijuana and other drugs, and housing for free and that they are all basic human rights then you have created just the type of younger generations as you would and should expect.

The lazier the younger generation gets the more reliant they become on government handouts and the stronger the Socialist/liberal party becomes. It's a self-perpetuating and self-fulfilling societal dive into the underbelly of the one and only political party that can provide for those who don't want anyone else to have anything they can't have. They also believe that if anyone has more then that person should have it taken from them and redistributed.

Everyone better wake up soon. And if you have children or grandchildren teach them why this is such a dangerous and slippery slope. So sad how far we've fallen in the last generation. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 11:07 AM
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The min wage for full time work in the province of Ontario is $14 per hour where many of coffee shops, fast food restaurants ,stores are constantly looking for help. When the Liberals came into power they closed down the welfare cheat hot line then lifted the lifetime ban on welfare cheats where a few months later some business closed down as they quit then went on welfare. What would happen in a town where no one showed up for work. The coffee shop, restaurants, supermarket would be closed. No public transit. Welfare was meant to be a temporary help not a way of life. As never having military conscription where someone did not return from overseas the families did not suffer. Universal medical care can not be funded if half the population does not work. Running a rental complex requires constant work to maintain where things wear out or renovations are required. Down on the main street there is store operated by the church that supplies free cooked meals where most of them look they are able to work. --147.194.xxx.xx




Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 11:17 AM
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I think this issue is related more to acculturation and has nothing to do with socialism or one politics per se. Outside of a small group of people, the average American can't even identify half of the states in the union on a map, let alone get into the tenets of socialism, capitalism or any other economic or political system. Most of this has been reduced to jargon and soundbites to explain a phenomenon that is far more complex and far more threatening to the country than is generally acknowledged.

You can tell where a society is at by what's popular. You can determine the desires of the people from what's in the media. To me the central question is what is in the media and why?

Unless I'm in someone's waiting room, I watch no TV and I'm very selective about what I take in on the internet. The most popular things are sports and entertainment. These things are larger than life and the shows themselves along with the commercials tend to promote rampant hedonism and mindless consumption. The folks who promote this stuff don't think that way, however, they're able to very effectively sell products that way. Consumption rather than work is what's promoted. Is it any wonder that people expect to get stuff without work?

The whole idea of "getting stuff" is problematic in itself. That thought pattern gives rise to the idea that one doesn't need to rise out of bed once they get a paycheck because they had enough to "get stuff" on payday so they'll only work again when they need more stuff. The stuff is generally a bunch of crap that has no worth once it leaves the store. A lifetime of this type of thinking leaves many folks running in place. The choices of casual relationships, having kids when you're not ready, doing something stupid like taking your boyfriend's car without permission and then getting felony charges behind that nonsense is also goes along with all of this. All of that means getting 100 inquiries for 1 decent tenant or people who don't want to get out of bed even if they're getting paid.

The other day, I was thinking about why does someone rob or steal stuff ? It's really something to think about. Rarely does someone rob or steal for a necessity like food---most people work for that. No, people rob and steal for "stuff"; stuff that's absolutely worthless and only has perceived worth because it's been promoted. Basically, lives are taken or ruined for "stuff".

There's rampant irresponsibility at all levels of society and there's been a complete failure of leadership at all levels beginning in the home up to and including our business and political leaders. Leadership is important because that's where people get their cues. No one is exempt. --64.121.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 11:43 AM
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Amen GKARL. The problem and solution is way more complicated than a simple pay raise.

Get a pay raise = buy more expensive garbage you don't need.

The problem persists.

My wife wonder why I don't go out much and don't have many friends. Not much to see out there. Don't want to set myself up for disappointment.

Luckily I've made friends with other like minded people. --174.201.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 12:00 PM
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"This invisible hand mumbo-jumbo has it's limits too. People can only do so much. People think they're worth more than they actually are." Let me write this down .... --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by Robert Phaedra [NY]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 12:03 PM
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Nobody understands start small and work for big. I started working at age 19 for $11,000 a year. I still work for the same employer, 35 years later. I will be retiring from my day job in about four years.

Nobody sticks around with the same job anymore. My husband has been laid off more times than I can count. Business downturns, downsizing, or downright going out of business. He never has trouble finding employment, but is always starting out again at the bottom of the pay scale. The only way to gain more money in the industries he works is through incremental raises through longevity. --161.11.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 12:50 PM
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Over the past few years, there's been a lot of talk about China's unfair trade practices and etc. I believe that's a complete red herring. The "threat" from China (or anyone else for that matter) falls along a few basic lines:

1) Intact families

2) Work

3) Thrift

On the last point, the Chinese save upwards to 25% of their income compared with .5% (1/2 of 1%) for Americans. For those who critique socialism, let's note that China has what's characterized as a socialist market economy that is poised to over take the US. When one compares the relative saving rates measures alone, it becomes clear the reason we have to import capital from them to fund this nation's profligate spending. China holds about 30% of US outstanding debt as they recycle excess dollars from trade deficits into US markets. That happy state of affairs will not persist, that much is clear, particularly as the needs for internal investment grow in

China.

If we look at this from a big picture standpoint, beyond our issues as landlords, employers, conservatives, liberals or whatever, it's also clear that a massive comedown is in the offing for our country but no one talks about the problem, let alone takes a deep dive on policy solutions.

What would it mean for me as a LL if Americans were more like the Chinese in terms of values? (BTW, this is not unfamiliar with folks as Americans were like this generations ago). I'd have far better tenant choices. Employers would have better employees. National productivity would rise. Folks with "stuff" to ply would be hurting though. Mind you, I have no policy prescriptions to offer here but one has to recognize how big of the problem this is beyond landlording, partisan blaming/infighting and etc. This is an issue of changing the culture. This is also an issue of recognizing the complete failure of those who lead us at all levels.

--64.121.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 1:01 PM
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" I'd have far better tenant choices." GKARL, yeah but you'd be complaining about how greasy the kitchen --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 1:07 PM
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Well said GKarl. --23.121.xx.xxx




Don't want to work (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 2:15 PM
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{{{{...... it is the invisible hand that determines market pay. ....}}}}}

Yes, the invisible hand writes and moves on (to combine two quotes) and when it moves on, it moves the jobs with it, to China and other countries where the population is willing to work. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 2:43 PM
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If welfare were cut drastically then people would get hungry and go to work and yes at least in my area they give welfare to able bodies adults --72.231.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 26, 2019 5:28 AM
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"when it moves on, it moves the jobs with it, to China " I would like to know how mold remediation jobs and jiffy lube jobs move to china?

"yes at least in my area they give welfare to able bodies adults" fake news --144.250.xx.xx




Don't want to work (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 26, 2019 6:51 AM
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David,my neighbor works in the food stamp dept at my county,she tells me the policy is just give them out when people ask so the county doesn't get sued,rediculous that the county could get sued for not giving away free stuff.The number of people receiving SSI and SSD that don't deserve it is ridiculous,the welfare office will give at least 1 months rent to anyone in the process of being evicted so maybe we are the free stuff capital of the country and that is why our taxes are so high --72.231.xxx.xxx




Don't want to work (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Mar 26, 2019 8:07 AM
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David, when signing the lease with my very first tenant, I added the daughter on the lease because she was 18, in her senior year of high school. Daughter was going outside to talk on the phone, but I was new and stupid. Should have decline that tenant group right there, if someone on the lease could not pay attention while we went over the lease.

A few months after high school graduation, daughter moved out to her own place. I didnít take the daughter off the lease though, Tenancy went bad, I ended up giving Notice to Vacate. Mom was very concerned, careful to not let things get to eviction, as her daughter was still on the lease, Mom didnít want daughter to end up with eviction ( mom didnít have any evictions either, but was most concerned about daughter. )

Mom said daughter had a hard enough time finding a place to rent because she (daughter) was on full disability because she is deaf IN ONE EAR!!!! Daughter was not working, was getting FULL benefits! And yet, she talks on the cellphone all the time. By my way of thinking, daughter would be uniquely suited to work any of the phone jobs where a headset is worn on one ear. Wouldnít have any interference noises coming in the other ear. She could be a 911 operator, or ??? She certainly could do oil changes or mold remediation. (Daughter always kept the home spotless when she lived there.) Most jobs donít require hearing in both ears. I know a young man who is deaf in one ear, heís a registered nurse at a menís prison.

Most persons who get disability benefits, or other benefits DO have the need for those benefits, but there I are so many who should NOT qualify, like this young woman. To my mind, the biggest disability she has is the one that says take the easy way out. Sheíll never know the feeling of getting a promotion, of owning a home, of achieving career if she doesnít step off the dependency train. Sad.

Work is so important to our identities, our sense of self. I am all for giving some support at times, but, unless someone is severely disabled, the goal should always be to end the support, and the sooner the better.

I know a woman in her forties, has severe cerebral palsy, cannot walk, cannot self-care. Her mother and motherís friends, all avid knitters and sewers ( persons who sew) began selling things at craft fairs, farmerís markets. The daughter handles all of the sales. She can do the math, handle the cash, can speak, though her speech is a bit garbled, and she moves very slowly. This group of women know they get sympathy sales because of the womanís disability ( but, I have seen their work, they are very fine craftspersons too.) MOST important is the pride the daughter has in working. The group reports everything properly on taxes, daughter sits down with the tax preparer. Mom said her daughter wanted to frame that first yearís tax return, she was so proud! The daughter never thought sheíd be able to say she has so much as a job, much less a small business with partners. Sure, itís not enough money to live off of, barely is enough profit to take it from hobby into business. Not anywhere near the level of reducing her social security benefit. But, it is so important to this womanís sense of self-worth. She gets to go to work just like everyone else. That is gold! --70.92.xxx.xxx



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