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EVSE (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 24, 2019 2:16 PM
       EVSE (by David [MI]) Mar 24, 2019 2:21 PM
       EVSE (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Mar 24, 2019 3:34 PM
       EVSE (by plenty [MO]) Mar 24, 2019 3:37 PM
       EVSE (by Vee [OH]) Mar 24, 2019 3:42 PM
       EVSE (by David [MI]) Mar 24, 2019 4:50 PM
       EVSE (by Dave [MO]) Mar 24, 2019 6:33 PM
       EVSE (by small potatoes [NY]) Mar 24, 2019 6:36 PM
       EVSE (by JB [OR]) Mar 24, 2019 9:42 PM
       EVSE (by Salernitana [CA]) Mar 24, 2019 10:22 PM
       EVSE (by S i d [MO]) Mar 25, 2019 5:02 AM
       EVSE (by S i d [MO]) Mar 25, 2019 5:05 AM
       EVSE (by LindaJ [NY]) Mar 25, 2019 5:18 AM
       EVSE (by John... [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 7:55 AM
       EVSE (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 25, 2019 8:30 AM
       EVSE (by David [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 8:40 AM
       EVSE (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Mar 25, 2019 11:16 AM
       EVSE (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 25, 2019 11:53 AM
       EVSE (by John... [MI]) Mar 25, 2019 2:23 PM

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EVSE (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 2:16 PM

When my current tenants filled out an application in January, the male applicant asked me about him installing an EVSE(electric vehicle supply equipment)because he has a hybrid car. I asked him about it and then thought about it, real quick, and told him that I would work with him on that but I would help with the install and after he would have to have an electrician inspect. I also told him that he would be responsible for all cost and when he moved it would stay with the house because it would become a fixture to the house. He agreed.

He texted me this Friday for a Saturday install and so we installed it on Saturday. He is very pleased and thanked me several times for working with him on that and for helping him install the unit. I am very happy because it adds value to my house and will give me something else to market next time I advertise to rent.

I also thought this would be a good way for him to fill like this was home to him and would give him more reason to stay longer. He also may not have been able to do this somewhere else.?.

Any thoughts on this?

Do any of you have car charging stations?

I figure probably those of you in California do.

Thank you for your thoughts.


EVSE (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 2:21 PM

absolutely not. I have not had a single applicant ask about EV charging. The current state of EV is unproven and unestablished. Unless the tenant wants to pay the full cost of having my electrician install it , they are not getting one. --50.4.xxx.x

EVSE (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 3:34 PM

Yes, definitely. It's a selling point. You don't have to pay for the charger, just the 220 outlet. Chargepoint has a charger that has a plug. The tenant can buy the charger and plug it in him/herself. The box secures to the wall by 3 or 4 screws.

Chargepoint has the exact wiring specs (220, gauge wire, circuit breaker, etc.) Run a new circuit from the panel. Make the gauge wire thicker to cover future needs. Put the outlet near the vehicle on wall, not ceiling. We found ours works best by the garage door. Just make sure you recommend they buy the longest charging cable possible. I also recommend that you attach a bracket or two to the cord near the bottom of the wall where the charger is mounted on, and leave some slack in the cable. This will act as a stress relief preventing the user from putting stress on the connections. That's not mentioned in the manual, but from personal experience. They have to set it up via WiFi though.

We have a EV car and it only uses $50 worth of electricity per month. The same driver used $500/mo in a 14mpg SUV.

The reason I recommend it, is that you can advertise EV Level2 charger ready garage. And if they leave the charger, then it's an EV ready garage. That's something you can market to make your building unique. Best of all, it's a perk that appeals to the type of people that can pay rent.

Now, for the bad. There have been a few instances of damaged batteries catching fire after a wreck. So, to cover yourself, I'd be sure to place a smoke detector immediately above the vehicle that is easily audible from inside house. --108.69.xxx.xxx

EVSE (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 3:37 PM

Something you may should have a third party do. To limit liability. But yes its a great renting feature! The next wave of added value! --99.203.xx.xxx

EVSE (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 3:42 PM

The only comment I can add is having a county/city inspector give her/his blessing, this will help if it moves out with the car owner, or if something happens to the car you are much closer to being in the clear.


EVSE (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 4:50 PM

Ha! If the tenant wants a 220V outlet in the detached garage, they will have to pay the $$$$ for the electrician to run underground conduit ! ha ha ha --50.4.xxx.x

EVSE (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 6:33 PM

Looks like a win -win to me. Iím in truck and suv country. Local utility company has a charging station but I think itís for company cars only. --173.216.xxx.xxx

EVSE (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 6:36 PM

In my lease the charger would be something that becomes a permanent fixture and stays w/ the property. Are you and the teni on the same page? and is code compliance an issue? Your insurance will not pay out if they determine a new line was run w/out proper approval. --24.194.xx.xx

EVSE (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 9:42 PM

That doesn't sound like a "hybrid car." It is simply and EV. I'm not aware of any hybrids that need to plug in. Someone can feel free to correct me if they know something different.

As for adding value, yes, you can advertise it as a plus. But in your area, if it EV's are not common it may never come into play. --24.20.xxx.xxx

EVSE (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2019 10:22 PM

Wow, it sounds like your tenant is rather practical and responsible. I'd think that an EV charging station in your place would definitely make it up-to-date and appealing to educated and/or forward-thinking hipsters? I vaguely remember that you mentioned that your place is near a university, and the EV just might be a great selling point for your place in the future. Best of luck and please share any pro or con stories about it as they happen. --73.93.xx.xx

EVSE (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 5:02 AM

Wait....HE wants to run a 220V line himself and then have an electrician inspect it?

No. Period. End of story. I don't let tenants paint, much less wire voltage strong enough to fry themselves. If he wants to play the happy electric handyman, let him buy his own house and burn it down when he decides to go cheap and buys 14-gauge wire and uses a 50 amp breaker.

He can pay the full cost of a licensed, insured, and bonded electrician to pull a permit. All maintenance to that circuit is on his dime. This will all be spelled out in the lease. --173.20.xxx.xxx

EVSE (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 5:05 AM

Guess I can't read this morning....the deed is already done and you helped him. I wouldn't have done this: you're on the hook now if something goes wrong and damages his car or the house. X-ing fingers. --173.20.xxx.xxx

EVSE (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 5:18 AM

That is one you have the tenant pay for the professional to install. Yes, at no cost to you, you get something for the next tenant which is nice. But when a tenant wants something, they pay for the professional of my choosing. I am not going to take time to help them get it. --108.4.xxx.xx

EVSE (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 7:55 AM

What Sid said. Would I have allowed this to be installed by a pro? Yes, absolutely. The tenant would have to cover the costs in full and it would then need to be left after they were gone, but I would have allowed it no problem.

Would I have allowed the tenant to do ANY of the work themselves? Absolutely not. Licensed electrician only. Tenant would be welcome to get multiple quotes from them and even pick the one that they prefer -- but then I get to look it over and get final approval before and after the work is done.

Letting a tenant do any real work themselves is a bad idea. Letting them do ELECTRICAL work themselves is insane.

- John...


EVSE (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 8:30 AM

Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions.

This is a waterproof unit that is mounted on the outside of the house at the driveway. The tenant paid for everything. It only took about 2 hours of my time and I helped and watched everything. It will get final inspection by an electrician. We are on the same page that the unit is a permanent fixture that remains with the house. The manufacture recommended wire is 10g 3w and we installed 8g 4w run in waterproof outdoor conduit w/waterproof connectors and is hard wired into the circuit panel that is 2ft away. This house is near a university, in fact one of the tenants is a college grad there.

JB, the car is a Chevrolet Volt which is essentially an electric vehicle but has a small gas engine back-up for extended ranges.

Next time I have this opportunity I will make it to were the actual install is done by my electrician, but I helped and watched this time and have no worries with it.


EVSE (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 8:40 AM

The only electrical work I trust a tenant to do is changing a light bulb ... --144.250.xx.xx

EVSE (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 11:16 AM

Nice job, you have a feature that you can advertise for the next vacancy. --108.69.xxx.xxx

EVSE (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 11:53 AM

Landlord ofthe Flies, Thank you. I am trying to think ahead and figure out how I should advertise in the future and whether I should remove the unit and offer as an option or leave the unit in place, since it is hardwired, and just have higher rent. I think it will probably be less likely a need for most tenants. Any thoughts on that? --73.120.xx.xxx

EVSE (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 25, 2019 2:23 PM

So, do you tell the inspector who did it? I'm surprised that an inspector would allow a tenant to do it and approve it. In my area, the idea is that you can do it yourself for your own property and then get it inspected and approved if you did it right. But you can't have anyone else do it for you unless they are licensed -- and you can't do it for anyone else unless you are licensed.

In other words, in my area, if the inspector found out that a tenant did the electrical work on a rental property, they would very likely force us to rip it out -- regardless of if it was done correctly or not.

This may vary by state/area, of course.

- John...


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