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Oregon Mandatory RC (by Deanna [TX]) Feb 21, 2019 9:39 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Feb 21, 2019 9:50 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Feb 21, 2019 10:06 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by WL [CA]) Feb 21, 2019 11:11 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Feb 21, 2019 12:04 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Feb 21, 2019 12:11 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Moshe [CA]) Feb 21, 2019 12:15 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Moshe [CA]) Feb 21, 2019 12:21 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by NE [PA]) Feb 21, 2019 12:36 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Feb 21, 2019 2:17 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 21, 2019 2:27 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Sandy [CO]) Feb 21, 2019 4:23 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Salernitana [CA]) Feb 21, 2019 4:59 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Feb 21, 2019 6:58 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Moshe [CA]) Feb 21, 2019 7:16 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Feb 21, 2019 9:11 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Feb 22, 2019 5:43 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Feb 22, 2019 5:45 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by fred [CA]) Feb 22, 2019 6:27 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Feb 22, 2019 6:29 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Feb 22, 2019 7:56 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Feb 22, 2019 8:42 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Feb 22, 2019 9:35 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Jose [CA]) Feb 22, 2019 9:39 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Feb 22, 2019 10:09 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Feb 22, 2019 10:38 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Salernitana [CA]) Feb 22, 2019 10:52 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Feb 22, 2019 12:13 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by mike [CA]) Feb 22, 2019 2:21 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Feb 22, 2019 6:27 PM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Sandy [CO]) Feb 23, 2019 4:59 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Feb 23, 2019 9:59 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Feb 23, 2019 10:02 AM
       Oregon Mandatory RC (by Sandy [CO]) Feb 23, 2019 2:01 PM


Oregon Mandatory RC (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 9:39 AM
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From the AP-- Oregon set to become 1st state with mandatory rent controls

It starts off--

" Faced with a housing shortage and skyrocketing rents, Oregon is poised to become the first state to impose mandatory rent controls, with a measure establishing tenant protections moving swiftly through the Legislature.

"Many residents have testified in favor of the legislation, describing anxiety and hardship as they face higher rents. Some have gone up by as much as almost 100 percent — forcing people to move, stay with friends or even live in their vehicles.

"The town of Medford recently authorized churches to offer car camping for the homeless on their parking lots. Cities across the West Coast are struggling with soaring housing prices and a growing homelessness problem.

"A House committee on Wednesday backed the measure, sending it to the full chamber for a vote as soon as next week. The Senate passed it last week."

And other highlights include--

"Oregon’s measure prohibits landlords from terminating month-to-month leases without cause after 12 months of occupancy and limits rent hikes to once per year. Those increases are limited to 7 percent above the annual change in the consumer price index.

"Landlords can terminate tenancies only with 90 days’ written notice and payment of one month’s rent, with exemptions in some cases. A landlord can refuse to renew a fixed-term lease if the tenant receives three lease violation warnings within 12 months and the landlord gives 90 days’ notice." --166.137.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 9:50 AM
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And to think we were once considering moving to Ashland, OR. The state is turning into the peoples republic to the south. Sad. Losing their gun rights there too. --47.216.xx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 10:06 AM
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CPI is 2-3% so 7 points above that is 9-10%. Who here is getting 9-10% year on year rent increases? --199.247.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 11:11 AM
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Kiss any new apartments goodbye. Who would be crazy enough to build new apartments under rent control? --201.140.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 12:04 PM
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Government and charities will have to provide the housing units. Landlords raised rents as much a 100% year over year because the costs went up by that and more. Nearly impossible to evict a house-beater, from one former landlord I know. Reportedly, many properties for sale, just sitting empty, as no one wants the hassle.

I heard there was talk of a law forcing anyone who owned an unoccupied unit to rent it. Whether the owner wanted to or not. Socialism. --172.58.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 12:11 PM
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raising rent by 100% year over year is doubling the rent every year . We know what happened to the king that paid the inventor of chess in grains of rice that doubled every square on the chessboard --199.247.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 12:15 PM
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Unfortunately, in consideration of exorbitant rent increases, rent control is on its way in many places. Look for it soon in a jurisdiction near you.

Rent control is an unavoidable consequence of unlimited rent increases where incomes have not kept pace. While the marketplace is the most efficient method of keeping rents where they should be, politicians find it too hard to manage the marketplace, and rent control is their fallback policy.

You may expect that the limit of (7% + CPI) will not remain in place, but will be replaced by a figure more in touch with OR's housing / tenant balance.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 12:21 PM
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P.S.,

" CPI is 2-3% so 7 points above that is 9-10%. Who here is getting 9-10% year on year rent increases? "

We are. We have had 6-12% increases no for several years, which are, of course, a result of limited housing and immigration overload (legal and otherwise).

As to be expected, rent control is raising its ugly head. The City of Los Angeles has added 40,000 new units in the last year, but calculations show that the annual increase to stay even is much greater than that.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 12:36 PM
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If it heads here, which I doubt, I'll sell and move into flipping full time. Just one more headache. --174.201.x.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 2:17 PM
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NE, that’s it exactly! Fewer and fewer landlords .

And, then the politicians will just pass more laws, so they can say they have a plan. Well, I’m a landlord, and I have a plan. My plan is to rent well-maintained housing, to trainable tenants who want to work hard, in whatever form that is, to improve their lot in life. I’ll keep rents reasonable, treat my tenants respectfully, expect the rents to be paid in a timely fashion, and the property to be treated well.

Government, stay outta my way! --172.58.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 2:27 PM
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I read it as 7% increase over cpi not plus 7 points. --104.218.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 4:23 PM
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I had to recheck it too...

It says 7% above the change in the CPI which was about 2%... so 2 x 1.07 = 2.14

So a maximum increase in rent of 2.14% ???

Wow.

This will cause a squeeze for landlords... fixing the rent meanwhile property taxes go up, cost of repairs go up...

--75.70.xx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 4:59 PM
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WL, Berkeley, CA has had rent control for decades, and developers love to build huge new apartment megacomplexes there. Several ones already went up in Downtown Berkeley, and Mill Creek Residential is currently developing a gigantic one. The same goes for San Francisco.

I'm in shock that the whole state of Oregon will set to impose rent control? I knew some wealthy folks who bought a Summer mansion on the Oregon Coast and wonder what they think or maybe it doesn't even matter to them? --107.142.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 6:58 PM
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The basis of rent control is not to control rent but bankrupt private sector rental units then government takes over where suddenly tenants get very large rent increases as some tenant think rent control helps them but in reality rental units become uninhabitable as normal maintenance becomes impossible then there is very severe shortage of rental units. Apartments above stores are converted to commercial along with houses are sold to become owner occupied. Why is it in the cities that rent control rents are very high compared to the free market areas. --147.194.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 7:16 PM
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" Berkeley, CA has had rent control for decades, and developers love to build huge new apartment megacomplexes there. Several ones already went up in Downtown Berkeley, and Mill Creek Residential is currently developing a gigantic one. The same goes for San Francisco. "

Thats because CA law doesn't allow local rent control to be applied to new construction. The purpose of the law is, of course, to encourage new construction so as to increase housing supply.

Thus, its is very worthwhile to purchase old property, tear it down, and construct new housing, as many units as possible, because units in the old property were rent-controlled, and units in the new development are not.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 21, 2019 9:11 PM
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Yes, I just posted about this the other day. The politicians here on the left coast just can't help themselves. They know that all they need to do is to control every aspect of our lives and then all will be right with the world.

Delusional and shortsighted. So glad to see that David (MI) still thinks Socialism is fine. Hope it comes to your neighborhood soon! --24.20.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 5:43 AM
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Delusional and shortsighted are the posters here that think "lazy" lawmakers and bureaucrats would draft language that says "7 percent above CPI" rather than just say "CPI", because they care about that extra 0.14%

And JB, I never claimed to support rent control. I just want to get my 10% year over year rent increase! --199.247.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 5:45 AM
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"The bill would cap annual rent increases to 7 percent plus inflation throughout the state. Annual increases in the Consumer Price Index, a measure of inflation, for Western states has ranged from just under 1 percent to 3.6 percent over the past five years."

There you go! --199.247.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 6:27 AM
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Rent control is the #1 reason why the poor gets poorer.

How's that?

- Rent control discourages tenants from making the move to ownership, thus making sure they remain poor tenants for life.

- As Robert Ontario mentioned, rent control is designed to bankrupt small landlords, then let municipalities take over with the end result of the poor gets poorer.

At my age, I don't care anymore, but I can't see how the United States of America is going to stay capitalistic. DT is the last capitalistic in the WH. Kiss the constitution and your freedoms goodbye when the young generation takes over. --99.59.x.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 6:29 AM
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"Rent control discourages tenants from making the move to ownership,"

Cart before the house. Rent control only happens in areas where the cost of buying a house is so high that people are forced to rent. --199.247.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 7:56 AM
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Oregon has imposed statewide laws, as has Washington state that are having a very negative affect on landlords. At least that is the anecdotal evidence I have gleaned from residents of those states. Landlords quitting the business, leaving houses sit empty rather than rent.

Funny thing is, there are plenty of people who choose to rent for life, rather than buy. In my area, in Wisconsin, rents are often more than 1.5- 2x piti. In my rental area, rents are 3-4x piti. It seems younger buyers are increasingly wanting to buy only in ‘the best’ areas, or, they will choose to stay renters. And, complain, they can’t afford to buy. Interesting phenomenon. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 8:42 AM
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It's not as if OR LLs don't already have enough hurdles to get over.

We can't hardly touch a sfh for less than $300k near Portland. That same home might rent for just $1500. Subtract from that about $400/mo just for taxes and insurance. Less the cost of repairs, maintenance, management, vacancy allowance and turnover costs, etc, etc. There is no profit to be made.

And multi-units aren't much better. You can easily pay over $200k per unit for very small, simple places.

Add to that all the burdensome regulations and horrendous fees associated with trying to do a "No Cause" eviction and having to pay to current residents to pay their moving costs, 90 Day Notices... and small LLs are closing up shop and selling out. And for everyone who leaves the business that just means that much fewer rentals available.

That's why I say the politicians are short-sighted and delusional. They only want to do what feels good and what they think will help today. They don't have any common sense or vision of what will happen tomorrow. Something is missing in that part of their brain I suppose.

--24.20.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 9:35 AM
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I did some Zillow surfing, and Yikes! There are no low end properties out there. Most lower priced homes were in mobile home parks. But, one thing I noticed, after my brief five-ten minute search, there are no ‘dumps’ either.

Here, in the Midwest, AKA, rust-belt, cities are loaded with street after street of $30-$40k handyman specials. Violent crime is higher in those areas too. I’m using hyperbole here, dear readers, we don’t have THAT many. But, vast difference in the housing stock.

I admit, I don’t what causes the difference. Whether it is a weather issue, or, timeframe of when areas were developed ( lots of post-WWII small prefabs on very small lots in Middle US.) , or ?? Mobile homes not as desirable in mid-west, Great Plains where tornadoes are more frequent? Maybe. House on wheels desirable if the mountain is getting ready to explode? Maybe.

But, there sure wasn’t much under $100k out there. But, also nothing I spotted that was a ‘fixer’. So, no where for a new landlord to get in, start a business, and offer more rentals.

Rent control would not be my choice to solve the issues. I’m tired of politicians trying to pit groups of people against each other. My tenants and I have a mutually beneficial relationship, not adversarial. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Jose [CA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 9:39 AM
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We can only raise rent what is allowed under rent control but waste management just double what they charge. No price control for them.I think politicians should copy Venezuela system so we all can be happy. --172.58.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 10:09 AM
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Jose, I spilt my coffee! Lol!! --70.92.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 10:38 AM
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To answer JB and Busy, the reason why rent control (and the minimum wage) are popular as easy fixes by lawmakers is because they pass the buck to business owners. If lawmakers were to properly fix the problem by increasing tax credits for low income workers, those numbers would have to be factored into the state budget. So instead of accounting for these costs , lawmakers introduce price controls on rent and wages and thereby distorting the market. --199.247.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 10:52 AM
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Moshe, you are correct, and I totally forgot about the CA Costa–Hawkins Rental Housing Act of 1995 that allowed new construction not to be under rent control. The measure to repeal it was right on the CA ballot in 2018 too.

Along a similar line, the OR-state-wide measure can be amended, and it will be interesting to watch how things play out over time. --73.93.xx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 12:13 PM
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Right now in the province of Ontario a lot of smaller rental housing providers have sold houses that were once rentals. The lower end of market starts to disappear as more rentals are owned by very large corporations. Vacancy rates go down to zero as more rental units disappear. Apartments above stores are converted to commercial as residential rental is no longer worthwhile. Tenants who get evicted can no longer find a rental unit as rental housing providers only allow people in with credit scores of over 700. If rent control is so wonderful then why are government owned units exempt from rent control. We have a austerity provincial government in Ontario so eventually there are going make changes to rent control along with broken two tiered rent dispute process. Some non-profit buildings lose $100,000 per year in operating. Exempting new construction is a lie where eventually those rental units come under rent control. In the end builders register new buildings as condominium where if the government becomes difficult a tenant gets a letter in the mail they can buy or leave. When they brought in rent control in 1975 they had wage and price controls where in a few years they dropped the wage and price controls but rent control remained with increases lower then annual operating costs. --147.194.xxx.xx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 2:21 PM
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the limitation on the rent hikes is the LEAST of the burdens on owners. the laws passed ALWAYS have lots of additional terms included in their wording. there will be mandated fees for terminating tenants, limitations on permissible evictions, "disabled" impositions, fees to register units, obligations to arbitrate disputes. the recent rent control ballot issue in national city calif (which did not pass) proposed a FIVE member "Rent Board" which required that THREE of those members be TENANTS. that's the same as two wolves and a sheep voting on who to eat for lunch.

rent control is dismissed even by the lefty economists as an idea that sounds great but fails every time. it is estimated that the san francisco rent control regime has landlords holding as many as 30,000 rental units EMPTY rather than endure the rules of the rent control plan there. granting a tenancy there is the same as granting a life estate. --76.176.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 22, 2019 6:27 PM
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Right you are Busy. There are really no fixers any more. Most of those homes have had 50 flippers a month offering to purchase those places for the past several years. Anything priced at a somewhat reasonable price is an (often) disguised manufactured home or an attached home (photo not even showing that it is attached). I guess the agents are just hoping that people will come out to see them and in desperation just purchase and overlook the obvious problems in owning those properties.

There are still plenty of crummy homes out here. They just tend to be owned by people who can't afford to fix them up and can't afford to move or they are renting them and not doing any maintenance on them. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2019 4:59 AM
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JB, What will you do? Will you continue doing business in Oregon, or will you move your investments to another state?

It’s a really hard situation to be in. I’m sorry for your problems, and hope it works out for you.

Colorado has a bill proposed right now to increase the time that a tenant has to cure (such as non-payment of rent) currently its a 3-day notice, and then the landlord can file for eviction. The new bill if passed, will change from 3 days to 14 days! (And that’s business days, and doesn’t include the day it’s posted) --75.70.xx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2019 9:59 AM
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Thanks Sandy. It's a shame because I was born and raised here. All of my family is still here. I love the state, but the people are getting stranger and stranger and they keep coming from CA and Seattle and other places that attract the same element.

I may stick it out a bit and see if they reverse course. We do have a few REIA's in the state but our voices never seem to be heard. But I don't hold out much hope. The only thing keeping me renting at this point has been that I purchased while prices were more reasonable.

I fear that I simply will not be able to take the abuse we receive much longer and will sell out in disgust. Once that happens I don't see staying here. Not sure where we'll go. Not CA, not WA. But that'll be a new post... --24.20.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2019 10:02 AM
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BTW, I heard about that new bill in CO. I'm very sorry to hear about that. I also feel that CO may be heading our direction...becoming more and more progressive. I hope that saner minds prevail...for your sake. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Oregon Mandatory RC (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2019 2:01 PM
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JB, that's awful. I remember Oregon being a beautiful state. Well, hopefully they'll see the error of their ways and change course. I hope it works out for you.

--75.70.xx.xxx





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