These are the kind of real estate things that I love. The how to's on things that most people never have to deal with. --174.201.xx.xxx

The sheriff sale on the property with the lien took place in Pa. --174.201.xx.xxx

Isn't this what title insurance is for? --199.247.xx.xx

Title insurance isn't always an option on every deal. --50.107.xxx.xx

Might just report them to the IRS. --50.82.xxx.xx

Get a referral from John Hyre. --72.172.xxx.xx

But based on the wording of the post, did the lien hit the house AFTER the safe? The lien shouldn't be valid then? --199.247.xx.xx

We have moved federal tax liens from one property to another property owned by the same owners in the past, so it can be done. It takes some time and attorney effort. Just not sure how to across state lines. --50.107.xxx.xx

The attorney you used to do this within the state should be able to tell you how it would work crossing state lines. You don't have to use that attorney to pursue it but you do need to know how it works in order to know what to expect. --174.232.xxx.xxx

The lein hit after the auction but before the closing? and he did not buy title insurance? he paid the lein when he sold the property? The IRS is not involved any longer,as far as they are concerned it is paid.I buy title insurance on every house I purchase at foreclosure auction,if I cant buy it then the banks attorneys have to fix it so I can buy it,in a couple cases it took them 1 year to straighten it out.I think your friend is out of luck,let us know what happens with this --72.231.xxx.xxx

Why did he not just pass on the buyer, fix the problem first and then sell? Now that he has paid, would he not be stuck? --73.120.xx.xxx

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The more I think about this I think you may not be getting the whole story or something isn't right,if the lein was filed after the lis pendens was filed then it should have never attached to the house in the first place,when the lis pendens is filed that puts everyone on notice that there is a foreclosure,any liens filed before the lis pendenms get removed during the foreclosure process by the attorney for the bank doing the foreclosure notifying the lein holders,any leins filed after the lis pendens is filed are not attached because they have already been put on notice by the lis pendens being filed.If the federal tax lein was filed before the lis pendens it is about the only lein that does not get wiped out at the foreclosure auction but the IRS has 90 days,maybe 120,but I think 90 to come forward and pay you what you paid for the house and take the house from you. --72.231.xxx.xxx

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Correct Nicole, she owe the feds 60,000. Ken, you may be correct in that I might be missing a point or two in the story here. I'm going off of what him and I talked about yesterday. I originally tried to tell him to not pay that before he sold the house and I think he was just frustrated with the whole thing and wanted the property gone so he just paid it. Doing that very well may have screwed him on this, but I don't know. --174.201.x.xx

The reason my friend is thinking that he has a case, is because he thinks it was wrongfully place to begin with. So he's trying to find a way to backtrack this whole thing somehow. --174.201.x.xx

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NE,how long did he own the house? --72.231.xxx.xxx

Would he be trying to get his money repaid bt this girl who actually owed the money? That sounds possible. --99.203.xx.xxx

Yes, he's trying to get his money back from the girl who owed it. Basically her estate owed $60,000 to the IRS and someone paid her bill for her. Ken, I don't know how long he owned to the house. I'm guessing he bought it maybe a year and a half ago --50.107.xxx.xx

Who owed the IRS? The dead person or the heir? --72.70.xxx.xx

The heir. --50.107.xxx.xx

okay ... so I'm thinking your friend is out. The real estate has zero value to the estate since it was foreclosed on. Go after her personally on some type unjust enrichment, possibly... but that doesn't have anything to do with the estate. Not sure how an IRS lien would have attached to that real estate since it was never hers and the IRS wouldn't have gotten anything any way. --72.70.xxx.xx

all that said, I'd find a good real estate attorney in Pennsylvania - you know which one in the western part of the state - have him go after her here and then if he wins transfer the judgment to her home state and execute ... if she has assets/equity in her house down there. You've got to think, I'm guessing anyone that owes the IRS $60,000 probably isn't a good money person so probably no executable assets (or good at hiding them). --72.70.xxx.xx