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Tub Surround (by Jo [CT]) Feb 8, 2019 6:37 PM
       Tub Surround (by DJ [VA]) Feb 8, 2019 7:05 PM
       Tub Surround (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Feb 8, 2019 7:20 PM
       Tub Surround (by GKARL [PA]) Feb 8, 2019 7:36 PM
       Tub Surround (by RR78 [VA]) Feb 8, 2019 7:45 PM
       Tub Surround (by Vee [OH]) Feb 8, 2019 7:49 PM
       Tub Surround (by small potatoes [NY]) Feb 8, 2019 8:25 PM
       Tub Surround (by Robert J [CA]) Feb 8, 2019 8:46 PM
       Tub Surround (by LindaJ [NY]) Feb 9, 2019 4:30 AM
       Tub Surround (by WMH [NC]) Feb 9, 2019 4:34 AM
       Tub Surround (by myob [GA]) Feb 9, 2019 4:58 AM
       Tub Surround (by myob [GA]) Feb 9, 2019 4:58 AM
       Tub Surround (by Steve [MA]) Feb 9, 2019 5:50 AM
       Tub Surround (by Jo [CT]) Feb 9, 2019 5:52 AM
       Tub Surround (by fred [CA]) Feb 9, 2019 5:54 AM
       Tub Surround (by elliot [RI]) Feb 9, 2019 6:15 AM
       Tub Surround (by myob [GA]) Feb 9, 2019 6:28 AM
       Tub Surround (by pg [SC]) Feb 9, 2019 7:40 AM
       Tub Surround (by small potatoes [NY]) Feb 9, 2019 8:24 AM
       Tub Surround (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Feb 9, 2019 8:36 AM
       Tub Surround (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Feb 9, 2019 8:38 AM
       Tub Surround (by Hoosier [IN]) Feb 9, 2019 11:52 AM
       Tub Surround (by AllyM [NJ]) Feb 9, 2019 2:45 PM
       Tub Surround (by Brian [CA]) Feb 11, 2019 9:37 PM
       Tub Surround (by Brian [CA]) Feb 11, 2019 9:39 PM

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Tub Surround (by Jo [CT]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 6:37 PM
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I need to replace this old fashioned material that is on the walls inside the tub area. It is old, flaking and getting bowed out with water damage. I have been looking at those tub surrounds panels which you can buy in 3 pieces.

Had a contractor come in Monday and he said I had to just about gut the bathroom...pull out the nice cast iron tub, get a whole new tub and surround, redo the plumbing to the tune of 5,500!

I don't want to reinvent the wheel here...I came across these interesting waterproof panels called Dumawall Panels. They can go right over existing tiles, wallboard, or anything that is on the wall. The interlock, are completely waterproof, and look easy to install.

I had another contractor come in today and he said he could either tile the area, or install those panels, and I don't have to rip out the tub!!

Anyone ever have any experience with these panels? Look them up, they are interesting. Outside of ceramic tiles, any other suggestions? I think those 3 piece surround things may be hard to fit around the existing tub area.

He will take down the old material and put this stuff up. I'm sure he will far more reasonable!

--32.215.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 7:05 PM
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The first contractor just thinks you have a lot of wealth if you are a landlord, and he wants your money.

I never heard of that product before, but it looks quite interesting.

If you use these panels, let us know how it goes. --68.10.xxx.x




Tub Surround (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 7:20 PM
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Problem with most bathrooms is the material is often moldy along with falling apart. If the bathtub and faucets are in good condition then the bathtub does not have to removed. The bathtub faucets can be replaced without removing the bathtub. Demolition is not that difficult but will require a day to remove all the old material. Hardi board either 1/4" or 1/2" along with some new studs will be required. Once the wall is opened then the insulation can be checked along with any moldy material removed. Generally tub surround easily gets dirty where after a few years will have to replace. The latest is installing large tiles. There are many videos on You Tube about demolition and bathroom renovations. Demolition is the most labour intensive where the rest is easier. More expensive a three piece bathtub assembly where it takes the least amount of time to install. Going to renovate bathroom in the house where the bathtub, floor, vanity and toilet are going to replaced. The three piece tub assembly has a crack which is above water line. Have done quite a few bathroom renovations where after the first few everything become routine. --147.194.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 7:36 PM
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This looks very interesting. I have a bathroom I need to redo in my personal residence and this would be quite effective. I have some wallboard that needs to be replaced behind the tile, so it would probably pay me to remove all of the tile, repair the wallboard and go over the wallboard with this product. I see they sell it at Lowes. It reminds me of Allure. I'll definitely check out. --209.122.xx.xxx




Tub Surround (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 7:45 PM
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Dumawall Panels

Really does look like a good new product that could be useful.

Especially when you need a quick job. Like when a property is occupied.

I just ordered a small sample size off amazon to see what it looks like. --73.152.xx.xxx




Tub Surround (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 7:49 PM
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I agree with Robert from Ontario, in a kitchen or bathroom you open the surface and discover then you can not put it together without rep!acting what you could not see and it has decayed badly - don't want to mention the 4 letter word that neglected mildew becomes, plan for the worst and if you can save anything you should get a lottery ticket.

--76.188.xxx.x




Tub Surround (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 8:25 PM
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The first contractor was not too far off the track process wise. The typical new 3 piece surround is installed directly to studs and is paired with the tub as a unit. The dumawall looks promising but pricy. HD sells a solid pvc panel system that can be trimmed to fit smaller areas and is put up with adhesive, so if your current wall is sound you can go with that. Also search posts from last year where members talk about using pvc beadboard panels. If you do open the walls update the plumbing, and pick out a single handle faucet set as the 2 handle ones are disappearing from production and what is left is very basic. --100.2.xx.xxx




Tub Surround (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Feb 8, 2019 8:46 PM
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I am a licensed contractor and plumber who often deals with replacing bathtub surroundings. I'm also a long term landlord and work on my own rentals.

A client friend had similar issues. He was given estimates from several other contractors. So I came to the rental and did my assessment.

I removed the control flange and trim to expose the wall backing. Using my moisture meter I found unacceptable wet materials in the wall. I told my friend that I needed to remove the old wall tiles and plaster down to the studs. Then I needed to treat the wood studs and build back up the walls to a thickness were we would apply the new tub surround kit. A build up of around 2 inches.

My estimate was a song, dirt cheep. He, my friend, though he was being taken advantage of -- even through I showed him the readings and image taken with my professional moisture meter.

So he went along with a handyman and had a new surround kit installed over the old walls.

Within weeks the smell from mold got the tenant sick, who lost out on work because of this. The tenant contacted "Housing" who ordered the unit vacated until the bathroom get Remediation and a complete make over.

From a few hundred dollars to do the job right, my friend now had to spend over ten thousand dollars, not including the lost rent during the remodel.

From this story, you should understand that doing the job right and just getting it done cheep is not the same thing. One can do this on the cheep, so long as you make sure the job is done to code. --47.156.xx.xx




Tub Surround (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 4:30 AM
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If it has moisture damage and is bowing, I would think it has to be removed. Mold and rot are moisture issues that don't go away by covering it. If it is on the outside wall insulation is an issue too.

Even if you do remove the board and maybe replace the studs, you want to use a good moisture proof "wallboard". That way if there are any leaks, it is less likely to damage.

This product does look interesting, but easy is it to clean and will it be damaged by bathroom cleaning products? Although it says each tile is interlocking and waterproof, my thought is, the more seams the more possibility of one failing and leaking. Unless it is perfectly flat when put together (which I wonder since it looks like grouted seams) is that a place for mold to grow if not cleaned properly? --108.4.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 4:34 AM
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We use PVC interlocking wainscoting panels for tub surrounds these days. If we want to get fancy, we add a row of mosaic tiles at the very top. But usually just go tub to ceiling with them and add PVC molding to top and corners.

Waterproof, easy-up (glue), easy-clean. --50.82.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 4:58 AM
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I've used stuff similar. If tile is left on wall it's very difficult to attach to it. Our last jog we yanked all the tile-- left the tub--- used duroc board as underpayment and then panels. Putting board directly over studs DOES NOT WORK-- u need something of some substance behind the panels.

NO to 5.5K redo unless selling the property. ( That could be 2 years of profit for just one project. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 4:58 AM
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I've used stuff similar. If tile is left on wall it's very difficult to attach to it. Our last jog we yanked all the tile-- left the tub--- used duroc board as underpayment and then panels. Putting board directly over studs DOES NOT WORK-- u need something of some substance behind the panels.

NO to 5.5K redo unless selling the property. ( That could be 2 years of profit for just one project. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 5:50 AM
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Overall this product shows promise as an easy way for DIYs to cover walls instead of tile. However like all of the miracle no work weight loss muscle building programs out there, I don't think it's a magic solution. I do see that if it was installed correctly it could be ideal for upgrading an occupied unit.

As others have said you need to be sure that the surface it's being installed on is solid & there isn't any hidden problems. Especially since their 10 warranty is only for materials. It does not cover any labor or L&M to repair any damages caused by leaking panels.

According to their web site the panels / tiles come 21 SF to a carton & cost about $4.00 a SF. You would need to add caulking & metal trim to this. A typical shower area requires about 60SF - 70SF of wall covering. I'm thinking it would cost about $300.00 - $350.00 for the materials to panel an average tub area. IMO this is about 2-3 times what it would cost to buy a 3 sided panel kit to do the same thing.

The next time I'm at a Lowes I plan to check it out. I do think it would be ideal for backsplashes & wainscoting. I don't think I would be tempted to use it to cover existing shower / tub walls. I might consider using it for shower / tub walls in a new installation. --96.237.xx.xx




Tub Surround (by Jo [CT]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 5:52 AM
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The old stuff will come off the walls, then we will see what is behind it. Small potaotes...can you let me know what that pvc board stuff is at HD? I saw something yesterday that sounds like what you mentioned, but it wasn't suggested for a shower/tub area.

--32.215.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 5:54 AM
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I remodeled a shower last month, it was an original from 1954.

I had to remove everything in sight, down to the studs - that took a day. Then clean up, treat the mold, replace the faucet, install moisture barrier, Cement Boards, re-do the floor and tile the walls.

Your first estimate is the way to go. Get additional estimates including the same things, and you may save some money. Don't get trapped with your second estimate, because it's the wrong way to do it and will cost you more in the long run.

You see, what's under the surface is very important, more important than surround or tile. --99.59.x.xxx




Tub Surround (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 6:15 AM
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If your shower valves are in decent condition, gut a bathroom wall takes probably half a day for 2 guys (we did many similar upgrades from clawfoot tub to new tub & vinyl panel surrounding in last couple years. ($30 plywood, $60 pvc panel kit from bargain outlet)

If it is just a class C rental, 1/2" or 3/4" plywood as backer, then glue down the PVC panel over them can be done within half a day with a helper (If you are handy)

The fancier version would be cement boards, then 12" tile. That's about a day's worth of work (grout 2nd day, done)

If the bottom section of the stubs were rotted, sister some 2x3 or 2x4 then move on. The walls typically are not load bearing, so, no sense of making it last another thousand years..

--71.232.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 6:28 AM
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Elliot sorry to disagree. Don't use plywood behind a wet area. Use the crete board (cement board) wood rots when it gets wet and smells. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by pg [SC]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 7:40 AM
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To me the panels is a band aid.

In 2008 I removed a 1970s ugly green fiberglass tub - put in a white 7124 Sterling Kohler - this isn't the cheapo - three piece surround and the tub - Demo to the studs - Surrounds attaches to the studs. A good handy man can do this. Unit still looks good and is easy to clean - a must with those tenants that are not to clean.

2010 Removed old cast iron tub put in another Sterling Kohler - same drill same long term results.

Note: You must find the source of the WATER DAMAGE. --99.197.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 8:24 AM
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Jo, the HD surround is Peerless sturdifit 5 piece kit. The panels should be noticeably thick, not wafer thin. The corner pieces are thin. You will want to make sure the walls are squared up, otherwise there will be a large gap when you overlay the corner pieces. I cheated and used cement board on the lower 2' of wall and blueboard above that. The other issue w/ 3 piece kits is that the fiberglass is brittle. It took me 4 tries to get a kit that had all god pieces. I wound up combining kits and taking the rejects back. At lowes you might see these in the return section where the flange is damaged but the panel is ok. They are discounted well, and install fine, since you cover up the flange.

Also are you sure the floor is in good shape? This would be the time when you can pull the tub (even if you are keeping it) and rebuild rotten subfloor and get support under the tub where it needs it. I have done this the last couple of times and put cement board under/ at the tub so future water damage is minimized. --100.2.xx.xxx




Tub Surround (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 8:36 AM
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Jo, I've successfully used the three piece plastic panels to cover up a really ugly bathtub surround, but there was no evidence of water damage.

If it looks like water damage, I recommend you strip the area down and repair any water damage that you find behind and underneath. Do it right and don't just cover it up.

You won't know if the tub has to be removed until you see what is back there. If there is rot or mold in the walls, it might go underneath the tub and at that point, you need to remove the tub.

$5500 sounds a bit high to me, so get a couple more estimates.

I would expect estimates to be tiered. $$ to remove and replace wall. An addition $$ if studs need to be replaced. $$ if tub has to be removed. I wouldn't agree to the entire remodel before knowing what is in there, but I would not want high surprise costs, either. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 8:38 AM
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Family joke when we are watching the remodel TV shows. "Oohh Nooo! Don't open the wall!!!

You never like what you find, but if there is water damage, you must find it and fix it. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 11:52 AM
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She says right in the video that you should add a thin line of caulk to all grout lines. THat sounds to me like water could get between the seams if you don't maintain all these caulk lines...ouch!

I agree with most others that you need to make sure there is no damage to the wall surfaces or loose tiles before you mount this stuff. --99.92.xxx.xxx




Tub Surround (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2019 2:45 PM
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I have had bathrooms retiled over the correct board and I had one done by a company called Rebath. They took off the tile down to the walls which were sound except for a few spots where they replaced greenboard. . The plastic panels glued to the wall and a formed plastic tub went over the old one. That was a while ago and the whole job was $3,500 and it looked like a newly built bathroom after I redid the floor with self stick and added new vanity. They are advertising locally here in NJ. Not sure where else they might be. --173.61.xxx.xx




Tub Surround (by Brian [CA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2019 9:37 PM
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I have been gluing up sheets of FRB for tub and shower walls for over 10 years without problems.

All the motels I stay at seem to use thin sheets of cultured marble, but I canít find a cheap place to buy the stuff wholesale. --174.212.x.xx




Tub Surround (by Brian [CA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2019 9:39 PM
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Sorry, that should be FRP. Fibreglass Reinforced Paneling. $35 for a 4x8 sheet at lowes or Home Depot . --174.212.x.xx



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