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SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Oct 29, 2018 1:42 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by NE [PA]) Oct 29, 2018 1:48 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by razorback_tim [AR]) Oct 29, 2018 1:48 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Laura [MD]) Oct 29, 2018 2:34 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Doogie [KS]) Oct 29, 2018 2:42 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by melinda [MD]) Oct 29, 2018 2:54 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by myob [GA]) Oct 29, 2018 2:59 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Oct 29, 2018 3:08 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by JB [OH]) Oct 29, 2018 3:20 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by RB [MI]) Oct 29, 2018 4:06 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by David [MI]) Oct 29, 2018 4:15 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Jeff [OH]) Oct 29, 2018 4:36 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by NE [PA]) Oct 29, 2018 4:46 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Gail K [GA]) Oct 29, 2018 7:19 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by myob [GA]) Oct 29, 2018 8:08 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 29, 2018 9:54 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 29, 2018 9:59 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Laura [MD]) Oct 29, 2018 10:01 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Roy [AL]) Oct 30, 2018 2:29 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Vee [OH]) Oct 30, 2018 4:03 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Oct 30, 2018 5:23 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by RB [MI]) Oct 30, 2018 5:33 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by S i d [MO]) Oct 30, 2018 5:38 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by PT [IN]) Oct 30, 2018 9:38 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Oct 30, 2018 9:59 AM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Cjoh [CT]) Nov 4, 2018 6:13 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by Robin [WI]) Nov 5, 2018 6:25 PM
       SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Nov 6, 2018 4:37 AM

SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 1:42 PM

I know I know it only takes one to fill a vacancy but I am having ZERO POINT ZERO luck at finding that one right now. Tough time of year, yes, but people ARE still looking. Just not at my stuff.

But combine the quirky exterior of my place (Trailer, with stick-built additions...) with the bad time of year and worse, the bad APPLICANTS and OY! My Preview Questions spreadsheet is full of NO's.

62 inquiries, 12 possibles (I would offer a viewing based on preliminary info) but only 4 showings and no takers.

A full 50 were disqualified in seconds and for all the same reasons: mostly income, but also non-neutered animals, evictions, criminal history...

Oh well. In the past I would have wasted time dealing with those 50 losers, now it's just a press of a key that send an auto-mail: "No soup for you!" ;)

SLIM PICKINGS! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 1:48 PM

I made a large post regarding this same issue a few days ago that got sucked up into the spam filter for some reason. Too long to redo it, but yes I feel your pain. My vacancies are extended anymore. Lots of deadbeats.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 1:48 PM

Im finding the same thing.

All of the apartments theyve built locally may be taking their toll on me.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 2:34 PM

Ditto here. Again I thought it was just me. I am looking at and revamping my renting process, but very slim pic king too. Whats up, are loans easier to get?

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 2:42 PM

Same issue here. I'm DQ'ing about the same ratio as well. We're at Nov 1 this week and that's typically the time for me that things come to a screeching halt. Holidays are coming as well as it's getting colder (although that hasn't been a big factor here just yet). I, like you, am thankful I don't have to waste my time showing to those that wouldn't qualify anyway anymore. Life is so much simpler now. :)

SLIM PICKINGS! (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 2:54 PM

We have not had any calls for rentals from our military people since the government built some really nice single family homes in town. This is a whole community for military only. Probably about 100 homes. Ugh dont need the competition.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 2:59 PM

Just curious-- why do you have a vacancy now? Don't you schedule your leases for YOUR time? I know sometimes we get unexpected vacancies but renewals and new sign ups should have expirations fit for us.

I'd be picking the one with the best job-- maybe waive the income quals somewhat. or increase dep for IFFY rent history.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 3:08 PM

Two older ladies, MYOB. Oldest one was the former MIL of the younger one (yes EX Mil, they were friends.) MIL is in her 80's and SUDDENLY went downhill very fast mentally. So they agreed to split up and older MIL went back north to her own kids and Main Tenant has gone to be close to HER had to break lease, yada yada.

Life happens. I can't control it!

SLIM PICKINGS! (by JB [OH]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 3:20 PM

Very slow market here since August. Other landlords say the same. Even in the Hot areas. A few leases read that tenant cannot move Oct 1 thru Feb. Maybe that is the new order.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 4:06 PM

I hear ya.

Last vacancy:

73 inquiries,

3 Qualified to see SFH,

2 showed up, late.

1 applied and then pulled out.

The next day:

A Unicorn stepped out of the woods

and the rest is history.

Ya never know.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by David [MI]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 4:15 PM

Here is dead after labor. I got one vacancy coming up next week and one in December. Thankfully both will pay elt

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Jeff [OH]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 4:36 PM

Just got my vacancy filled today...been open since Sept 1. Tough goings right now. We have 40 units, mostly SFH and happy to report full, but anything can happen at anytime. BTW, Im having to wait until Dec 1 for him to take occupancy, but only decent person I have seen in the past 2 months so decided to hold for him.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 4:46 PM

I feel a little bit better after reading this thread seeing others are facing the same thing. Especially knowing that you all do the best you can.

The post I wrote was about some thoughts I had on combating this. Maybe the webmaster can find it and let it through.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 7:19 PM

Frustrating slow here too. And Facebook Marketplace is a joke. I rewrote the ad to put the requirements FIRST and people who respond still don't read these. When they answer with the "want to view the place" I respond by asking if they meet the criteria for income (3 times the rent), credit history and previous rental history. Crickets.

Just had two women view, provide an application with the red flag request that I run their credit check quickly because their current lease is expiring at the end of this month. A red flag because this typically means they've tried to rent other places and been turned down. And yes..despite the ad AND me telling them an eviction history is a screen out a review of our Marshal's data base shows both have been evicted before (one 6 times). What a time waster for me.


SLIM PICKINGS! (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 8:08 PM

I'm no genius at this but folks some things wrong.... WHY are u having problems?-- After reading here for many years I've noticed one thing change lately..... you all are looking to hard for that perfect tenant app. Many will be upset I said this but your getting to picky for perfect. There is no money in perfect tenants.

I saw this early on in my start with investing. We had people in our R/E club who belonged for years and NEVER PRUCHASED A PROPERTY? WHY because they were waiting on that PERFECT deal to cross their table.

Widen the lens on your blinders-- use the Columbus theory of putting tenants in place-- remember Columbus took a chance.

If your placing people that are collect able-- working-- get a slightly bigger deposit (double). Now follow the zero tolerance on getting your rent.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 9:54 PM

Not to sound like Chicken Little but I believe its here. Renters are the canary in the mine, affected before anyone else notices.

Im seeing the same problems we had when the Great Recesion hit.

We ran a $99 rent for October special alll month and only rented 2 in Oct. Our average is 4 per month. One of thise was approved before the deal but I gave it to them because it was on all our marketing, so the deal brought only one.

10 vacancies. Normal is 4.

Tape up!


SLIM PICKINGS! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 9:59 PM

More stats: apps are still coming in but only for low end rents.

NONE for the higher rents.

Factories are having job fairs and still cannot get enough workers to staff the plant so current workers are swamped with overtime. That SHOULD mean they have more cash.


SLIM PICKINGS! (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Oct 29, 2018 10:01 PM

What does "Tape up" mean?

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 2:29 AM

I am having the same problems here too. I have reduced my above market rents down to below market and I still can't locate any qualified renters. Most of my applicants are straddled with massive amounts of short term debts. One prospect yesterday told me she was considering filing for bankruptcy.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 4:03 AM

Had an open from August to holding fee yesterday, going for 3 week movein so kids can help over Thanksgiving, if one goes now it will be furnish from church stuff and let them have it 2 months.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 5:23 AM

MYOB, I'm not being too picky, trust me LOL! At this stage I only look at three things: income, criminal and non-neutered dogs.

I'm not even being that picky about income right now, not to just show the place, but when they only make $1600 a month for a $1200 unit, it's just not going to work!

And I'm pretty lenient on criminal as half the beach has DUI and possession charges. But when I find a guy (as I did yesterday) with a long history of Grand Larceny charges (felonies) and several evictions...nope. I'll wait for the Unicorn.

The non-neutered is a thing for me because it's not as if they are ever non-neutered lap dogs. Nope, it's always a 50 pound pit. OR a pair of dogs they intend to breed! Not in my properties!

SLIM PICKINGS! (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 5:33 AM

There's a Big difference in finding (Qualified)

Applicants, and Warm Bodies.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 5:38 AM

Yep. Signs are here.

Another reason to automate low-value processes like detailed responses to "I'm suuuuuuper interested" click responses and calls from deadbeats. All calls go to voicemail. Everyone gets the same copy/paste canned response. All applicants must fill out the on line pre-screening form. Less than 5 seconds per inquiry. There simply is no time to WASTE with looky-loos and when that good applicant finally shows up, be ready to SNAG him/her/them!

Don't make applicants wait for YOU to find time to show: give them a combination code to get the key and go NOW, today, this minute! Run the app today. Approve (or reject) within 24 hours or they will go somewhere else that has a full-time staff to show the property and process their app and you will sit vacant wondering why you cannot find good renters.

Laura, "tape up" means get ready for the game. Athletes put support tape on their fingers, wrists, knees, elbows: areas where a lot of physical stress are anticipated. They "reinforce" their joints, because those are the most likely places to break, strain, or sustain injury.

For real estate, "tape up" means reinforce the areas of your business that will experience the greatest stress during a downturn.

Reduce or eliminate stress points:

* Get rid of outdated processes. I'm sorry, in-person showing is old-skool! I know, I know, I will say "it CAN'T WORK in my area...squatters, vandals, and thieves, OH MY!"...but you've never TRIED IT, so you DON'T KNOW! Find a way to make it work.

* Pay down/pay off debts, especially those that are getting ready to start adjusting rates. Interest rates are going UP, not down. Banks may tighten credit, making it difficult to refinance if fall prices clobber your LTV during a market downturn. Refi into fixed-rate products wherever possible, or get the longest rate lock you can and an aggressive payoff timeline (no more than 15 years). Debt = risk in a down economy, more so than usual.

* Zero tolerance on late rent! Establish your policy and stick to it. Train your tenants that rent is the #1 priority.

* Get properties fixed up. Be in the top 80-90% of units in your market and price-point. There are good tenants even in bad economies. You want them, but don't overspend. "Safe, clean, functional" has long been our model. There's always a market for that!

If Brad is right--and there are signs that say he is--we will need to be at the top of our game to survive and win! We've been in a bull market for over a decade. The bull will turn into a bear some day. I've been getting ready to take advantage of falling prices for units.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by PT [IN]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 9:38 AM

Amen Sid. We are in the 7th innings. Raise cash and pay debt. I listening to these gurus on BP pushing people to buy more and more and bigger and bigger. Sometimes you the best thing to do is nothing. --68.87.xx.xx

SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 30, 2018 9:59 AM

I just lowered the price on a place by $100...and got two good responses almost immediately. So there you go! Price matters (duh.) It's still $100 more than the previous tenant was paying, so not losing anything.

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Cjoh [CT]) Posted on: Nov 4, 2018 6:13 PM

Havent had a vacancy in a while,even rented a few days before Christmas so dont despair. A plywood sign painted white 2 x 3 and 2 bedroom or 1 bedroom in black letters and your telephone number on them and placed in front of the unit seem to draw the prospect , Better than anything else ............ Charlie ...........................internet or whatever..,, .. or even big whatever,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,, ...........

SLIM PICKINGS! (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Nov 5, 2018 6:25 PM

We just took a holding fee for a property that we've been showing since Oct. 22, for a Nov. 15 move-in date. Not too bad. Another, our worst property in the worst neighborhood, has been vacant since Oct. 7, has been shown 17 times, and we've only gotten one application, from a couple living with his mother while he makes $10.50/hr working almost full-time.

The good news is that all 17 of those showings have been via lockbox, so it's wasted minimal time. We're resigned to waiting until warmer weather to fill it.

The good news is,

SLIM PICKINGS! (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 6, 2018 4:37 AM

Well, sent out a lease today. Retired couple who live in an RV in the summer and used to move to a long-term hotel here in the winter, for the past 7 years. Hotel was sold and renovated and rent is now almost double. Campground was sold and is being turned into a KOA and rent is doubling. Can't find another near here as FEMA says no to their type of RV anymore.

So they are parking RV on empty lot and moving into our place. Works for me!

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