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Reno housing crisis (by Wilma [PA]) Oct 22, 2018 4:42 PM
       Reno housing crisis (by Smokowna [MD]) Oct 22, 2018 7:17 PM
       Reno housing crisis (by Andrew [CO]) Oct 22, 2018 8:35 PM
       Reno housing crisis (by Wilma [PA]) Oct 23, 2018 7:56 AM
       Reno housing crisis (by fred [CA]) Oct 23, 2018 8:05 AM
       Reno housing crisis (by S i d [MO]) Oct 23, 2018 9:35 AM
       Reno housing crisis (by fred [CA]) Oct 23, 2018 11:54 AM
       Reno housing crisis (by Salernitana [CA]) Oct 24, 2018 8:22 AM


Reno housing crisis (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2018 4:42 PM
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Just saw this article yesterday in our local paper, about how Reno, NV has a housing crisis due to the influx of tech companies' employees grabbing all available housing. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/10/21/reno-boomtown-resurgence/

The interesting thing for me is that during the 1950's surge from casinos, my folks lived and worked in Reno for a couple of years, but returned East before I was born to be close to family. Dad was a telephone equipment installer, so I guess that he was kept very busy during that first boom. --71.175.xxx.xx




Reno housing crisis (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2018 7:17 PM
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Hee hee, My friend's name is Reno and he was selling one home and doesn't/didn't have a home to move to.

Reno housing crisis. Very current news in our world. --108.51.xxx.xxx




Reno housing crisis (by Andrew [CO]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2018 8:35 PM
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What are the best sources to "mine" regarding areas like this with a big tech influx and limited housing?

Isn't there a similar thing happening in Pittsburgh potentially with Amazon moving in? --73.229.xxx.xx




Reno housing crisis (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2018 7:56 AM
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If Amazon chooses Pittsburgh, there would be great opportunities for RE investors. Housing in a lot of the area is very reasonable.

I live near Philly, and thought that Amazon moving there was a terrible idea - the traffic is already awful, and the location proposed extremely limited. Hate to say it, but Pittsburgh is a much better choice! --71.175.xxx.xxx




Reno housing crisis (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2018 8:05 AM
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Andrew [CO],

I knew a family in SPRING HILL, TN, who had a a coat factory, a few apartments for rent and some vacant land.

One day, General Motors moved to that little town and opened Saturn assembly line there. This family became multi millionaire "over night". I mean serious money.

Amazon is a company in that class, can turn a regular city into a boom city overnight. --99.59.x.xxx




Reno housing crisis (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2018 9:35 AM
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Hopefully, Reno won't be tempted to "solve" their housing crisis with rent controls!

I think that in the coming 10-20 years we are going to see affordable housing crises all over the country. Mom 'n Pap Boomers are getting older, poorer, less healthy and downsizing. They won't need or want to mess with 2000 sq ft+ homes with yards and stairs leading to basements.

In general, I think there will be three groups:

First, the top tier who can afford whatever they want: big or small, simple or chic'. Not sure what they'll do eventually, but this will be a small percentage....less than 20% I would guess based on savings and stats put out by retirement planners. They won't be significantly impacted by looming cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

Second, the group who is squeezed by a lifestyle they can no longer afford, but who have enough equity and savings to get by with Govt retirement checks. They'll downsize to about 1100-1500 sq feet with a small back yard patio and either HOA-provided or personally hired lawn care. Maybe have a shrub or 2 and a postage stamp yard for a small dog. My SWAG on this group makes up anywhere from 25-35% of the total Boomer population.

Third, the ones who have nothing saved and depend entirely on Govt checks and family. They may bunk up with their kids or move to small one-bedroom houses/apartments or trailers. My guess here is about 40-50% of the population will fall into this group. Most are probably already living in fairly humble housing, but they may have to go even humbler to make ends meet.

The middle (second) group is the one that's going to squeeze affordable housing. As they downsize, they'll drive up rents and possibly drive out low-income renters.

I don't know the entire US market, but if it's anything like mine NO ONE is building 2 bed SFHs. Everything is higher-end "trendy" eco-partments and lofts that cost three times the price of a 3 bedroom home and are basically in downtown areas where hipsters come home to roost in between bouts of extreme urban living and pub crawls. ;-)

The cheapest "starter" SFHs in my market run from $80,000 - $120,000. Multiply price by 2-2.5 times if you live in a major Mid-West or coastal metro area or 3-4 times if you live in Cali/Hawaii to get an approximate equivalent. These aren't being built, but rather rehabbed from existing stock of 2-3 bed homes.

Builders doing starter 3-bed spec houses in my town are in the $130K - $200K range. There's no money to be made in anything smaller. At 6% which is fair I think based on how rates are trending upwards, that $600/month P&I even on a 30-year note...and not sure too many banks will do that for older folks. Add in taxes and insurance (+$150 or so), and the bottom group won't be able to afford those even if their credit would qualify them for a loan (doubtful). Middle group might, if they've got equity and a large down payment and haven't spent all their money on timeshares. (wink!)

So how to solve?

I think mobile/trailer park and other "low cost" housing units will be big. Maybe opening up tracts of desolate land inside city limits or just outside to avoid the NIMBY-ers. Maybe cities will relax zoning requirements and offer decade-long tax abatements for investors/developers who can throw up 100-200 units and keep the lower income citizens off the streets.

Class D/C rentals will stay strong, I think, as will the lower end of Class B. Dunno about anything higher than that...maybe the Millenials will finally move into those.

Anyway....always fun to speculate on how these trends will develop. Reno and other higher cost markets will lead the way. Keeping eyes open!

--173.20.xxx.xxx




Reno housing crisis (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2018 11:54 AM
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SID,

Your mini article explains why now it's the best time to go to prison.

Bed, shower, food - check.

Recreation, gym, running track - check.

Library, internet, cable TV - check.

Medical care, dental and vision - check.

Federal judges are there to make sure states, cities and counties meet all of the above and more.

--99.59.x.xxx




Reno housing crisis (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2018 8:22 AM
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Thanks, Wilma, for noting how Reno, "The biggest little city in the world," has become so hot, being reasonably priced for now and home to a university. I've known a couple of San Francisco Bay Area CEOs who opened up businesses there decades ago because of the kinder/gentler tax laws that must be so attractive to huge corporations too. In the 80s, the gambling strip was such a quieter version of the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe, but perhaps it'll be more like Las Vegas soon?

S i d, thanks for laying out your theory, and I too am curious as to how things are going to play out. --107.3.xxx.xxx





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