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Service Dog (by Donna [MO]) Sep 20, 2018 9:27 PM
       Service Dog (by opm [OR]) Sep 20, 2018 9:42 PM
       Service Dog (by JB [OR]) Sep 20, 2018 10:49 PM
       Service Dog (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 20, 2018 10:50 PM
       Service Dog (by bet [MA]) Sep 21, 2018 5:57 AM
       Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Sep 21, 2018 6:15 AM
       Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Sep 21, 2018 6:16 AM
       Service Dog (by plenty [MO]) Sep 21, 2018 6:45 AM
       Service Dog (by plenty [MO]) Sep 21, 2018 6:45 AM
       Service Dog (by Vee [OH]) Sep 21, 2018 9:48 AM
       Service Dog (by Ken [NY]) Sep 21, 2018 10:00 AM
       Service Dog (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 21, 2018 10:17 AM
       Service Dog (by cjo'h [CT]) Sep 21, 2018 11:47 AM
       Service Dog (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 21, 2018 12:10 PM
       Service Dog (by SD Handler [AL]) Sep 21, 2018 1:06 PM
       Service Dog (by Barb [MO]) Sep 21, 2018 2:04 PM
       Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Sep 22, 2018 1:54 PM
       Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Sep 22, 2018 1:57 PM
       Service Dog (by JB [OR]) Sep 22, 2018 2:24 PM
       Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Sep 22, 2018 2:46 PM
       Service Dog (by JB [OR]) Sep 22, 2018 3:02 PM
       Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Sep 22, 2018 3:31 PM
       Service Dog (by MC [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 5:15 AM


Service Dog (by Donna [MO]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 9:27 PM
Message:

I am visiting a friend and her lease states that she is not allowed a pet. Now her landlord is going to evict her because of my service animal. Is this legal?

--174.255.x.xxx




Service Dog (by opm [OR]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 9:42 PM
Message:

Nope The person with the service animal or ESA that is visiting is exempt from the LL rules \

The guests ESA is not the pet or animal of the tenant --162.247.xx.xx




Service Dog (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 10:49 PM
Message:

Not true OPM if the lease (like mine) states that guests can only stay for up to one week. Most are limited to one (maybe two weeks max).

But reason given should be due to visitor(s) that have stayed beyond their guest status. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 10:50 PM
Message:

Donna,

Visiting for how long? An hour, a month, a year?

We do not allow visitors over 14 days in a year without being screened and approved.

What task does the dog perform?

What paperwork do you have for the dog?

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 5:57 AM
Message:

You sound like a great friend. Your friend will now be homeless due to your selfishness. Get your own place and stop scamming your friends. --108.20.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 6:15 AM
Message:

You have to excuse us a bit on this -- this is primarily a site for landlords and most of us have been tricked by fake "service" or "emotional support" animals in the past. So, we tend to be a bit cynical. :)

Put simply: You have not given us enough information to know if there is "more to the story" or not.

If you really are just a friend VISITING someone for a DAY or TWO like a normal "visit", then what opm said is the correct answer: even if her lease does not allow "pets", you may legally visit for a day or two with your Service Animal and she cannot be evicted for it. The LL is allowed to ask you questions -- for example, he can ask if you have a disability (but not what it is) and if the dog is trained to assist with that disability. He can ask what task the dog performs for you.

If it is a legal Service Animal, then he would be wrong to evict because you visited for a few days.

Most of the other replies here are simply a little more harsh because we start to assume that there is more to the story -- such as you "visiting" for months at a time (i.e. you're living there, but just won't say so). That is why they come off a little differently.

So, yes, if this is a normal "visit" to a friend for a weekend, then it is fine. You just didn't give us enough information to know for sure.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 6:16 AM
Message:

You have to excuse us a bit on this -- this is primarily a site for landlords and most of us have been tricked by fake "service" or "emotional support" animals in the past. So, we tend to be a bit cynical. :)

Put simply: You have not given us enough information to know if there is "more to the story" or not.

If you really are just a friend VISITING someone for a DAY or TWO like a normal "visit", then what opm said is the correct answer: even if her lease does not allow "pets", you may legally visit for a day or two with your Service Animal and she cannot be evicted for it. The LL is allowed to ask you questions -- for example, he can ask if you have a disability (but not what it is) and if the dog is trained to assist with that disability. He can ask what task the dog performs for you.

If it is a legal Service Animal, then he would be wrong to evict because you visited for a few days.

Most of the other replies here are simply a little more harsh because we start to assume that there is more to the story -- such as you "visiting" for months at a time (i.e. you're living there, but just won't say so). That is why they come off a little differently.

So, yes, if this is a normal "visit" to a friend for a weekend, then it is fine. You just didn't give us enough information to know for sure.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 6:45 AM
Message:

Suppose you'll ve leaving soon... that helps everyone out. My mom would call this "wearing put your welcome "

--66.87.xxx.x




Service Dog (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 6:45 AM
Message:

Suppose you'll ve leaving soon... that helps everyone out. My mom would call this "wearing put your welcome "

--66.87.xxx.x




Service Dog (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 9:48 AM
Message:

My lease explains no animal visiting or sitting, the landlord may have a pest control company do a flea treatment and the tenant expense - your friend would have to pay 150-200bux after you leave for having the animal indoors. --76.188.xxx.xx




Service Dog (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 10:00 AM
Message:

John,I disagree,as a landlord I have to accept a service dog for my tenant,I believe I do not have to allow a service dog in my building for a visiting friend of a tenant. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 10:17 AM
Message:

I'm thinking that strictly speaking, the landlord must allow a service dog for tenants. Businesses open to the public must allow service dogs (with some exceptions). But an apartment is not a business open to the public nor is OP a tenant.

Not that I would want to be the one to challenge it and end up a test case.

OP, you are causing your friend serious problems. Move out and meet your friend elsewhere for visits. That's what you do if you are a good friend. --174.216.x.xx




Service Dog (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 11:47 AM
Message:

Donna,although this is a landlord site,you are welcome to ask any question that comes into your head,the answers you get may not always be accurate,because we are not infallible,even though some may dispute that ,some of us are not able to make a cup of coffee without burning the water.Theres an old Celtic saying Cead mile Failte,which means in American English one hundred thousand welcomes.But that's only good when you first come to the door,if you overstay your visit,then they seem to dissipate.seems that's maybe what happened in your case.If your friend is going to be evicted ,time to go home and take the dog with you,it is a dog,and some people are allergic to dogs ESAs or not.There may be other people in the building with that problem,and the landlord has to take that into account.So get your ass out of there and the dog too................charlie...............................................as soon as possible.............................. --32.214.xxx.xx




Service Dog (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 12:10 PM
Message:

Service dogs must be allowed in PUBLIC PLACES such as lobbies, stores...

I do not recall a law demanding access to PRIVATE PLACES such as inside a home.

My lease is clear: no visiting animals.

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by SD Handler [AL]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 1:06 PM
Message:

If the housing is covered under the Fair Housing Act guests are covered.

§100.202 General prohibitions against discrimination because of handicap.

(b) It shall be unlawful to discriminate against any person in the terms, conditions, or privileges of the sale or rental of a dwelling, or in the provision of services or facilities in connection with such dwelling, because of a handicap of—

(1) That buyer or renter;

(2) A person residing in or intending to reside in that dwelling after it is so sold, rented, or made available; or

(3) Any person associated with that person. --68.117.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2018 2:04 PM
Message:

I had a conversation about this recently with someone. The first thing we discussed was, ASK the LL politely. Something like, "Hi LL, my dear friend of 20 years would like to come for a visit. She has a SD due to her disability. The animal is fully trained and we will be responsible for picking up the waste. The animal won't damage anything, but in the unlikely event something were to be damaged, we'd pay to repair. Is that OK. She'll be here about a week. "

Landlord says, OK, but you'll need to make sure to pick up. I'll be by for an inspection the following week to be sure there is no damage, and to check the smoke detectors and change the furnace filter.

Or, LL says, you are in a no pet building. WHy don't you go visit your friend at her house?

It gets tricky. As a LL, I'm allowed to ask for documentation of a disability from the medical provider that the person is disabled, and the SD mitigates the disability.

BTW - I am a SD Partner, myself. My SD goes all over with me, even on a cruise and many plane rides and hotel stays. He is an old hand at traveling, at only 3 years old. --131.151.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 1:54 PM
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Vee: Your lease is illegal then and violations the FHAA if you refuse to allow a guest with a Service Animal. And fining them like you said would likely get you into some real trouble if they bothered to follow up on it.

Ken: I believe that you are incorrect. The FHAA actually does specifically specify that you cannot discriminate by disallowing a GUEST with a Service or Emotional Support Animal to visit.

Brad: You may not "recall" it, but that doesn't change the law. §100.202b3 covers it as posted above. HUD has also issued guidance to make it clear that they intended to allow visitors with such animals to be allowed. Your "no visiting animals" clause does not apply to guests with SAs or ESAs - and if you are denying access to people with them, then you are violating federal law.

LOTS of people in this thread making assumptions about how they THINK the law works. I'm surprised so few actually look into it. Just lots of landlords going "I'm pretty sure that isn't the case" or "No, you only have to allow them in public places, but not homes." It simply isn't accurate.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 1:57 PM
Message:

Note that I agree with Barb, of course. The polite thing to do would be for such a person to talk to the LL first. I'm not a fan of the original poster here since they do seem to be causing some real trouble (and we STILL don't know if this "visit" was 2 days or 2 months -- and THAT makes a difference).

But that doesn't change the law when people DON'T do the polite thing and just bring them anyhow. They still have a right to do that and we need to know the law when it happens so that we don't react the way that several LLs said they would above -- which would most likely be illegal.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Service Dog (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 2:24 PM
Message:

So, it's been two days and the OP hasn't bothered responding to any question about her length of stay. It seems pretty obvious she has likely been there for more than "a couple of days." I would tell my tenant to take a walk also if they decided to disregard my rules. Give 'em an inch and watch 'em take a mile. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 2:46 PM
Message:

To be honest, often the OP never returns and responds. Fairly typical on this forum.

I don't see how you got that it is "pretty obvious" that she's been there a long time from the one-line post that we got. We simply don't have the information.

If your "rules" violate federal law, then telling them to "take a walk" will likely get you into court. Good luck.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Service Dog (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 3:02 PM
Message:

Been doing this for 20 years and haven't been drug into court yet. I'm not going to start worrying about it now. If the tenants want to pick a fight, I'm not going to run away. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Service Dog (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 3:31 PM
Message:

Well, to each their own. "I've been violating federal law for years and haven't been caught yet" doesn't sound like a good enough reason to me to keep doing it.

And, again, the fight won't be with the tenant. It'll be with the government/HUD. That's a very different beast to act tough and "stand up" to just because you disagree with federal law.

As I said -- good luck!

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Service Dog (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 5:15 AM
Message:

Another question is: is it a legit service dog or one of the made up ones? I was at a no pet event the other day and a dog came through-was told "no" and the owner produced a document. They both got through then. --73.230.xx.xx





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