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torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Aug 14, 2018 5:30 AM
       torn about what to do (by Vee [OH]) Aug 14, 2018 5:35 AM
       torn about what to do (by bet [MA]) Aug 14, 2018 5:41 AM
       torn about what to do (by razorback_tim [AR]) Aug 14, 2018 5:45 AM
       torn about what to do (by myob [GA]) Aug 14, 2018 6:04 AM
       torn about what to do (by LisaFL [FL]) Aug 14, 2018 6:24 AM
       torn about what to do (by AllyM [NJ]) Aug 14, 2018 6:54 AM
       torn about what to do (by Barb [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 7:09 AM
       torn about what to do (by Tom [FL]) Aug 14, 2018 7:25 AM
       torn about what to do (by Robin [WI]) Aug 14, 2018 7:36 AM
       torn about what to do (by Deanna [TX]) Aug 14, 2018 8:08 AM
       torn about what to do (by S i d [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 9:17 AM
       torn about what to do (by Salernitana [CA]) Aug 14, 2018 9:21 AM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 10:39 AM
       torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Aug 14, 2018 11:19 AM
       torn about what to do (by rentON [PA]) Aug 14, 2018 11:34 AM
       torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Aug 14, 2018 11:34 AM
       torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Aug 14, 2018 11:34 AM
       torn about what to do (by Shelly [IN]) Aug 14, 2018 11:54 AM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:02 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 14, 2018 12:33 PM
       torn about what to do (by LindaJ [NY]) Aug 14, 2018 1:55 PM
       torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Aug 14, 2018 2:12 PM
       torn about what to do (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 14, 2018 2:30 PM
       torn about what to do (by jenna [PA]) Aug 14, 2018 2:38 PM
       torn about what to do (by Vee [OH]) Aug 14, 2018 7:21 PM
       torn about what to do (by beelocks [NH]) Aug 14, 2018 7:26 PM
       torn about what to do (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 15, 2018 2:30 AM
       torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Aug 15, 2018 5:33 AM
       torn about what to do (by Lynda [TX]) Aug 15, 2018 10:58 AM


torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 5:30 AM
Message:

I have a property that has been difficult to rent out to qualified tenants....changing demographics.

I now have well qualified tenants of one year, so far not a difficult tenancy. Fast forward to now. I discover they have moved in a new golden retriever puppy into a NO PET townhouse. I decided to do nothing because ...difficultly renting and they are super good housekeepers. Also, they are easily collectable and I will go after them for damage. I did however issue a notice to raise their rent.

They sent back a notice they will move unless i do not raise their rent. I ignored their response for over a month, new they have a legitimate repair request and are again wanting to know my decision, before they 'sign paperwork' elsewhere.

My future plans are to convert this property into a place for nurses once the new hospital is completed next year. My question is.. no rent increase this year and boot them next year, or play their bluff knowing they may well move. Oh, I will be

traveling for an extended time right around the time of their move out so looking at an extended vacancy going into winter.

--108.51.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 5:35 AM
Message:

Let them go, they violated with full knowledge --76.188.xxx.xx




torn about what to do (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 5:41 AM
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Prime example of good tenants that are not. What other lease terms are they violating since they have so little respected for your lease terms. Good luck them finding a new place with a large breed puppy. --108.20.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 5:45 AM
Message:

Let em go.

They can’t expect to blatantly violate the lease agreement without repurcussion.

If you back down on this they will walk all over you for the remainder of their tenancy. --166.137.xxx.xx




torn about what to do (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 6:04 AM
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how new is the carpet in the T/home? if it's old my negoiation would be to let them stay-- but the rent has to go to what you set it at. Let them know you have knowledge of the pet and could let it slide this year but you need the renewal to do it. --99.103.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 6:24 AM
Message:

I would also let them go. I agree that this is an example of good tenants "who are not".

I do think you made a mistake in not calling them out on the lease violation.

I would tell them they are in violation of the lease by bringing a dog into the property which you tolerated because they are reliable tenants. But their actions have changed the terms of the agreement. Their current rent amount is for a no pet agreement. If they remove the unauthorized animal you will agree to no increase for another term. This is your preference because you wish to keep the home animal free.

However, because you consider them reliable tenants you will agree to make an exception for this "one pet only" but it comes with an increase in rent at renewal. This gives them an option and tells them that the violation has not gone unnoticed and comes with a consequence but that you are also willing to modify the agreement because you consider them reliable tenants. If they balk, be done with them. --75.89.xx.xxx




torn about what to do (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 6:54 AM
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That's a big puppy and a big dog. Lots of urine damage. I would offer them a one time pet fee and take back the rent increase. That will be a win win situation for both of you. Expect damage to the place but you would have to rehab it anyway for the nurses. Is this going to be a problem for neighbors who will complain about barking etc.? --73.178.xxx.xx




torn about what to do (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 7:09 AM
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I’d raise the rent. They will find it difficult to find a new place with the puppy. I think they are trying to call your bluff. --131.151.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 7:25 AM
Message:

Who owns the unit? You do

You have a lease!!!

Enforce the lease!!!

You are in control, zero tolerance.

Enforce the lease... --99.56.xx.xx




torn about what to do (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 7:36 AM
Message:

You are afraid. Stop being afraid. --204.210.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 8:08 AM
Message:

You had your answer already.

"I'm raising your rent."

"We're gonna move if you raise your rent."

"I accept your 30-day notice. Here's your move-out checklist. Thanks."

Make your repairs as normal. But they already told you last month, they're gone--- y'all are now just playing a very slow-motion game of chicken. :) --96.46.xxx.xx




torn about what to do (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 9:17 AM
Message:

What about this property makes it difficult to rent? Bad location (not easy to fix), odd layout (not easy to fix), or is it something you could fix without much cost/effort?

If you've got a steady source of tenants en route with the hospital, I'd be tempted to keep them where they are at for now. Use the "how much of a raise do you feel you can handle?" tactic. If they say zero, then just bump it by a trifling amount ($20). People who move over $20 per month were moving anyway, regardless of what you were doing to do.

I think this is a "right or rich" scenario, and unfortunately it doesn't sound like you can be both. I'd take rich, and as you said, hit them for the damages after the fact. Bare minimum, their deposit gets used up and they pay any damages and cleaning out of pocket.

Btw, if your lease doesn't have a penalty for moving in unapproved pets, add one. Mine is $300 and I have the option to require them to get rid of the animal immediately or be evicted. Most times, I use this as my "club" to convince them it's a better idea to sign a pet addendum and get the animal officially added, but if they refuse...I take it out of their Sec Deposit and then send the balance to collections. --173.19.x.xxx




torn about what to do (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 9:21 AM
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Given your own situation, I would side with the posts about letting them stay especially if the carpet is old. However, please note that you're in the know about what they did illegally to at least get that on record just in case. I would love to find out what you choose to do so please share your update if you can. I'm personally reeling over what they did. --107.3.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 10:39 AM
Message:

Easy. Don't raise the rent! Give them that in writting.... however charge them a pet fee. Make it retro back to when the pet showed up or start tiday8. $50 pet rent. Dont let them move right now. Yes they are wrong but keep them if you can...work your plan. --99.203.xx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 11:19 AM
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House is all hardwood, this was my last house pre Allure. --108.51.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by rentON [PA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 11:34 AM
Message:

Let them go. Good tenants don't move an unauthorized pet in. And they are refusing your increase. --67.165.xx.xx




torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 11:34 AM
Message:

Sid...that is my quandary. I hear Brad saying pick rich or right. i also hear that maybe this is the time I should try going back to listing with Realtor. I have not done that in years and am wondering if I should give it a try again?

When listed with Realtors I have had a stream of inexperienced realtors just trying to put a 'bad' live body in my rental. --108.51.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 11:34 AM
Message:

Sid...that is my quandary. I hear Brad saying pick rich or right. i also hear that maybe this is the time I should try going back to listing with Realtor. I have not done that in years and am wondering if I should give it a try again?

When listed with Realtors I have had a stream of inexperienced realtors just trying to put a 'bad' live body in my rental. --108.51.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Shelly [IN]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 11:54 AM
Message:

Love Golden Retrievers. I have had them all my life. They are great dogs but are not the brightest when it comes to potty training. They require a lot of working with them to train. Im talking at least every 2 - 3 hours when they are puppies - some take over a year to potty train. Think about what the dog is doing when they are at work during the day. Also, Golden Retrievers shed A LOT! You have to vacuum every single day. I say let them go - it will be cheaper in the long run. --64.184.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:02 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:03 PM
Message:

after a year the damage is done.

what's best for your business... you have a plan.. it require them to be there paying rent for one more year and it require you not to raise the rent...

so play along until you are ready to take back the property and give notice and play on YOUR terms.

Smarter not harder. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 12:33 PM
Message:

sorry, didn't know i was posting that many times... i know you are not hard of reading or hearing. --173.127.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 1:55 PM
Message:

If you make a threat, you have to follow through, otherwise you lose all credibility. You offered to let dog stay with an increase in rent. If they don't take that, they go. This is why we need to think things through if we make any threats. --108.44.xx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 2:12 PM
Message:

No threat, I said i would decide what to do about the dog. I then issued the normal rent increase after one year tenancy. --108.51.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 2:30 PM
Message:

I have lot's of clients that are landlords and landlord friends too. As a contractor and owner/investor, I've seen plenty. Let me first tell you when I ask advice from seasoned landlords, they always say,"raise the rent and if the tenant wants to leave, no big deal"! THAT"S WHAT THEY SAY BUT NOT WHAT THEY PRACTICE.

As an owner of over 100 rentals (apartments, homes and commercial), I evaluate each tenancy separately and do what best in my interest.

I look at my income and appreciation goals. Another vacancy will take valuable time to repair and rent out. Usually it will cost from $2,500 to $4,000 for a turn over and $1,250 in lost rent. So not getting a few extra bucks from a tenant over the next 12 months is really no reason to cry about spilled milk. At a $25 rent raise, that's only $300 per year.

Now when my partner said to me (on a single family home we purchased back in 1980), "Robert why do you play around with the tenant and let them make two monthly payments, we should just get them out and find someone who can pay by the first"!

I told my partner, who's hasn't bothered to inspect the home in over 20 years, it's going to take around $70,000 to do a complete remodel and bring this 1959 home into the modern century. I will get rid of the tenants, but please cut me a check for half, $35,000!

My partner was so over joyed that I work with the tenant and get them to pay the rent in full by the end of the month. He doesn't have an extra 35 grand to shell out......This is the way reality sets in. Cost over practicality. --47.156.xx.xx




torn about what to do (by jenna [PA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 2:38 PM
Message:

If it is difficult to rent out to qualified tenants, i would keep the current tenant with no rent increase this year and boot them next year. Tell them that to avoid the rent increase help keep up the place and keep the repair to a minimum.

Finding qualified tenant and manage a vacate unit might be another challenge. --172.58.xxx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 7:21 PM
Message:

Laura, I think we spoke at Nashville and again at the Cleveland convention, you have some sec8 clients and I wanted to ask how your HUD office is working with the 25foot rule with smokers on HUD funded properties, I have seen some supervision in a couple places and I get the question often with incoming calls about sec8 which they mostly screen themselves out with dogs, boyfriends and credit problems making it fairly easy to decline even setting up a showing. --76.188.xxx.xx




torn about what to do (by beelocks [NH]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 7:26 PM
Message:

As Plenty says, the damage is done.

Bill for damages to date and repair.

Keep them there month-to-month at your rent (Aldo's Rule #1) and bill for new damage when you give them their notice in x months.

If they don't like Aldo's Rule #1, simply refer them to Aldo's Rule #2. --98.229.xxx.xx




torn about what to do (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2018 2:30 AM
Message:

Tenant is not in charge and this won't be the end of them trying to push you around. Raise the rent and don't let them smell fear. --209.122.xx.xxx




torn about what to do (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2018 5:33 AM
Message:

Is this your plan: My future plans are to convert this property into a place for nurses once the new hospital is completed next year. My question is.. no rent increase this year and boot them next year, or play their bluff knowing they may well move.

Question is what the path of least resistance to next year when you can work your plan. --99.203.xx.xxx




torn about what to do (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2018 10:58 AM
Message:

I agree with SID. Instead of raising the rent, which is every month, require them to give you a one-time non-refundable pet FEE. Mine is up to $375 now, but go with Sid's $300. That will give you a $50/mo increase for 6 months. As long as you assure them that any further lease violations, and they will be looking for a new place earlier than they expected.

They just spent a lot of time money and energy for the move INTO your place, and I bet theirs was a hollow threat which they expected would throw you. As stated, their search for a new place is now complicated by having a dog, and they know that too. Just do what is best for your business, and that may be keeping them (?). Also if you find your unit empty again, maybe you can provide housing for some of the many workers on the hospital construction. Someone may find close proximity to the job site will overcome other factors that make this condo hard to rent(?) --108.87.xx.xxx





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