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New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Aug 12, 2018 9:06 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by JB [OR]) Aug 12, 2018 9:33 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Aug 12, 2018 9:33 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by cjo'h [CT]) Aug 12, 2018 11:32 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by cjo'h [CT]) Aug 12, 2018 11:38 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by Steve [MA]) Aug 13, 2018 3:11 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by LindaJ [NY]) Aug 13, 2018 5:06 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Aug 13, 2018 5:49 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by Johnny B. [MA]) Aug 13, 2018 9:58 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by AllyM [NJ]) Aug 13, 2018 10:33 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 13, 2018 1:01 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Aug 13, 2018 4:05 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Aug 13, 2018 4:15 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 13, 2018 7:23 PM
       New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Aug 14, 2018 5:26 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by Robin [WI]) Aug 14, 2018 7:55 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by Still Learning [NH]) Aug 14, 2018 8:32 AM
       New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Aug 14, 2018 4:38 PM


New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2018 9:06 PM
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Hello everyone, i am a 1st time home buyer, less than 3 month with my property, getting ready to rent one unit that just become available less than 3 weeks ago, did some touch ups, thorough cleaning, took pictures, and list it on Zillow (because my realtor was taking too long), i had received several calls, emails, etc, so my questions are:

-It's better to do group showing?

-I just read on a MA page that it is illegal to charge an application or credit check fee, so i am supposed to pay from my pocket for each applicant?

-Which one it's better: 1st Month, Last and Deposit / 1st and Last or 1st and Deposit? And Why?

-Can i add in the rental applications that this may vary depending of the result of their credit report? I mean, if they have a good and clean readi report, just take 1st and deposit, and if they have some small flags, take 1st, last and deposit?

Thank you in advance. --66.30.xxx.x




New Rental Applicants (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2018 9:33 PM
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I can't speak to the MA question, but an open house with a one or two hour timeframe is a fine way to show.

I have started charging a larger deposit, so I ask for first and significant deposit (I would rather have a bigger deposit than last month's rent, but I would take that too if I could get it).

I would at least do a pre-screening so that only somewhat qualified applicants will be invited to my "open house."

And yes, you should be able to increase deposits or extra rent up front, if you stipulate possibility of that up front (may be necessary to compensate for a deficiency in some regard). --50.45.xxx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2018 9:33 PM
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You need to learn your state and local laws, in addition to Fair Housing laws. While you are just trying to find the "best" tenant for your unit, you could easily run afoul of Fair Housing laws if you discriminate against families. MA is a tenant-friendly state.

Write out your rental criteria in terms of income, credit score, employment and LL references. Evaluate everyone against this criteria. Do not go by gut instinct.

The Idaho Apartment Association recommends taking a "Yes, but" approach to less than ideal applicants. Make your criteria public. If less than ideal applicants want to apply, say "Yes but you will need a SD of 2 months instead of one month's rent". This is legal in my state, I beleive MA limits the amount of SD a LL can collect.

--98.146.xxx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2018 11:32 PM
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Zen,I make two signs out of plywood and paint them white.on one I have a sign painter put,in black letters,one bedroom and phone number,on the other in black letters 2 bedroom and phone number,I then put whichever applies in front of the building.Usually the first day,someone is interested.I talk to them and if they like the unit and seem able to afford it.I have them fill out an application with the credit check fee of $35.00.authorization signature to check their credit.when the application comes back,and their credit is good I get a cleaning deposit of in Connecticut of a month and a half rent and first months rent,I draw up a years lease and we both sign it,I keep a copy and give them one with the keys.if the credit report comes back negative they don't hear from me,then I show it to the next prospect,and so on,until the next qualified prospect..................charlie................................our apartments are modern so easy to rent with washer and dryer in each unit....................... --32.214.xxx.xx




New Rental Applicants (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2018 11:38 PM
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Don't rent through Agent,did one time,but their credit check wasn't thorough enough........charlie................................ --32.214.xxx.xx




New Rental Applicants (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 3:11 AM
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Congratulations on purchasing your first rental property.

What part of MA is your property in? Does your city / town require a Board of Health inspection be done prior to allowing someone to move in?

Have you joined a LL group yet? If not I strongly recommend doing it.

Print out a copy of the MA State Sanitation Code as well as any local laws for rental property. I suggest you get, read & understand "Property Management for Massachusetts Rental Owners by H. John Fisher. It's an easy read, well laid out & provides copies of the various forms you'll need.

I presume you already have some sort of rental application. Where did you get it & is it legal in MA?

Will you be renting for a term or month to month? What are you using for a rental agreement? Make sure it is valid in MA?

As you said in MA we LLs are not allowed to charge an application fee. IMO you do not need to use a paid service to check out every applicant. I find that a lot of applicants eliminate them selves by not meeting my rental criteria. If you don't already have one I suggest you develop you own list (include things like incomplete application, not enough income, pets, credit score, number of occupants, smoking, previous evictions, etc). You can also use the MA gov site to check on their court records to help eliminate some of the applicants.

For me, I've found that requiring new tenants to pay first, last, security deposit and a $75.00 lock / key fee works best. Before any new tenants are given keys & allowed to move in all of these funds must be paid in full with either cash or a bank check (no personal checks). I also verify that any tenant paid utilities have been transferred to the new tenants before giving them keys.

Good luck with your new venture. --71.174.xx.xx




New Rental Applicants (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 5:06 AM
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I assume you are living in one of the units since you said first time home buyer. That might give you some leeway that you would not otherwise have in choosing your tenants. Get to know your state and local laws.

Do learn the difference between "home" and "house". Home is where you live, house (or unit) is something you might own where someone else lives - it is their home. The big distinction is the emotions involved in home and houses. You have to keep your emotions in check in this business. I often say to tenants, "it is my house, your home".

Depending on your area, and class of housing, it might be hard to find someone to come up with a large sum of money to pay and move in. Therefore, I get the first months rent (maybe a 1.5 months if they are moving in the middle of a month) and a deposit of at least a months rent. That deposit is held by the LL to cover any damage or cleaning that needs to be taken care of when the tenant leaves. Without that, it is a lot of work to try to get it covered from a leaving tenant.

Last month's rent might be nice too, but that can add up to up front costs. Remember, a lot of tenants do not have savings, live month to month (even the ones with high paying jobs) so for them to come up with that much money might take them out of your pool. If they have iffy credit it is probably less likely. If you wish to "work" with someone, only mention it after they fail the credit report and you know you want to take a chance, otherwise you set yourself up to have to negotiate with people you really don't want.

I prefer individual showings to people I have already somewhat screened before hand. That way, I can talk with each person, make some decisions if I want to discourage them because I DO NOT want to rent. I don't think an agent works in your best interest, and avoid them myself. I also prefer Month 2 month over a lease. With a difficult tenant, I can raise the rent to make it worth my while or give them notice to leave without any reason if I just don't want to deal with them. I do not advertise month 2 month as I am not looking for short term tenants. I only mention it when asked or when time to sign. The agreement is the same as a lease, just called monthly rental agreement. --108.44.xx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 5:49 AM
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It may not seem like it but there is a BIG difference between getting First, Last, and a security deposit and getting First and 2 months of security deposit.

I find it best to get 2 months’ worth of security deposit even if they cannot afford the last month’s rent at sign up time.

--174.130.xxx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 9:58 AM
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I don’t do group showings. I book multiple showings 15 minutes apart on the same day. Sometimes it works out good if the departing prospects see the arriving prospects—the competition works in your favor. You will get a ton of tire kickers through Zillow. Setup prescreening questions and basic qualifications and only show the apartment to prospects that you have prescreened. Make sure to use masscourts. O r g as a screening tool. I always collect first, last, and security. You can’t modify this approach to collect first and 2 months of security. Your security deposit cannot exceed 1 months rent. If you’re in a depressed/low income area it’s possible that you may have trouble finding a tenant that has first, last, and security saved up. Where is your building? The book that Steve[MA] recommended will get you started on the right path. --24.147.xx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 10:33 AM
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Treat everyone the same so you pay for the credit report after you screen via phone and email and have your final two choices. That way one won't be mad when you turn them down. I take first month and one month security. That's it because people don't behave well when you have too much of their money in your bank account for nothing. You may get late rent or have them just be pissed off for the entire tenancy. Yes, the credit check is out of your pocket and an expense on your tax return schedule E, if that still exists this year. It's an investment in your success. --73.178.xxx.xx




New Rental Applicants (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 1:01 PM
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When looking over applications on all adults check the applications that are incomplete then only run thorough credit checks on complete applications. This will cut down the number of credit checks. One way is check out some the information on the rental application like does the place they claim where they work actually exists with the correct address. If the place of work does not exist then toss the rental application in the refused file. A phone book or internet a business can be checked out. --147.194.xxx.xx




New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 4:05 PM
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Thanks everyone for your support.

-Steve

What part of MA is your property in? Does your city / town require a Board of Health inspection be done prior to allowing someone to move in? - Brockton, i haven't look for that information, but i started the process to investigate about the led, i had a 2 year old son and and one of my tenants too.

Have you joined a LL group yet? If not I strongly recommend doing it. - Noo, i haven't done it, do you ? Any recommended?

Print out a copy of the MA State Sanitation Code as well as any local laws for rental property. I suggest you get, read & understand "Property Management for Massachusetts Rental Owners by H. John Fisher. It's an easy read, well laid out & provides copies of the various forms you'll need. - Thanks i will look for that book.

I presume you already have some sort of rental application. Where did you get it & is it legal in MA? - I got one from here, which one you use?

Will you be renting for a term or month to month? What are you using for a rental agreement? Make sure it is valid in MA? - Yes, i rent month to month. I got it from my real estate agent. If is legal? Good question, how do i know the validity of it? Which one you use? --66.30.xxx.x




New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 4:15 PM
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- Thanks LindaJ. Yes i live in.Thanks for all your input.

- Mike SWMO Thanks. MA doesn't allow more than 1 month security.

- Johnny B thanks. Tell me more about your pre-screening question? Can you share them? Masscourt ? Umm didn't knew about it, will check about it. In Brockton is the building.

-Thanks AllyM, that is good to know about the tax stuff.

-Thanks Robert Ontario for the input.

--66.30.xxx.x




New Rental Applicants (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2018 7:23 PM
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That would be tough to not be able to charge an application fee.

That's my first step in screening. The losers hear my requirements and then won't apply because they know they will lose their application fee. If it didn't cost them anything, they would go ahead and apply and hope I didn't find their disqualification. --174.216.x.xx




New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 5:26 AM
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Oregon Woodsmoke yes i know is tough but it is what it is, a lot of people are looking for the smallest details to sue... --66.30.xxx.x




New Rental Applicants (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 7:55 AM
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Normally I'd hold an open house, otherwise you will waste a lot of your time showing your house to people who aren't qualified or are qualified but decide they don't want it. If you actually live there, you might flip the process by prequalifying applicants and then showing it. Agreed that you'll be able to screen most of them out in a five-minute glance over the application. I run the credit report, which is the step that is money out of my pocket, absolutely last when I'm sure that everything else is in order. --204.210.xxx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 8:32 AM
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massrealestate.net meets monthly in Peabody. Great speakers, great resources, Mr. Landord (Jeffrey Taylor) spoke there last year. --76.89.xx.xxx




New Rental Applicants (by LordZen [MA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2018 4:38 PM
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-Robin thanks. When you guys said: prequalifying and screening, what do you men? Can you give me a tour of your prequalifying and screening process?

-Still Learning thanks for sharing, will look it up now.

--66.30.xxx.x





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