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sec deposit & judgement (by Laura [MD]) Jul 20, 2018 8:21 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Ken [NY]) Jul 20, 2018 9:12 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Tom [FL]) Jul 20, 2018 9:51 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Laura [MD]) Jul 20, 2018 9:58 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by OPM [OR]) Jul 21, 2018 1:34 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Jul 21, 2018 4:09 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Richard [MI]) Jul 21, 2018 5:11 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by AllyM [NJ]) Jul 21, 2018 6:04 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Robert J [CA]) Jul 21, 2018 7:09 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Moshe [CA]) Jul 21, 2018 9:11 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by WMH [NC]) Jul 21, 2018 9:23 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by fred [CA]) Jul 21, 2018 10:47 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Ed [PA]) Jul 21, 2018 12:43 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Laura [MD]) Jul 21, 2018 2:25 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Gene [OH]) Jul 21, 2018 2:46 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Jen Z [CT]) Jul 21, 2018 3:06 PM
       sec deposit & judgement (by myob [GA]) Jul 22, 2018 4:31 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Vee [OH]) Jul 22, 2018 7:25 AM
       sec deposit & judgement (by Nicole [PA]) Jul 22, 2018 9:29 AM


sec deposit & judgement (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Jul 20, 2018 8:21 PM
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I have a tenant who did not provide a new address for the return of the security deposit. It was an acrimonious departure as I declined renewing her lease. She is a game player and I am assuming she thinks I am stupid enough to not send the accounting and she can get 3 times the security deposit.

I will of course send the accounting to the last address I have for her….my address and I will send it certified (with return service requested). It will be returned to me. I will save it as proof I sent it on time.

THIS IS MY QUESTION. She is of course due some of the deposit back. I will have adequate documentation for the deductions I am taking. That is NOT MY CONCERN. My concern is she will win the case & I will get a judgement against me for the amount of the security deposit she is due. I am NOT worried about her getting 3 time she security deposit, as I will have done what I was required to do within the prescribed timeline.

However, she is due $XXX and a court case will result in a judgement against me for the $XXX security deposit due her. I have seen this happen numerous times in court. Landlord ends up with judgement against them for the security amount due to the tenant. Even though the tenant’s actions (or lack of) caused the landlords inability to return the security deposit due the tenant.

MY QUESTION IS: how can I avoid the judgment against me for the security deposit she is due when I do NOT have a good address to return the money to her.

--108.51.xxx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 20, 2018 9:12 PM
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I would send it to the last known address,certified return receipt requested unless your state doesn't allow that,if you get it back put it in your file,if she sues you show the judge the letter was returned to you and explain why and hand her the check,then she has the money and no judgment against you.It shouldn't come to that since if she had her mail forwarded it will just go to the new address. --72.231.xxx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Jul 20, 2018 9:51 PM
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Send the security deposit accounting less any deduction: damages, unpaid rents, non payment of water and sewage, garbage... to her last known address. That was most likely your units address that she rented. certified mail with return receipt. ALSO if you have a cell phone number AND email address for her send notice of the security deposit and include the certified mail tracking number as well. You will have the documentation from the post office and your texting/email. This will cover you IF she does take you to court.

IF you do nothing then the X tenant will have a clear case against you.

HOWEVER,

You mentioned sec deposit and judgement. She may take you to court any way with the judgement. IF so you should have check-in and check out list, before and after pictures to cover you plus the bills to make the damage repairs that the tenant caused. --99.56.xx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Jul 20, 2018 9:58 PM
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I want to be clear. Unless she has already received the security deposit money she will win the case, I have seen it in court multiple times before. As I stated originally, I will send the account via certified mail- return service requested to the last address I have for her- my rental address. But BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT RECEIVED THE sec. deposit money SHE WILL WIN IN COURT. I HAVE SEEN THIS MULTIPLE TIMES IN COURT.

MY QUESTION IS: how can I avoid the judgment against me for the security deposit she is due when I do NOT have a good address to return the money to her.

--108.51.xxx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by OPM [OR]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 1:34 AM
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Laura.. what is the statute process in MD.. for returning..

it.

1st class mail or does MD allow several methods as long as the statatory method is used?

And yes some tenant do not tell you, however again Statute may also say they must provide one.. --162.247.xx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 4:09 AM
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My court clerk is always helpful to me when I have questions --24.34.xx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 5:11 AM
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Can you deposit this amount with the court?

Seems like your judge has their own opinion on this, as you say?

Why not talk to the judge and see how he/she advises how to deal with this. --66.188.xx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 6:04 AM
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OK, send her a regular letter to last known address and tell her that she has x dollars that she will be receiving back and that you need an address so you can send a certified letter with the check. That is wwhat I do. You have to communicate or you will find yourself in hot water and with the liberal judges these days it could cost you. So you be the smart one here. Do you have an application with names of close relatives etc. on it? Find her. Anything else is just playing games and standing in front of a Mac truck waiting to get hit. --73.178.xxx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 7:09 AM
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I sent my X-tenant back their security deposit to their last known address, the apartment that they rented from me. This was done within the 21 day allowable period. The refund check and accounting sat in their mailbox for 2 weeks before I retrieved it.

The I went down to my local post office and confirmed, in writing, that my tenant hadn't put in for a change of address. She was dogging collectors.

Then about six months later my x-tenant sued me in small claims court for not refunding her deposit. The judge didn't believe that she hadn't put in for a change of address. That's until I handed over the deposit refund sealed envelope post marked and a stack of collection letters also found in the mailbox. Also a from from the post office that there was no forwarding address and I asked for all mail to be returned to sender. Then the judge believed me and gave my tenant, without my permission the refund check. It was over six months old and I had put a stop payment....I didn't tell them that.... --47.156.xx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 9:11 AM
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1. Robert has violated federal law by collecting mail from the mailbox. He should have returned to sender.

2. CA may be different in that CA law specifically directs landlord to send deposit return to address of the vacated property if no forwarding address has been provided.

3. By sending deposit to address of the vacated property, landlord has complied exactly with the law, and with a postal receipt, he is bulletproof in court. Judge does not have power to give refund check, which was submitted as evidence by landlord, to tenant. He can only issue orders for that a defendant pay money to petitioner.

3. Checks are void after 90 days even without a stop payment order.

--47.139.xx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 9:23 AM
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Not true about void, Moshe. Unless it is stamped on the check, maybe. But I've cashed checks many months old. Even a check with a STOP PAYMENT on it can be cashed if you wait long enough, because the Stop Payment only lasts for so long.

Laura/MD, I'm sorry your courts would not see that sending the check to the last known address is enough. That seems quite incredible and unless it was you saying it, I would have said the previous landlord did something wrong.

In NC all we have to do is drop it in the mail to their FORWARDING (not property) address. If they don't give us one, we have to hold their funds for six months. --50.82.xxx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 10:47 AM
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Laura,

I don't understand why you call it a judgement against the LL, when a small claim judge says to the LL: return the sec deposit less all expenses to tenant.

LL just did that and showed the judge the envelope that came back.

I had this happen to me one time, and the judge's order to return the balance to the tenant, which what I tried to do,

never went on my credit report. Meaning: it was not a judgement. --99.59.x.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Ed [PA]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 12:43 PM
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Mail the accounting and balance of security to the last known address - your apartment. If she doesn't have her mail forwarded it will come back to you. If/when she sues take it to court unopened. Let the judge open it for her. If she didn't provide forwarding address required by law and you made an honest attempt to return it no judge will find for her and you will not have a judgement against you. --72.95.xxx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 2:25 PM
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Moshe nailed it- "Judge does not have power to give refund check, which was submitted as evidence by landlord, to tenant. He can only issue orders for that a defendant pay money to petitioner." this results in a PERMANENT court record with a JUDGEMENT for the amount. The fact that you mailed it to last address (your property address) does NOT remove the fact that you still owe the money. It means you will not get any penalties but it DOES NOT remove the fact that you will have a PERMANENT COURT RECORD SHOWING A JUDGEMENT for $XXX on your record. I have seen this several times in action in court.

AGAIN what I am looking for is strategies to avoid getting a court record showing a judgement. JUST MAILING THE CHECK TO THE LAST ADDRESS DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM of avoiding a JUDGEMENT on your record.

FYI...if you pay it right away (i.e. choosing to hand over the check) then is record will show PAID so it does not end up on your credit report.

--108.51.xxx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Gene [OH]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 2:46 PM
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Why not speak with an eviction attorney? I am sure that they have been in situations like this many times and can then give you the advice and support you need if it goes to court. --99.165.xx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Jen Z [CT]) Posted on: Jul 21, 2018 3:06 PM
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Please check your laws again and see what the provision is for if the tenant does not provide a forwarding address. Call the attorney general and find out. I would just send a copy of the letter regular mail and the letter and check via certified mail. If it gets returned, then you have proof that it was returned. You have to be found to have been willfully withholding it. I am also seeing in NJ laws that for domestic violence victims, the municipal clerk can be given the deposit as the tenant's agent. See if that works for terminations of lease. --32.211.xxx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jul 22, 2018 4:31 AM
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If no address given by tennat to you to return deposit- you return it to THEIR LAST KNOWN ADDRESS that be the rental.

as far as judgement. if you don't go to court - its automatic win for plaintiff (your tenant). Judge will find in their favor since your not there. that gets recorded as judgment against you and your right that can hurt you credit wise. The judgement, on the other hand, can't be collected on unless there has been PERSONEL SERVICE" that means a server for th ecourt located you and will swear you were served. Thats when the garnishment can start. So your on the court record for the no show in court and guilty but can't be collected on unless your personally served.

On one of our cases the tenant won and when they did we went to the next higher court to appeal -- but guess what? that judgemnt from the lower court is still in the record and we've had to explain that every time we apply for credit-- we appealed and won here's the court doc showing we won. Old judgemtn still showing in lower court record. --99.103.xxx.xxx




sec deposit & judgement (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jul 22, 2018 7:25 AM
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I have not encountered any pushback for mailing to last known address, that is spelled in our state tenant laws. But if I had these rules you speak of my best answer would be to mail to the court clerk on behalf of the old tenant - your honor the mail was signed for by the court staff on this day, within court timing subpoena the clerk? --76.188.xxx.xx




sec deposit & judgement (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jul 22, 2018 9:29 AM
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Laura, I get what you're saying. If you pay immediately, here, the judgment would stay at the magistrate/small claims level and wouldn't be picked up by the credit bureaus. It would show that it was settled/satisfied/paid in full/whatever that same day and anyone looking at it would know what happened. In other words, a nonissue.

Perhaps there would be a way for the judge to "settle" the case prior to judgment when they see what happened and you have a certified check in the court room to replace the first check. --72.70.xxx.x





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