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Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 20, 2018 10:44 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by Livethedream [AZ]) Jun 20, 2018 11:05 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 20, 2018 11:21 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by plenty [MO]) Jun 21, 2018 3:27 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Jasper [OH]) Jun 21, 2018 4:28 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Jun 21, 2018 4:43 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Jun 21, 2018 4:43 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Jun 21, 2018 4:43 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 5:01 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Jun 21, 2018 5:07 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 5:25 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Jeffrey [VA]) Jun 21, 2018 5:27 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by LindaJ [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 5:31 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Jeffrey [VA]) Jun 21, 2018 5:34 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Frank [NJ]) Jun 21, 2018 5:36 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by DannyC [MO]) Jun 21, 2018 5:37 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Still Learning [NH]) Jun 21, 2018 5:41 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Barb [MO]) Jun 21, 2018 5:41 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 6:03 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 21, 2018 6:10 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Vee [OH]) Jun 21, 2018 6:10 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 6:23 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 6:31 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Busy [WI]) Jun 21, 2018 6:45 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by LindaJ [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 7:24 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 21, 2018 10:18 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Robin [WI]) Jun 21, 2018 11:52 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 11:53 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 12:06 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 12:55 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 12:55 PM
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       Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 1:37 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 1:44 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 21, 2018 2:40 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by Busy [WI]) Jun 21, 2018 6:41 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 7:27 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by LindaJ [NY]) Jun 21, 2018 7:43 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by Nicole [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 8:11 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 21, 2018 9:11 PM
       Rooming House Fire (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 22, 2018 5:34 AM
       Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 22, 2018 8:40 AM
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Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2018 10:44 PM
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Just got home from the rooming house. There was a stove fire today. It didn't cause a lot of damage other than ruining the stove and some ceiling paint. A new idiot tenant who I rented to caused it. (I rented to this couple against my better judgement). By the time I got there, the street was filled with police and fire trucks. The entire block was blocked off and all tenants were evacuated from the building. The whole block was out. It was crazy and an overwhelming response and totally out of proportion to the problem.

These same tenants were responsible for setting off false alarms two times previously and had been there less than a month. Today, they were cooking with grease on an electric stove. The fire chief thought they overheated the grease and that's what got out of control. I terminated those tenants today (they had been the source of other problems).

I'll call it into my insurance tomorrow. My rates are high enough as it is. Hopefully they won't spike any further. But worst than that is another code inspection. I had a code inspection I just completed a year ago and now they want to do another top to bottom inspection. They claim it's to help me, but these are punitive and a way for the city to hit you with a bunch of junk fees. This particular municipality is a PITA about this and my concern is being over the occupancy limit. (I'm over by 1 person). I didn't build any extra rooms, but did rent the area that was my former office. I also put in a laundromat without permits, so I'll probably get dinged on that. I'll may need to do some changes prior to the inspection to reduce occupancy which means a vacancy on top of the one I'm going to have with the tenant who started the fire.

While it wasn't a good day, I'm very thankful it wasn't far worst. I should have never rented to this tenant. They were out of control and immature from day one with stupid stuff. My deductible is $ 1000 so whatever rent they paid is going right back out to cover that. They were there less than a month. From the looks of it, I have the stove to replace, wall repair, a kitchen cabinet and some painting. I don't even think that comes up to $ 1000. I'm not sure if that's even worth claiming.

--207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Livethedream [AZ]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2018 11:05 PM
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If not over the limit I wouldn't claim it. I consider insurance for catastrophic replacement.

I'd move those folks out tomorrow - pay for a motel for a week.

Pull out the laundry.

Are the other tenants going to sue for damages? Who's putting them up? --47.216.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2018 11:21 PM
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A used stove will cost me $ 200. All the damages are less than $ 1000. The ceiling has smoke damage and can probably just be repainted. Damages are probably no more than $ 1000 and probably less.

Those tenants will be out tomorrow at 6. They paid a week's rent in advance and I'll refund that and keep their SD which is around $ 450. They can take the rent refund and figure out what they're going to do.

The other tenants have no standing to claim anything. Nothing of theirs was damaged.

I can't pull out the laundromat. It's basically two washers and a dryer. They'll ding me for the plumbing permit if they catch it. They may not catch it. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 3:27 AM
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Sorry to read about all that. Sounds like it's possible to handle the clean up without the insurance. Good that no one got hurt and that the lease with lease with Sparky and Olive Oil ended before something worst happened. And now you know to trust your gut. Worst is dealing with city and code. You'll go thru it and have a better building than ever. Good thing that other residents were around... Image those two unsupervised or left to their own! --99.203.xx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by Jasper [OH]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 4:28 AM
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Why is there a stove in your rooming house? --71.30.xx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 4:43 AM
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GKARL you've been posting lately on how you want to loosen the rules in the rooming house...to me it sounds like maybe it's time to get tougher instead? --72.188.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 4:43 AM
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GKARL you've been posting lately on how you want to loosen the rules in the rooming house...to me it sounds like maybe it's time to get tougher instead? --72.188.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 4:43 AM
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Sorry about double post. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:01 AM
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I don't know how I can avoid stoves. I could just have microwaves I suppose. My thought is that they remove the temptation for them to bring hot plates into their rooms. Perhaps I need to rethink. Loosening any rules is off the table. I watched to security camera playback and this fire started by them leaving their pot unattended on the stove. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:07 AM
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I lived in a couple of extended stay hotels for computer contract jobs in other cities for a few months at a time (years ago). It seemed like the same type of people living there that you are describing and there was no stove in the rooms at these places and people still lived there long term.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:25 AM
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I wouldn't turn it in to the insurance company,i would consider hiring one of the existing tenants to do the cleanup.I would consider suing the tenants who caused the problem in small claims court.I would tell the building inspectorno thanks I don't need you to do an inspection if the only reason you are doing it is to help me,then I would shut my mouth and look right at him and stay quiet and see what he says,he may just go away but not likely but otherwise he will be forced to admit that he is there against your wishes,i don't let any of them try to screw me and tell me it is for my own good.Maybe without your permission he has no right to go in and I would tell him he cant go in,make him force the situation --72.231.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:27 AM
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I agree with LTD, I do not see the advantage in this case to file a claim with the insurance company. --72.214.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:31 AM
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I would think a stove is a plus, even to warm a frozen pizza. Which saves the tenant money over buying one from the pizza palace. Even college dorms have a kitchen down the hall with a stove. Maybe you need to make it more fireproof, SS back splash and over the ceiling? Maybe toughen some rules for frying with large amount of grease and/or unattended cooking. A lot of fires are started with frying.

I would not submit to my insurance, I too only want insurance for catastrophic losses, like half the building burned down. Even as seasoned LL we learn something everyday... One of the biggest - trust your gut feeling.

Probably the worst part of all of this will be inspection. --108.44.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:34 AM
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Ken, that's really tempting fate to totally stand down the inspector and make him force the issue. The inspectors in my area (if I didn't already have a good relationship with them) would not take kindly to my opposition and then come down extra hard on me once they do the inspection. It could then end up costing me a whole lot more frustration, time and money. --72.214.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:36 AM
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I would not be turning in a claim of thisbsize, esp with a rooming house, nor would I even think of hiring a Roomer to do repairs. I do not know why you are not keeping the security deposit. As to the inspector @ I would get deep into local code books to confirm the requirements for the requested fishing expedition. --174.225.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by DannyC [MO]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:37 AM
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#1 why call insurance company? Do the repairs and move on if it is just replace stove and paint? On the ceiling I would make sure to use a good primer/sealer before repainting to help with the smoke damage.

Second, as someone who volunteers with the fire department, street filled with Fire And police is a good thing. Kitchen fires Is one of the most common fire call. Majority of the time by the time arrival on the scene it is out and just the smoke remains. Will put a high powered fan up to help quickly ventilate and that is all. But sometimes it is a lot worse. In our department a call for a fire will get 6-10 fire trucks/ambulance/command vehicles. Much better to have All show up and not be needed and repleased than have 1 show up and the house be fully involved --75.50.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:41 AM
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I wouldn’t file. You are over by 1. Can you move the one in the old office to the vacant room from getting rid of the other two. Now you are not over if they inspect. During the inspection ask what it would take to up the occupancy permit by 1 since you no longer need your office. Could being over by one impact your insurance in a catastrophic event? --24.61.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 5:41 AM
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I don’t see a reason to involve insurance at the moment.

I would look at wrapping with stainless steel, and also install these over the stove fire stop devices.

I think having a stove is a real plus for people. Allows them to eat real food, not just microwave stuff that is less healthy. If you take out the stove, you’ll end up with electric skillets, countertop grills and similar being snuck in. --64.251.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:03 AM
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Jeffrey,at least in my area the majority of the building inspectors are bullies and the best way to deal with a bully is to stand up to them,I have the right attitude and physical size to do it and I usually get away with it,i think the typical bully can see fear in people and when they realize I am not scared of them they go looking for an easier target.It works for me but maybe not most people.I started doing rentals when I was 20 and got pushed around a lot by inspectors and have learned how to deal with them in this manner as I got older. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:10 AM
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Yay for the security camera footage. Sounds like it came in handy.

When we were in the dorms, I think the most we could have in our individual rooms was an electric ramen noodle cooker. Everything else, there was a kitchen on each floor, with a stove and a fridge and a microwave. Hot plates were banned. Most of us were on the meal plan, but the cafeterias were closed Sunday night--- so we had the choice of either going out to eat, or (for those of us on a budget) getting those little frozen pot pies/frozen pizzas/frozen burritos/pot-o-ramen/whatever. Pretty much no actual cooking went on.

I'd expect people in a boarding house to be on a similar food budget, although they'd be more likely to have a crock pot or an instant pot in their arsenal. --96.46.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:10 AM
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I am with the fix it yourself crowd here, and you may have a existing tenant who can wash the soot with old clothes and toss, seal-prime-paint the next day after the washing dries out, stoves - you already know, save the coils for the next failure - many use the same coil connector, clean everywhere before inspection people arrive. no need for insurance to get involved - if more folks took care of these things all our rates would drop. --76.188.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:23 AM
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The worst part of this thing is the fishing expedition. My new six unit is in the same town and I'm dealing with code remediation and change of use there, so I can not afford to antagonize the city. I'm going to have to play along. That means dealing with whatever I need to deal with at the rooming house. The code guy was trying to nic pick stuff last night. First thing I'm going to deal with is bringing the occupancy down, so that means another vacancy for now.

--172.58.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:31 AM
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Ken, it's the luck of the draw here on inspectors. Some are okay. Others are complete idiots. I don't know what I'm going to draw here. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:45 AM
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Couldn't imagine turning in any claim for less than $5000.

Also could not imagine ever supplying a stove in a rooming house. Me, I'd have a centrally located kitchenette outfitted like a workplace break room. Fridge, two three microwaves, and a sink. Cleaned weekly. Provide outlets in each room to handle small fridge and microwave. Tenants can buy an inexpensive pizza oven for their room, also their own microwave, fridge, so they don't have to use the community ones.

That would be how I'd do it. I used licensed contractors and pull permits so I don't have to sweat someone finding me out. --172.58.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 7:24 AM
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As for standing up to the code inspector... you have to make your judgement on that day with that inspector. I have always talked nice with them... ask them where the code is, how it reads. You are trying to get the knowledge to do it right, ask if doing xx will also meet the code if they are requiring yy. Feign ignorance at times. My contractor didn't get a permit for that??

Now I admit to doing all of that... maybe being a tall blonde let me get away with it, being all the inspectors in my area are men. Your mileage may vary! I do find that confrontation doesn't get far if you are not nice about it. --108.44.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 10:18 AM
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GKARL,

Do NOT contact ins co!

My agent tells me that every time I CALL and ASK it goes on my record, whether I file a claim or not.

The CALL goes on the house's file too so later when I go to sell the new ins agency will see "fire".

My friend's ins was cancelled because he called to ask

-radio stolen from car, covered?

-leather jacket stolen at college, covered?

-real house fire. Coverage cancelled and he had to pay super high rates for coverage for the next few years from a company that insures "high risk" people.

To me a stove fire is a simple clean up. Swap out the stove, wash down the soot, prime with Zinsser SMOKE SEALER, and paint.

Consider spraying the inside of the cabinets too because hey will hold odor.

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 11:52 AM
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GKARL, thank you for taking the time to share your rooming house experiences. I read them with great interest and am storing your practices in the back of my mind as a potential area to expand our business at some point in the future.

Don't file the claim. Instead of pulling the laundry room, could you move a bookshelf in front of the door? :) --204.210.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 11:53 AM
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As usual the support and the advice here is spot on. I'm going to implement a few changes. The main one will be hiring one of the tenants for on site management to assist me in ensuring tenant adherence to rules and alerting me to problematic behavior. I assign him some cleaning duties and have him show vacancies. I'll retain the authority to vet applicants and mete out sanctions. I have one particular tenant in mind for this and we'll discuss today. He occupies my 9x10 room. I'll move him into the larger room that I'm evicting the tenants from today. It's a more expensive room that I'll give him at a discount in exchange for the assigned duties. This is the guy awaiting a hip replacement who's getting 1900 in SSI monthly. I'm going to meet with him later today.

I'm not reporting the fire but will have my handyman handle the fix up this weekend. --172.58.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 12:06 PM
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GKARL,if it is the luck of the draw can you influence the draw.In the city where I got my start 30 years ago there were 5 inspectors and they were each assigned to stay in the office one day each week,since I only got along with two of them I would only stop in for permits on one of there assigned days so when I needed a permit I applied for it on one of there assigned days which meant they were the inspector for that job.Anything like that to make it easier for you? --72.231.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 12:55 PM
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I'm not sure how these guys are set up. I've been dealing with one particular inspector for both of the properties I have in this town and he's cool. The guy last night was nic picking at the gutter, trash on the street that wasn't related to my place and trying to say that a tenant's stuff in a closet made it appear that someone was living in there. (She wasn't. She just had her stuff stored in a hallway closet because she doesn't have one in her room). This is the sort of crap that I have to deal with. There is one guy who's a complete idiot, so I hope I don't draw him. I can deal with the guy who was there last night, so hopefully he'll be back. Here's the thing though---I just went through this in March of last year to get my C of O and they normally schedule it every four years. Nothing material has changed from last year to now, so how is it that you approved something last year that's a problem now. Another example, the doors on the kitchen have some sort of padding on them that the fire chief claims are flammable. The inspector didn't have an issue with the same doors a year ago. Basically, they were looking for "problems". To a certain extent, I understand that, but some of the stuff was like looking for a piece of lint on an otherwise nice suit of clothes.

One of the things I will do is determine what is done procedurally after a fire and whether that's cause to accelerate an inspection that otherwise should only occur every four years. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 12:55 PM
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I'm not sure how these guys are set up. I've been dealing with one particular inspector for both of the properties I have in this town and he's cool. The guy last night was nic picking at the gutter, trash on the street that wasn't related to my place and trying to say that a tenant's stuff in a closet made it appear that someone was living in there. (She wasn't. She just had her stuff stored in a hallway closet because she doesn't have one in her room). This is the sort of crap that I have to deal with. There is one guy who's a complete idiot, so I hope I don't draw him. I can deal with the guy who was there last night, so hopefully he'll be back. Here's the thing though---I just went through this in March of last year to get my C of O and they normally schedule it every four years. Nothing material has changed from last year to now, so how is it that you approved something last year that's a problem now. Another example, the doors on the kitchen have some sort of padding on them that the fire chief claims are flammable. The inspector didn't have an issue with the same doors a year ago. Basically, they were looking for "problems". To a certain extent, I understand that, but some of the stuff was like looking for a piece of lint on an otherwise nice suit of clothes.

One of the things I will do is determine what is done procedurally after a fire and whether that's cause to accelerate an inspection that otherwise should only occur every four years. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 1:22 PM
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Today I go by the rooming house and there's a violation warning stuck on my door for trash. In the rush of last night's events, someone forgot to put out the toters, so this morning's trash pickup was missed. I put them out this morning and called the trash company to pickup tomorrow. Last night one of the neighbors left their maggot covered trash bags in front of my place and the code inspector took a picture of them. I told him that those bags were not from my place, yet someone drives by to "check" today and gives me a warning. I call the guy up to explain the missed trash pickup and he knew about the trash from last night (this was a different code inspector). I told him those were not mine and he suggests I call the police to complain about the neighbor. This is an example of the type of nic picking stuff that's encountered in this municipality. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 1:37 PM
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GKARL,you are successful and the little low paid minions are resentful of you --72.231.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 1:44 PM
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Ken, that hadn't crossed my mind as I try to maintain a low profile, but come to think of it, these inspectors would know every landlord in the town and yes, resentment or worst is a possibility. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 2:40 PM
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GKARL,

No discounts to helpers. Regular rent, then write him a check AFTER he earns a check.

The proper rent will show on the lease for when he stops helping or when you fire him. And a discount does not get any work out of people or they start to feel entitled.(stealing)

NEVER entangle the relationships. Ask me how I know!

This rule comes right after NEVER rent to family or friends.

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 6:41 PM
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Ken, that is a very interesting point about inspectors. Something to keep in mind when we deal with them. I mean schmooze with them. *grin* --172.58.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 7:27 PM
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Brad:

Point noted, but the discount is $ 25 a week. I suppose I could just cut the check monthly and keep him paying his rent as it is. There's a whole psychological thing of getting a check also. You tend to "see" a check more than you see a discount. I think I handle paying him via Zelle so it's easier administratively for me. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 7:43 PM
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So an inspection now means the clock starts again and you won't be due another inspection for 4 years?

I really hate the code enforcers, inspectors. For the most part they seem to really like throwing their authority around because they can. --108.44.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 8:11 PM
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I remember when you were talking about adding the extra room from the commercial space. If they realize what you did, they will hammer you ... make it storage or something before they come back.

I said it before ... having a tenant in a rooming house be "in charge" is a recipe for disaster on SO many different levels ... it's going to make things tougher in the long run when you have to deal with this. --72.70.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 21, 2018 9:11 PM
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Nicole: That room will definitely go back to being storage/office for now until this blows over. I'm very mindful of potential issues with "in charge" tenants. I think I'm going to keep him away from the enforcement role and more along the lines of maintenance and alerting me to problems. I will, in turn, deal with the tenants. --207.172.xx.xxx




Rooming House Fire (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2018 5:34 AM
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re: neighbor's maggotty trash, do you have an extra camera or two covering the important bits of the exterior? That takes a whole lot of special to do something like that, and I doubt it's a one-time thing. Having a photo of it, along with a letter with some pertinent cc's, would stop it pretty promptly. --96.46.xxx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2018 8:40 AM
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Good suggestion Deanna. I have a camera out front and I'll check it, however, I don't think it's trained on that area. --172.56.xx.xx




Rooming House Fire (by Beth [WI]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2018 10:00 AM
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I had many trash issues with an 8 unit in a cul de sac. Not enough room for all the trash containers. And somehow, other buildings trash containers ended up on our lot. Then, every trash container was labeled with an address. That cut down on the problem a great deal. AND the inspectors knew who to fine. --66.87.xxx.xx



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