Cost of Expanding
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Cost of Expanding (by Johnny B. [MA]) Jun 14, 2018 5:25 PM
       Cost of Expanding (by David [NC]) Jun 14, 2018 5:47 PM
       Cost of Expanding (by JB [OR]) Jun 14, 2018 8:12 PM
       Cost of Expanding (by Smokowna [MD]) Jun 15, 2018 5:00 AM
       Cost of Expanding (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 15, 2018 6:54 AM
       Cost of Expanding (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jun 15, 2018 4:41 PM
       Cost of Expanding (by MMIT [VA]) Jun 16, 2018 10:27 AM
       Cost of Expanding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 17, 2018 10:34 PM
       Cost of Expanding (by Sisco [MO]) Jun 18, 2018 5:02 AM
       Cost of Expanding (by Chris [CT]) Jun 18, 2018 10:27 AM
       Cost of Expanding (by Johnny B. [MA]) Jun 18, 2018 10:35 AM


Cost of Expanding (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 5:25 PM
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I got involved with buying rental properties in 2011 and did the majority of my buying in a down real estate market. I’d like to keep buying, but I can’t determine if it’s a smart business decision it today’s market. On one hand I think that its foolish to pay today’s prices for the type of properties I was able to buy for significantly less a few years ago. On the other hand is it wise to delay expanding for the hope that prices come down in the near future, which may not happen anytime soon? For those that have been investing for many years and have weathered multiple rises and falls in the housing market, what have you found to be the best approach? --24.147.xx.xxx




Cost of Expanding (by David [NC]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 5:47 PM
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Not an expert here but I am buy what I can, when I can. If you wait 10 years until prices come down where would you have been if you hadn't. You are buying cash flow, so as long as your properties cash flow to your satisfaction I think today is the time to buy. I wish I had started 20 years ago. I could have retired already. --65.188.xxx.xxx




Cost of Expanding (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 8:12 PM
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You have probably heard that old RE adage a million times, "Don't wait to buy, buy and wait."

Nevertheless, I know what I'm doing. I haven't purchased anything in over two years. What is your gut telling you? --50.45.xxx.xx




Cost of Expanding (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2018 5:00 AM
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Look between the cracks.

You have cheap money available to you now, look at the odd properties. A one bathroom home which could easily be made into a two bath or three bath home and rented to young adult friends.

Or odd ball properties. A friend had a chance to buy a two car garage. Nothing else on the property...I bother the friend about this to this day.....that garage was big enough to make into an apartment....that garage is down the street from Yale University. That 30,000 ship sailed.

--96.241.xxx.xx




Cost of Expanding (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2018 6:54 AM
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We bought one house our first year. (2010)

We bought five houses our second year. (2011)

We bought two in 2012, 0 in 2013, 3 in 2014, 1 in 2015, 6 in 2016, 6 in 2017, and 1 in 2018.

Some years, it's okay to not buy anything. Save your resources (time/energy/money), just kind of hunker down with what you have and make sure your roofs and major systems are in good shape and there aren't any ugly surprises waiting to pounce on your budget.

Other years, people will throw houses at you. You will turn down perfectly fine houses because your plate is too full to properly manage them. And that's okay, too.

If an opportunity presents itself-- go for it! But don't try and force an opportunity out of something that doesn't exist.

That said, sometimes "normal" does change. That's the hard part, telling the difference between "new normal" and "a bubble that will pop".

For example, even in my small/poor/rural, town, when we first moved here in 2006, land was $500-$750/acre. Four years later, you couldn't touch anything under 200 acres for less than $2k/acre. We thought we'd let the prices drop back down "to normal"... but eight years later, things are still very solidly at $2k/acre, minimum, and is unlikely to ever go back down to where it was.

Housing prices, on the other hand, have been solidly connected to oil & gas. When oil & gas prices are in the basement, you can get a humble little starter home, cosmetically dated but otherwise move-in ready, for about $25-$40k, and you probably have five or six homes to choose from because they're just parked on the market. When oil is over $100/barrel, those same sorts of houses sell for $80-$100k, and you're lucky to find one if you can.

So-- that's one example of two different types of real estate in the same market acting in totally different ways over a certain period of time. You need to figure out what your market's habits are, so you can tell the difference between "new normal" and "temporary bubble", but even so, you'll never be 100% positive-- or 100% accurate. :) --96.46.xxx.xx




Cost of Expanding (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2018 4:41 PM
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The market is high right now, but buyers demand pristine condition houses. If you're willing to buy something that needs repairs, a remodel, or maybe is functionally unappealing, you can get a bargain. Unless it's in a bad neighborhood or busy intersection, money fixes everything. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Cost of Expanding (by MMIT [VA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2018 10:27 AM
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I have been buying investment properties since 2010 and am faced with the same problem. I have asked the same question to the local investors who have been buying property for several decades. Their response is that there are always deals out there.

I have looked at the GIS for the properties they own and it looks like they were buying with the "1%" guideline. Once the market busted, they were able to get "2%". So, it looks like going forward we will not be getting the returns we have been getting over the past few years. The real estate market cycles every few years. But, I have never seen the market cycle as low as it did in 2009. So, I do not expect to see the 2009 prices again.

A common theme I picked up from the St Louis conference was to change your business strategy and start buying properties at wholesale prices. The presentation by Wolffs and Ron LeGrand focused on wholesale buying. --71.68.xx.xx




Cost of Expanding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2018 10:34 PM
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Johnny B,

Money is made in ALL markets, up and down.

I see a lot of young people trying to analyze "the market". They want Google to give them metrics and advice, trying to pick the next up and coming area, as if they were building a multi-million dollar apt complex in one shot...over-analyzing to justify their fear of action.

Me? If it's a deal today, I buy it. Sure some wre not as good as others but in the end *I* own the property and can do something with it. If not I drive by it and say "If only".

Be wise, know the numbers on that property, don't over extend your credit, and make each purchase profitable on it's own merit as is right now.

A beauty of individual homes is diversification of my investments. Some are better than others but each are not dependent on the others.

Also, I look for motivated sellers who are not trying to maximize their sale. They just want out or a bank owed who just want to dump it.

Here's a fable I use daily: While traveling by horseback thru the night an inner voice told the man that when he crossed the creek to stop and pick up some stones from the creekbed. In the morning he would be both happy and sad.

That night when he crossed the creek he stopped in the dark, reached down, grabbed a handful of stones, put them in his pocket and rode on.

At daylight he pulled the stones from his pocket and saw they were valuable gems - he was happy!

Then his happiness turned sorrow as he realized - "I have TWO hands!"

Get what you can in each market cycle and keep moving forward. RE is so big you won't be grabbing ALL the deals, just get what you can and deal with those.

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Cost of Expanding (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2018 5:02 AM
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Sell. --72.172.xxx.xx




Cost of Expanding (by Chris [CT]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2018 10:27 AM
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You can find deals in every market, the only thing that changes is how you find them.

A few years ago you could find a few decent deals on the MLS now no way, even if one does show up it gets overbid. Same with auctions those used to be good to, now every HGTV flipper with a contractor and a cashed out 401k is overpaying for anything just to do a deal.

You have to look for off market deals these days just like 10 years ago.

--24.45.xxx.xxx




Cost of Expanding (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2018 10:35 AM
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. Lots of good advice here. I’m going to work on increasing my efforts to find off market properties. Thanks again. --98.216.xxx.xxx





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