Hoarders (by bet [MA]) Jun 13, 2018 9:05 AM|
Hoarders (by #22 [MO]) Jun 13, 2018 9:12 AM
Hoarders (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 13, 2018 9:17 AM
Hoarders (by JB [OR]) Jun 13, 2018 9:57 AM
Hoarders (by S id [MO]) Jun 13, 2018 10:48 AM
Hoarders (by JB [OR]) Jun 13, 2018 11:20 AM
Hoarders (by Busy [WI]) Jun 13, 2018 11:47 AM
Hoarders (by myob [GA]) Jun 13, 2018 12:33 PM
Hoarders (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 13, 2018 3:42 PM
Hoarders (by S i d [MO]) Jun 13, 2018 4:42 PM
Hoarders (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 13, 2018 5:49 PM
Hoarders (by bet [MA]) Jun 13, 2018 7:22 PM
Hoarders (by Busy [WI]) Jun 13, 2018 8:01 PM
Hoarders (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Jun 14, 2018 12:46 AM
Hoarders (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Jun 14, 2018 12:50 AM
Hoarders (by Nicole [PA]) Jun 14, 2018 6:00 AM
Hoarders (by bet [MA]) Jun 14, 2018 5:18 PM
Hoarders (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 9:05 AM
Has ever working with a hoarder to clean it up worked? We are going to try with this one guy, super sweet nice guy, been with us 12 yrs plus but seems the hoarding started small a few years ago and now it is full blown. I was just wondering if the threat of eviction has ever worked, or is he just going to clean it out and start again?
Hoarders (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 9:12 AM
I'd suggest watching a few episode of the show w the same name. It's not as simple as getting rid of stuff.. the problem is usually rooted in some sort of unresolved trauma and hoarding is simply a coping mechanism... it's a tough one to crack, probably impossible w out therapy as well... --174.234.xxx.xx
Hoarders (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 9:17 AM
Hoarding often represents a crutch that they use to deal with a different problem. So if they don't address what the underlying problem is, the junk will come back, unless it happens that there was a direct link between the junk itself and the underlying problem.
(Example I, we bought a house. It was owned by a little old lady who died. We found soap scraps, washed-and-folded tinfoil, and Aunt Jemima bottles in the attic. We realized she had been raised in the Great Depression--- and so to her, those were important things to set by, "just in case", even though most people would have perceived them as trash. So in that case, the stashing makes sense-- because the person is trying to prepare for future adversity in the best way they know, and if someone cleaned out the junk, it would just get replaced with fresh junk.)
(Example II, I couldn't let go of my toys from when I was a kid, even when we didn't have children. I didn't need a Happy Apple. I didn't need Care Bears, or She-Ra, or My Little Ponies, or Raggedy Ann, or whatever. The boys I ended up having didn't need girl toys, either. But the point wasn't that I had a use for them-- the point was, the toys reminded me of when I was a kid, and of my siblings, and how close we were, and how happy and uncomplicated life was, and I was afraid that if I got rid of those visual triggers that made me think of those things, I'd lose some of my happiest memories of growing up. So if someone cleaned out my old toys, I wouldn't have any reason to go out and replace them--- because AN action figure or a stuffed animal wasn't important, but the fact that it was MY childhood action figure or stuffed animal made it important.) --96.46.xxx.xx
Hoarders (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 9:57 AM
I think #22 has the right idea. Watch a few episodes of the show. Get a good feel for why he is hoarding.
I know a lot of the die hards on this site would just tell you to not get drawn in to the drama and throw him out, but if I have a 12 year res who I like and has made me lots of money over the years I'm going to try to work with him.
It might come down to you recommending that he must see a shrink to deal with his hoarding issues. Then set goals for him for what needs to be done and by when...until things are looking tidy. Then perform regular inspections to make sure he is following through with the clean up plan. --50.45.xxx.xx
Hoarders (by S id [MO]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 10:48 AM
I'm one of those die hards. No offense to JR, of course....I simply have a different view based on my past experience.
I gave up years ago trying to threaten people into abiding by the lease. My lease states that the tenant must keep the house in a safe, sanitary condition. If they fail and I see it, we note it on their inspection and give them 30 days to take care of the issue. If not addressed, we proceed with eviction.
Now here's my "hoarder" horror story.
Husband and wife with 2 small kids rented our 2-bed house. Tight, but livable. Paid rent on time almost always and never more than a day or two late. Never complained.
But the stuff....oh man...the STUFF!
It filled up the house, then spilled over onto the lawn after they packed the garage floor to ceiling with STUFF.
Soon....bugs. BUGS! Roaches everywhere! They couldn't clean under the piles of stuff, so the bugs came.
This went on from bad to worse over 4 years. Eventually they divorced and moved out. She paid the last month's rent at least. But the place was a disaster. I had two cans of Raid Insta-Death Roach Slayer venom (or something like that) and walked inside with a mask on whirling like a dervish for 30 minutes hosing down every square inch of the walls and ceilings. My guess by the crunching under my feet from treading on their carcasses was over 1000 dead. Later we had my pro pest controllers come in and do their job. Took 2 treatments to finish them off.
We had to remove every electric switch and plug cover, clean inside the box, scrub the walls, repaint them, tear out the flooring and replace it, throw away the fridge and stove (dead bugs in every crevice imaginable)....and on top of that we threw away a 40 yard dumpster of junk. 2-3 month rehab.
So, as for a 12-year resident "making you lots of money"....subtract at least half of that with lost rents and clean up.
Bottom line: you never would have rented to him knowing what you know now. "Sunk cost" analysis isn't useful at this point. Ask yourself what do you gain from this going forward and make the correct decision based on that.
And yes, it CAN get worse....bed bugs like places to hide. --173.19.x.xxx
Hoarders (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 11:20 AM
sad(MO), I agree with you that the hoarding is not acceptable and needs to be dealt with ASAP. I just also believe that this tenant may be salvageable.
All I am contending is that the tenant deserves a chance to clean up his act before getting kicked to the curb. 12 years is not something to just throw away with no real effort taken to remedy. --50.45.xxx.xx
Hoarders (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 11:47 AM
As a small-time 'hobbyist' landlord, with background in education and therapy, me, I'd be helping. BUT, I agree, professional should be involved. The hoarding could be going along with a decline in cognitive skills, so, sadly, it might not be possible for this person to improve, even if they want to. --172.56.xx.xxx
Hoarders (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 12:33 PM
If you've been watching your investment a hoarder would not have time in the property to HOARD. Accumulations of that magnitude don't happen overnight. So now your getting scared. Hoarding is a BIG problem. Do your inspections often-- evict them as needed. --99.103.xxx.xxx
Hoarders (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 3:42 PM
You could try getting it cleaned up once and if the junk piles up again, get rid of the tenant.
I don't think a 12 year tenant is any great prize. Tenants have a sell by date, after which they get too comfortable and forget who owns the house.
After 12 years, have you gotten lax on the rent so this guy is below market as he sits there feeling territorial and damaging your house? --174.216.xx.xx
Hoarders (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 4:42 PM
I'm not disagreeing that a tenant might be salvageable. To quote myself...
"If they fail (to clean up) and I see it, we note it on their inspection and give them 30 days to take care of the issue. If not addressed, we proceed with eviction." --173.19.x.xxx
Hoarders (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 5:49 PM
Try to help the hoarder determine the difference between good stuff and garbage. I hoard boxes to sell the good stuff on Ebay and ship it. A good box is six bucks. --73.178.xxx.xx
Hoarders (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 7:22 PM
We are giving him a 3 week deadline with weekly inspections. I know what is going to happen, big disappointment but at least it will be on him not me. The bugs scare me and we have dealt with that before so I know what can happen. WE are going to give him a chance and then he will have to go. --74.104.xxx.xxx
Hoarders (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 8:01 PM
We'll be rooting for you! --172.56.xx.xx
Hoarders (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 12:46 AM
I'm not sure if I'm a hoarder, a collector, or just "frugal." How many Trader Joes bags should one save for trash sacks? I was very proud of myself, I tossed about 200 into the recycle bin the other day. :)
Do I really NEED 40 flathead screwdrivers and a trunk full of hammers? But, but, they are my FRIENDS!
My problem, is everytime I sell or throw out something I've been hoarding for years - within two weeks I will need it and have to go buy a new one.
But - we are actually going to have a parking lot sale at my office/shop this weekend - now that it's 115 degrees outside - and I am going to sell my $2,600 filthy white Ethan Allen sofa - for $100 if I'm lucky... It will perfectly complement any quality meth lab! :)
Hoarders (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 12:50 AM
Oh and I was in my storage today, apparently I hoard water heaters too. I have three in stock.
Oh yeah, and my fathers nut and bolt collection dating back to the 50's and my own collection of fasteners left over from when you have to buy a bag of ten to get the ONE that you need for a project. Yeah I know, neither my father OR myself has needed some of them for 70 years... but you never know. LOL
I could probably retire off the scrap value alone. :) --47.216.xx.xxx
Hoarders (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 6:00 AM
I have an elderly hoarder in my family. I am a believer in the camp of there is nothing you can do for them. You can temporarily change the situation (we MADE him move) however it just starts again. I think that "true" hoarders aren't going to change ...no matter how much time or motivation you give them. --72.70.xxx.xx
Hoarders (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Jun 14, 2018 5:18 PM
wE MIght have some good news in this. I noticed most of the stuff was junky antiques. He states he has a antique shop so he really needs a storage place. Finger crossed, we are still going to do weekly inspections and told him so, to check for removal progress.