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Tenant's health declines (by OohLALa [MO]) Jun 12, 2018 6:35 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 12, 2018 6:44 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 12, 2018 7:02 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Busy [WI]) Jun 12, 2018 7:30 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Busy [WI]) Jun 12, 2018 7:34 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by S i d [MO]) Jun 12, 2018 7:48 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Doogie [KS]) Jun 12, 2018 8:12 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Larry [MN]) Jun 12, 2018 8:16 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Tom [FL]) Jun 12, 2018 9:09 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 12, 2018 9:11 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Vee [OH]) Jun 12, 2018 11:05 AM
       Tenant's health declines (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 12, 2018 12:01 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by Sisco [MO]) Jun 12, 2018 12:12 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 12, 2018 12:15 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by Busy [WI]) Jun 12, 2018 12:24 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by Laura [MD]) Jun 12, 2018 2:16 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by WMH [NC]) Jun 12, 2018 3:40 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by 1gr81 [NC]) Jun 12, 2018 3:50 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by Pat [VA]) Jun 12, 2018 5:46 PM
       Tenant's health declines (by Ooohlala [MO]) Jun 12, 2018 6:18 PM

Tenant's health declines (by OohLALa [MO]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 6:35 AM

I have a long term resident who lives alone in an efficiency Apartment. She called last night and asked if i could help her get up as she had fallen. It was difficult to get the door open as she has been hoarding and as I discovered not taking out the trash. Linens were soiled, air floor vents blocked, she could not use her walker if she tried! She has always paid rent in time and has a car. It's slowly gotten worst since the last time i was there three weeks ago. I contacted her Emergency contact who has disowned her. I could post 30 notice, as she is month to month. She refuses help. How best to approach this? Health department? County or state? Anyone else have experienced this? --99.203.xx.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 6:44 AM

Without a power of attorney, it's hard to help someone against their will.

Have you tried checking the Eldercare Locator through HHS? I'm sure they have experience with people in her situation-- people whose families aren't supportive/involved, and who are reluctant to accept outside help.

Hoarding is usually a mental illness by itself-- the hoarding of whatever isn't about the "stuff", but it's about what the "stuff" represents. So just attacking the "stuff" isn't going to help any--- until she addresses the underlying problem of what the "stuff" represents.

But with her unwillingness to accept help, there's also a good chance that there may be other mental illnesses in play-- dementia, Alzheimer's, whatever. She may be paranoid about being put into a nursing home, and paranoid about giving up her independence, and worried that if she does allow someone to get close to her, that that person will recommend that both those things happen... and that she won't be able to do anything about it. --96.46.xxx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 7:02 AM

Here, we call an ambulance right away and the police are the first contact and contact the proper source. What did you do when you found her? You sound like a good person so I hope you called an ambulance right away. That's what I did when I found my elderly tenant sitting in the middle of the floor when she fell over night years ago. --73.178.xxx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 7:30 AM

Get social services involved, and do safety/home inspections quarterly.

Insist on certain things in the home, like not blocking vents, placing items on stairs, or blocking doorways. I explain (briefly) why those things must be maintained. Don't mention her stuff, make it about keeping your vents cleared, your doorways cleared.

Tough situation if she doesn't have anyone willing to help, but, that happens. Family gets tired of the mentally unhealthy person constantly trying to manipulate, and determines the best course is to wipe their hands of the person who wants to wallow in negativity, hostility, or worse. --172.56.xx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 7:34 AM

Just noticed you were there only 30 days ago, and it was worse. Yikes!

One of the things you have to keep in mind as a landlord is, will her decline possibly harm other tenants? Pests, mold, even a house fire ... --172.56.xx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 7:48 AM

Step 1: look yourself in the mirror and with deep conviction say, "I will NOT let anyone guilt me into anything."

Why do that?

Because there are some people who will call you heartless no matter what you do, even when it is obviously the right thing to do, because it's not the easiest answer for them to accept personally. So there's no reason to try to appease people who aren't you but who feel entitled to tell you what to do with your apartment.

You MUST decide what is right for you and your business.

If it were me and my business, I would know it's time to get social services involved. I am a land lord, not a skilled nursing facility. Those facilities exist and that is what this woman needs, whether she "accepts it" or not. It's time to go. Pooping and peeing all over herself and the apartment is a NO-GO. That is not the business model I came in with, and I would never accept an applicant who was in such a state for the very same reason I would not continue with an existing tenant. Her quality of life will continue to deteriorate as will the condition of the property if left "as is."

So if it were me, I would send 45 days notice today along with a thank you for being my tenant all these years and suggestions for places to contact to begin the transition. 1.5 months is plenty of time and much more gracious than you are legally required to be in a circumstance where damages and cleaning will certainly use up the entire deposit and probably thousands of $$$ more. Meanwhile, I would engage social services and/or the local Office on Aging to get her to a place where she can live out the rest of her life at a higher quality than rotting in her own filth. --173.19.x.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 8:12 AM

Bad situation. Sounds like it's getting worse too. Unfortunately, it may be time to start getting the tenant help. If they won't accept it, will just have to get them out of the property and let them figure it out. It's heartbreaking, but you run a for profit company. The longer it goes on, the more profit you will lose. Doesn't mean you can't be kind and compassionate about it. However, have to protect the property #1 priority. --98.175.xxx.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Larry [MN]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 8:16 AM

I agree to call an ambulance. She could have a broken bone and they need to evaluate her for that. A trip to the hospital is what often gets people who need help into the "system". Hospitals have social workers who know the way around medicare/medicaid, rehabilitation, skilled nursing, etc. --75.146.xxx.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 9:09 AM

OohLALa of MO,

You are a Landlord and not an assisted living facility. So make the calls to:

Area for the Aging or Eldercare Locator? There is an agency or agencies that can help get the ball rolling in your county.

Age related forgetfulness. HOWEVER the condition of the unit is WAY BEYOND age related forgetfulness, it most likely is Dementia and/or Alzheimer's...

Family support may not be there because they may think she is just being old and nasty with them. Many people do not know how to handle Dementia and Alzheimer's or mental illness. It appears to many as just an old nasty person standing in front of them.

Hoarding! NOW that's a different subject. HOWEVER the filth along with soiled items is a MAJOR Health Concern.

Act now and don't stop until she is moved to a facility.

If she does not have a power of attorney then the state may step in a take control of her, especially if she does go to a skilled nursing facility.

Best of Success with it.


Tenant's health declines (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 9:11 AM

We're not social workers. We're not trained in it, and it's not what we do. Getting involved with tenants personally, no matter how well-intentioned, could have a very bad outcome for you.

No good deed goes unpunished.

The only thing to do is to notify the professionals and let them do their job.


Tenant's health declines (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 11:05 AM

I try to stay out of it also, I suggest contacting your court staff - they seem to know who can help elderly people and pass out a sheet of info for the above work age folks. --76.188.xxx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 12:01 PM

It's time to get rid of her.

If her family and friends refuse to help, you are going to have to find some sort of agency to help her, otherwise it is going to become beyond difficult to get her out since she is too ill to move herself or her stuff.

Myself, I don't want to appear in the papers as the ogre who evicted an ill helpless senior citizen. But really, it is time for her to go to an assisted living facility. --174.216.xx.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 12:12 PM

If I were in your position, I would contact my county’ Public administrator. --72.172.xxx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 12:15 PM

La la,contact Hospice outpatient,they'll help............charlie............................................ --174.199.x.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 12:24 PM

Jeff in CO is right, no good deed goes unpunished. Sadly, helping someone up without proper training...

This is a good reminder to me to curb my tenancy to be helpful. What would my insurance company say ? Something I need to keep in mind... --208.54.xx.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 2:16 PM

Sorry but I would have one goal....to disassociate from the situation. If her 'loved one' has bowed out, clearly you need to also. Contact the authorities and give proper notice. This situation is not going to get better and i see no up side for you in hanging in . --108.51.xxx.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 3:40 PM

In NC, the Department of Social Services (DSS) encompasses not just CPS (Child Protective Services) but also Elder Abuse and Care. They are REQUIRED to investigate reports such as yours. Call them. --50.82.xxx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by 1gr81 [NC]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 3:50 PM

Although I completely agree w the others in this post (time to go), I also think the possibility of being demonized by the, always hungry for their next outrage, online digital mob, is a real concern and something you need to prepare for.

I can't speak to the legality of it, but I would film the conditions as she lives now as proof that she needed help.

Best of luck. That's a tough one. :/

Just a thought. --174.193.xxx.xx

Tenant's health declines (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 5:46 PM

When my aunt passed away, I heard my cousin talking to a neighbor in the apartment complex and she was being evicted for being a hoarder. It is sad. We had one and thankfully when she passed away unexpectedly her son was very good about clearing everything out.

You don't have much choice, you'll feel better once it is over. --71.219.x.xxx

Tenant's health declines (by Ooohlala [MO]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 6:18 PM

So many thanks to everyone who chimed in with advice. It is very much appreciated... I had been searching for someone, local county or state to contact and was getting no where... left voice messages, emails etc... Finally with advice from Sisco, I contacted our County Public Administrator Office and my call was promptly returned. She suggested I call the Adult Abuse Hotline. It took some time to get someone on the line, but I made a report and they will be following up very soon, first with me (more info) then will contact tenant for a visit... you all are right, she needs to be somewhere where she can get some care. I just didn't want to toss her out to live in her car. I try to live by the Golden Rule and when I get old, I hope someone will take a little time to help me.

Again, many thanks for all the replies, it was very helpful. --99.109.xxx.x

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