Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 9, 2018 8:29 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 9, 2018 8:41 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by plenty [MO]) Jun 9, 2018 8:41 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by plenty [MO]) Jun 9, 2018 8:42 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Luba [NY]) Jun 9, 2018 8:45 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by NE [PA]) Jun 9, 2018 8:50 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by beelocks [NH]) Jun 9, 2018 8:56 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by JB [OR]) Jun 9, 2018 8:56 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Nigel [MO]) Jun 9, 2018 10:00 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 9, 2018 10:08 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 9, 2018 11:29 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 9, 2018 11:44 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Steve [MA]) Jun 9, 2018 12:04 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Livethedream [AZ]) Jun 9, 2018 3:01 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 9, 2018 10:32 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by myob [GA]) Jun 10, 2018 4:28 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 10, 2018 6:18 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by myob [GA]) Jun 10, 2018 7:04 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 10, 2018 8:16 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 10, 2018 11:25 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 11, 2018 6:09 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 11, 2018 10:19 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 12, 2018 9:42 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 12, 2018 1:39 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 13, 2018 11:30 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by mike [CA]) Jun 18, 2018 3:12 PM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Robin [WI]) Jun 19, 2018 7:07 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by #22 [MO]) Jun 19, 2018 7:47 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 19, 2018 7:50 AM
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:29 AM Message:
It's a small thing, but it bother me. I have a great contractor who does all of my work. With many jobs I see that he buys small tools. I am now requesting that the tools be returned to me. Now I will be stuck with a lot of stuff which I will sell online.
My thoughts: I don't feel right about buying tools. As a pro, he should have his own tools and if he is missing something he should buy it.
Your thoughts?
--76.120.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:41 AM Message:
He can't be much of a Contractor if your buying tools for him all the time,and now that you have them why would you want to sell them?........charlie......................just wondering.................................. --174.199.x.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:41 AM Message:
Jeff? You getting soft in your old age? I would just not ask for them back. And watch to see if tool is being taken care of and appreciate. --99.203.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:42 AM Message:
Bit more... Watch out for give and inch take a mile. --99.203.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Luba [NY]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:45 AM Message:
If he is a contractor - he must have own tools.
This is an explanation between a contractor and an employee:
An independent contractor is typically someone who can work from any location during a time of their choosing. They can work for multiple companies, using their own tools and resources, and are often paid on a project or flat fee-basis. An employee is someone who works specific hours at a location chosen by the employer. They generally work only for one company, use the employer’s tools and resources, and are paid a salary or an hourly wage. --69.120.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:50 AM Message:
Was it you that posted about this not too long ago? What was the outcome of the discussion with him, if any? --74.47.xxx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by beelocks [NH]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:56 AM Message:
Is he buying the tools and footing the bill, or is he asking you to pay for the tools?
If they are your tools you should ask for them to be returned to you and he should ask to borrow them if needed when he's working on one of your properties. He should not be using your tools to benefit someone else.
There's also possibly a matter of liability. What happens when he manages to remove a leg when using your cheap plastic putty knife?
If he's a contractor, he should have his own tools. I've never met a contractor who insists upon a client purchasing the necessary tools for a job. If he's actually a handyman or an employee then that may be different.
--98.229.xxx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 8:56 AM Message:
Jeff, while I agree with you in principle, all contractors do things that bug us if we are paying attention.
Instead of offending this "great contractor" maybe offer to sell him back those tools for a reasonable package price...or just forget it if it doesn't amount to much.
A great contractor is not so easy to find! --50.45.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Nigel [MO]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 10:00 AM Message:
If he is buying the tools, then I don't see the problem.
If you are buying the tools, then you need to explain up front that you don't mind purchasing whatever he needs to costs the job, but you'll be deducting the tool costs from his pay. --99.203.xx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 10:08 AM Message:
Jeff,now that you have all those tools,it's time to learn how to do things,then you'll be the"Contractor"..Horay...........charlie.............................................. --174.199.x.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 11:29 AM Message:
So the tools are appearing on your bill as charged to you for the job. Yes, I would expect to receive them if that's the case. I had one guy who posts locally on bulletin boards as a handyman. He informed me that he needed to buy a small Sawzall for the job of cutting small trees away from a fence. He did not give me the Sawzall and I did not see him again as he obviously did not know what he was doing. --73.178.xxx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 11:44 AM Message:
Miss Ally,Oh!He knew what he was doing!It's you ,who didn't know what he was doing............... Charlie...................................... --174.199.x.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 12:04 PM Message:
I would expect you to pay for disposable items such as saw blades, drill bits, some painting supplies & possibly the rental of specialty tools or staging. IMO the cost to purchase, maintain & replace when needed of normal hand tools & power tools should be built into his overhead & reflected in his normal labor charges.
Sounds to me as though you have an employee not a legitimate contractor doing your work. When the time comes make sure you include the cost of these items in his 1099 or W2. --72.93.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Livethedream [AZ]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 3:01 PM Message:
A true contractor pays for expendables too, or invoices for them.
In the flip boom I had guys on payroll and provided most tools beyond standard tool belt gear. Because my guys mostly did it all from framing to painting. Carpenters usually provide hammers and such. And a "painter" without whites and at least a 5n1 tool isn't worthy of the name. I supplied brushes and sprayers, etc.
Nowadays I am very leery of casual labor from the liability and scam angle.
I got into a big issue just a few weeks ago on a roof inspection on a sale. Buyer wanted a roofer to look at the roof. Fine, "I need proof of insurance, licenses and verification numbers." Apparently I am the first person in the history of roofs who actually would not let them on a slick, tile roof 24-30' high. But you know they would happily sue me if they fell off. And no they can't borrow my ladder. --47.216.xx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2018 10:32 PM Message:
Jeff,
What does your written contract say about tools?
We use MY paperwork so I know I am covered by MY policies. I pay for CONSUMABLES, like paint, roller covers, visqueen, tape... no tools like brushes, ladders, sprayers. I WILL pay for the rent of a sprayer if pre-agreed in writing.
Your “great guy”might be scamming you. I’d be double checking every aspect of the job for other “pushing the boundaries”.
Simply deduct the tools from what you pay him. 1. He’ll be mad you ask to return “his” tools, 2. Piling up unneeded tools is a waste of your money.
If you provide tools ormequipment the IRS can come back on you as his employer for the taxes he did not pay.
BRAD
--68.50.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2018 4:28 AM Message:
I have a van (use to be just a pull behind enclosed trailer) all tools new and old belong to the COMPANY. Any tool needed is purchased and ID'ed. Our work van is inventoried monthly. We operate a mini wearhouse where we keep larger items like roto rooters-- furnace spare parts etc.. so anything big is taken off the truck and put in wearhouse for safe keeping. theres a tool to mark your tools that will engrave them--.
I didn't see what type of tools you felt aren't needed long term by your self?
You do know h-depot has tools they rent out if you don't think you need something for a life time. --99.103.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2018 6:18 AM Message:
Thanks for your comments. You guys made some good points. I knew a lot of it already, but I needed to hear it.
Yes, I did post this before. I just never acted on it and just swept it under the rug.
He is an honest guy, but I have been lax about this. Going forward I will pay for consumables, but not tools.
Thanks again.
--76.120.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2018 7:04 AM Message:
Jeff as a follow up. we give our MMan an Amex card. We started out with a 500.00 card with his name on it. (its now 1K) that card is tied to our business Amex card and every time he goes to H-depot or anywhere and uses that card- my phone dongs-- and I can see what he's doing shopping wise. He knows I get the notification so no funny business goes on with the card. I tell him not to use it for gas however. Even if you only buy 25.00 in gas it blocks off 100.00 from the card for that gas. Very bad system for gas purchases. --99.103.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2018 8:16 AM Message:
Myob, that sounds good. My guy uses two Ace stores nearby. I have accounts at both, and when anything is purchased I immediately am e-mailed a detailed receipt. --76.120.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2018 11:25 PM Message:
Jeff,
You jist said the words that are the ruin of every investor: ’He’s an honest guy.’
That alone tells me you are too trusting. Money is slipping thru and because you are a nice guy you assume he’s a nice guy. There are good people out there but you’ve already posted that you have found a little trouble.
I’ve used over 175 contractors. MOST had their own agenda , playing an angle, and MOST pushed the boundaries. Some took me and I found out later. The more I lost the more I learned and spotted sooner.
Get with an experienced LL and review the contract, the bid, the receipts, the progress...
BRAD
--68.50.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2018 6:09 AM Message:
Brad,
When I first used this guy I opened up a Home Despot account and he went to get some stuff. He came back with what he bought, plus he gave me a new Black and Decker power drill set worth just under $200. I asked him what it was for, and he said it was a gift from the store for opening a commercial account. He could have easily kept it and I never would have known.
Does he take advantage of me? I'm sure he does. But he is BY FAR the best handyman I have ever had. When he is on a big job elsewhere, he'll fix stuff on his lunch hour, after work, or on weekends. He's insured, of course, and when we agree to meet at 10:00 he's there at 9:55. Very rare.
Something gets screwed up - he makes it right.
In this market (Denver) you are lucky to even get return contact from a contractor, and good luck getting them to come back and work for you again.
I probably am too nice to this guy, but he is a good guy and is a true find.
Your points are all valid, though. I appreciate it.
--76.120.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2018 10:19 PM Message:
Jeff,
I truly hope you found a good one. There are some out there. Just never assume a worker is totally honest. They can be honest today then change. We never know what’s going on inside their heads. Some are good at the long con.
I remember the drill kit story. It still seems odd to me. Did HE do something with the commercial account? Did the HD rep give him your reward? Did you confirm this was true with the rep?
You just described my long time maint super who I found out later was ripping me off by the thousand$$$. He blackmailed to other guys to cover for him by padding their hours too. He did lots of things to earn my trust so he could cheat me. He wrecked the van I GAVE him when he blacked out from oxy. His garage strangely burned down one night with my stuff inside (pressure washer, paint sprayer, etc) When he finally quit out of guilt he stole a van from my driveway.
Just like applicants and residents, be friendly but verify EVERYTHING. Document and check everything, assume nothing. That’s what business managers do.
BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 9:42 AM Message:
Brad,
You have a good memory. No, I didn't question anything. Why would I? It was a gift. My contractor had nothing to gain by giving me a gift that HD gave him, thinking he was the account holder. He could have just kept it and I never would have known.
Sure, he could be cheating me over the years. But it would be hard to prove and he does a great job.
That is a wild story. Wow! There were no warning signs? --76.120.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2018 1:39 PM Message:
Like Henry Ford said "I came amonst you,and you took me in"...Amen.................................................. --174.199.x.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2018 11:30 AM Message:
LTD,you need to check out a roof,a pair of every day binoculars work good,don't have to worry about someone slipping and a sliding.As long as you know what you're looking for.........charlie..............................................hey there it is..
..................... --174.199.x.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2018 3:12 PM Message:
you don't give real numbers for us to consider. if he needs an uncommon or oddball tool that arises from your oddball job (say some mapp gas if he needs it or a screw extractor) then i say let it slide. if he is having you tool him up with levels and chisels and the common stuff of a well stocked toolbox then he needs to back them off the tab and say thanks for floating a small loan.
--76.176.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2018 7:07 AM Message:
I've been reading an interesting book lately called "Influence: the Power of Persuasion." Fascinating read. A very common technique to gain trust and influence is to give something to the other person for "free." It creates a psychological obligation to reciprocate.
I'm not saying this is true of your contractor, but a couple of obvious demonstrations of trustworthiness in small things are the classic setup for a major con. Or they could be true signs of trustworthiness. Just keep your eyes open. --204.210.xxx.xxx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2018 7:47 AM Message:
Robin - what a great read! Love Cialdinis work... reciprocity is an uninvited debt!!!!! --173.17.xx.xx |
Buying Tools For Cntractr (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 19, 2018 7:50 AM Message:
Robin, I thought about that. There is also the classic "The 48 Laws of Power." --76.120.xx.xx |
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