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Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 28, 2018 12:47 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by DannyC [MO]) May 28, 2018 1:26 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by JB [OR]) May 28, 2018 1:55 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Mickie [OH]) May 28, 2018 2:01 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Tom [FL]) May 28, 2018 2:21 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by J [IN]) May 28, 2018 2:34 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 28, 2018 2:35 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by David [NC]) May 28, 2018 2:50 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 28, 2018 3:06 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 28, 2018 3:30 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Vee [OH]) May 28, 2018 3:41 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by plenty [MO]) May 28, 2018 3:49 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 28, 2018 4:08 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by JB [OR]) May 28, 2018 4:08 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by S i d [MO]) May 28, 2018 6:26 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by WMH [NC]) May 29, 2018 4:43 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 29, 2018 4:59 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by DannyC [MO]) May 29, 2018 5:58 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by NE [PA]) May 29, 2018 5:59 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 29, 2018 6:41 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 29, 2018 5:16 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by NE [PA]) May 29, 2018 5:20 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 29, 2018 5:37 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Ken [NY]) May 29, 2018 8:53 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by livethedream [AZ]) May 30, 2018 12:32 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 30, 2018 3:54 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Danno [IL]) May 30, 2018 4:50 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 30, 2018 5:42 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by NE [PA]) May 30, 2018 6:00 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Danno [IL]) May 30, 2018 6:11 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 30, 2018 6:58 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 30, 2018 7:16 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Tom [FL]) May 30, 2018 7:45 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Danno [IL]) May 30, 2018 8:49 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 30, 2018 9:57 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by RB [MI]) May 30, 2018 10:18 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Ken [NY]) May 30, 2018 2:57 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 30, 2018 3:19 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Smokowna [MD]) May 30, 2018 5:19 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Blue [IL]) May 30, 2018 9:22 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) May 31, 2018 3:36 AM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Sandy [CO]) May 31, 2018 1:21 PM
       Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Jun 1, 2018 4:41 AM

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Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 12:47 PM
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This post is directed toward the 30 people (3 groups of 10) who sat my round table discussion last Friday night in St. Louis.

I told them I would be re-starting my Handyman Ad on Sunday (yesterday) for 7 days and they asked me to give them a follow-up on any of the calls that I may get.

I knew I would get calls on Memorial Day and the first one came about 2 hours ago. An 85 year old lady from another state (GA) called and said she has a house in my town that has been vacant for 6 months. It needs work which is nothing new. It is a 3/1 located in a Class C+ neighborhood (I saw it on Google).

Now, her asking price is $60,000 which is way out of my price range but I did not tell her that. I know the neighborhood this house is in and in my opinion, $25,000 would be a more reasonable asking price. Most elderly home sellers based their asking prices on what they need to retire on,...not what the house is actually worth.

I am going to 'play along with this one' just for the fun of it but I know from past experience that getting elderly sellers to think in terms of true market value instead of their own personal retirements needs can be an uphill battle.

Got to go,...the phone is ringing again. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by DannyC [MO]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 1:26 PM
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Roy first of all thanks for doing the round table. It was very informative, and helpful.

If the property is worth it maybe you could do an owner finance deal that benefits both of you. We definitely learned some benefits of that last week. Either way good luck and keep us updated. --107.77.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by JB [OR]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 1:55 PM
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I was hoping to get to your table. Never even made it to that end of the room. I couldn't even get to Brad's table. Wish there had been more time.

* I think many of the best discussions were happening at the tables with the regulars from this Q&A. I think that says a lot for this group. --50.45.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Mickie [OH]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 2:01 PM
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I'm going to start mine Wednesday. With housing prices going in my area I think this might be a way for me to continue to grow without going into long term debt. The more little cash cows I can round up with low to no debt the sooner the cash flow will increase to let me pay more of them off faster. --174.232.x.x




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 2:21 PM
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I LOVE it when a sellers says OR their realtor says:

They need money for their new home...

They need money for their retirement...

They need money for their __________...

I really DON"T care what the seller needs money for once the house is sold. The property is only worth the condition and present value of the property. Soon the property will get "SHOPWORN" and the seller will get less than the fair market value of the property. --99.56.xx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by J [IN]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 2:34 PM
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Roy I am interested in how this negotiation turns out. If she won't move on price and you can't negotiate a win win, just tell her you'll keep in touch. I had one that when I offered the seller $35k, she said I "was trying to rip her off". 3 years later she almost begged me to take it for $25k (she named the price) and it was in the exact same condition except for it had a new rubber roof on the back section. Great talking to you this weekend. Good Luck! --71.32.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 2:35 PM
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DannyC,

Just got back from seeing the outside only of this house. I took photos of it and yes, it needs some work but nothing major. Now, I need to see the inside but my seller lives 130 miles away in Georgia.

If the owner of this house would drop the asking price down to $35K AND owner-finance this house with me putting 20% down, that 'could be a deal',...but again, I need to convince the seller her house not worth anywhere near $60K.

Now, I do not mind posting details of how I convert sellers into "Roy Deals", however, the last thing I need is for someone here to accuse me of 'taking advantage of the elderly'. Yes, my seller here is 85 years old and I am sure she needs $60K for her husband who is in bad health. When the negative comments get posted, I am out of here. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by David [NC]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 2:50 PM
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What is your ad saying (if you you don't mind saying)? --65.188.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 3:06 PM
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David,

In the 'RE Wanted' section of my local hometown newspaper, the Ad says,..

Retired Handyman is Looking to Buy a Fixer Upper. Prefer small houses. Can pay cash or will discuss terms with my down payment. No agents please. Call 256-442-xxxx

--68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 3:30 PM
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Roy,

You da MAN!!

It was so exciting to see you leading a roundtable with a crowd flocked around you! You are a natural. Everybody LOVES you!

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 3:41 PM
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Ask her if the grass cutting person has a key - maybe a relative nearby who can let you in and you can ask them -have you heard any good offers?- let them tell you what is brewing if anything... You can then prime the pump with what similar homes nearby have sold for and because you are ready to move fast maybe they will listen more intently to you on that 15k offer that gets them payments rather than a lump they have to pay taxes on... --76.188.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 3:49 PM
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Roy... Did you hear The Wolf couple? Is that your best price? --99.203.xx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 4:08 PM
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Whenever someone calls via the Handyman Ad,...I make it a point not to discuss money on that first phone call. In this case, the seller volunteered the asking price.

When I was visiting this house, I noticed the house next door was vacant too. This house was identical in age and size and had no For Sale sign in the yard. Does anyone here know why I will start researching the public records of who owns this house next door? If the $60K seller does not reduce her asking price, there is a good chance the owner of the house next door will. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by JB [OR]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 4:08 PM
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That's funny, plenty. I don't think the Wolff couple said too much that would help an ol' pro like Roy be a better negotiator. --50.45.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 28, 2018 6:26 PM
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Go Roy, GO!!!! --173.19.x.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 4:43 AM
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JB, I agree! --50.82.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 4:59 AM
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Tuesday

I talked with the out of town seller this morning. She is driving over on Friday to open the house for me. After I do an inside inspection, I will make a decision then if this house (or seller) is worth the effort in trying to advance to the next level,...which is 'creating the deal'.

--68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by DannyC [MO]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 5:58 AM
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Sounds like a good step in the right direction. Obviously you know the market in your area better than she does, and you know where you need to be to get the numbers to work. If it isnít going to work for you move on to the next one. --75.50.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 5:59 AM
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DannyC, if you find the right seller, not only will they not know the market in that area, they won't even care. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 6:41 AM
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Whenever I meet a seller for the first time, I sometimes get asked "Are you really a handyman?" My stock answer to that question is my favorite analogy.

There are 'shade tree' auto mechanics in my town who buy cars at auto auctions, pay $500.00 for them and usually have them towed home since they don't run. They spend 3-6 months buying spare parts trying to fix that car. If they get the car to run more than 5 miles, they will sell that car and then go buy another to fix.

I do the same thing, but I don't buy/fix autos,...I do it with houses. About this time, I am now showing my seller my 'before and after' photo album, which is the same one I had at the Roundtable discussion. Now you know why I carry that photo album with me. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 5:16 PM
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My Ad has been running for 3 days and I have had 6 calls so far. I have rejected 5 of these sellers for personal reasons that would not bother other investors.

I sure wish NE (PA) was down here so that I could hand over all of my rejects to him.

I will not buy any house that has a below grade basement.

I will not buy a house that sits on top of a steep hill.

I will not buy a 1 bedroom house

I will not buy a house that is within 6 blocks of a downtown housing project.

Do I need to continue? LOL

--68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 5:20 PM
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Roy, I'd gladly take your rejects. It's worth at least lunch or a beer for the referral. --74.47.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 5:37 PM
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NE,

With other investors who I consider 'friends', I operate on the premise that "what goes around, comes around".

I enjoyed meeting and talking with you in St. Louis. You are unique individual. Hopefully, we will meet again at the next convention. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 8:53 PM
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Roy,you are one fussy guy.Why don't you want a below grade basement?every house in my area has that.Why no house on top of a hill?Have you thought about buying these houses and just reselling them?The market is so good right now I am buying ghetto property and putting it on the mls and have buyers fighting over it --72.231.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by livethedream [AZ]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 12:32 AM
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I live in a house on a hill. I checked the hill to make sure it will stay there, as long as we live here anyway. :) Since we don't get earthquakes and it hasn't rained here in a year there isn't much to worry about. If California will please sink into the sea I'll be in a great spot to build a boat dock. :)

The nice thing about living on top of a hill (besides the view) is no floods. And if the sewer pumps in town ever fail, well, "--it" runs downhill. :)

I agree about basements. Out west and in FL very few homes have basements, I've never dealt with one. All I know is they are dark places full of spiders and water. --47.216.xx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 3:54 AM
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"Why don't you want a below grade basement?"

I could make a separate post on why I reject certain houses, but I will try give a primer here. Just like a good Landlord will reject certain rental applicants, I reject houses that do not meet my minimum standards. Yes, I have min. standards when I go shopping for a house to buy. I will not buy a house just because of a cheap price which seems to be the only standard for most flippers. Price is very important to me, but again, other things are involved in my house selection decision.

As you know, I have always been a 'buy and hold' type investor,...it just my mindset (or comfort zone). Knowing that I going to hold a house for several years, I want a house that will be low maintenance, will rent quickly, and attract the type of tenants I want.

This is usually a 1,200 sq. ft house or less, is either a 3/1 or 2/1, located on the EAST SIDE of the river which is in the PATH of NEW DEVELOPMENT here (hint, hint), has a relatively flat lot (no steep lots on steep hills), and a mixed race neighborhood.

Why no below grade basements? Only a few houses here have below grade basements. The ones I have looked at all had 6-12 inches of water on the floor when the sump pump died. One phone call I do not want from a tenant is this,...'our basement is flooded and what are you going to do about it'? How do YOU answer that question?

So, in a nutshell, choosing my next fixer upper is similar to finding a good tenant. There are going to be some losers along the way that do not meet my min. standards and they get rejected. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 4:50 AM
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Roy - Without going into the specifics on why you rejected 5 out of 6 of the first year calls, could you print your first contact questionnaire list please? That would help give me a fair idea of where you are headed. Thank you! --99.203.xx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 5:42 AM
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'could you print your first contact questionnaire list please'

I can't because it is not written down,..however, one question I do ask is,...'do you owe any money (mortgage) on this house? If they do and they are upside down, there is nothing I can do for them. I rejected one of these just yesterday. However, most of the people I talk with have 'free and clear' properties which makes the negotiation process much less stressful for them. I do not want to deal with a stressed out seller.

At times, I wish I had a partner down here that had a 'flipping mindset'. That person would never have to post a bandit sign or mail out form letters. I would supply all of the leads. However, I don't want someone that I have to train and/or babysit. They need to have enough flipping experience to be able to 'hit the ground running' here. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 6:00 AM
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Roy, I think you might be leaving a bit of money on the table not taking some of these properties. --174.201.xx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 6:11 AM
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Roy, I can sympathize with your stance against basements. I'm not familiar with your area, but I would suspect it does receive a larger than normal rainfall, and your ground water table is quite high. What generally is stored in those basements? The furnaces or hot water heaters? However, I wouldn't think that basement flooding would ever be an issue with those houses on a sloped hillside. Exactly what are your issues there? --99.203.xx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 6:58 AM
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NE,

I have always taken an ultra conservative approach to what I do here in the RE business. My reasons are more personal than anything else. One reason, among many, is that at my age I can't afford to make the stupid investing mistakes that I made 25 years ago when mutual funds/IRA's were 'hot'. Back then, time was on my side and I had time to recover from those mistakes,...now I don't. Every decision I make now has to based on what I know and what I do best which is 'buy cheap, rehab cheap and get the highest rents this town will allow'. When you have a game plan that works, you just keep doing the same thing over and over.

On the flip side (pun intended), I have seen way too many investors lose their shirts trying to flip houses in my town,...this is a town where everyone wants to pay rent and not buy. We have a graveyard here where all of the house flippers from the 2008 RE crash are buried (I'm kidding, but I know where bodies are buried).

Got to go,...phone is ringing. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 7:16 AM
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Danno,

Come here and I will show you houses with flooded basements. How the water got there and why it won't drain out is something I don't understand and don't have the patience to even try to understand it.

Plus, even with a dry basement, tenants store all kinds of JUNK down there and when they vacate, they leave most of it. This means I would have to hire someone to move all of their worthless junk upstairs and out the door. I would rather they store their junk in a garage or backyard shed than a below grade basement.

You need another reason? Here, basements do not add anything to the value of the house. Everyone wants a basement, but nobody will pay anything extra (in rent) to get one. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 7:45 AM
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Comfort Zone!!!

Roy has a comfort zone of buy cheap, repair it, rent it, hold it.

NE of PA and Ken of NY has a comfort zone of buy cheap, and flip it. There may be a few keepers for rentals and holds along the way. But your comfort zone is flip and move on to the next deal. Making a lot of money in the process.

2008 RE crash was a crazy market prior to the crash. In FL making $100k under 6 months was the norm and money was made.

Unfortunately many investors lost their shirts as well as homeowners too due to the subprime lending fiasco.

RISK vs REWARDS; There are some LL's on this site that have a ton of equity in their properties but do not want to take the risk to the next level stepping out of their comfort zone.

Perfection is a great quality but some want the house to be perfect and will spend the money to get a higher rent. Did they over improve the property to get the higher value, DEPENDS.

Depends on their market and what the market will bear.

CASH FOR KEYS is a great option to get problem tenants out of a property. HOWEVER there are some LL's that will NEVER pay a tenant to leave but will spend a ton of money and court costs to get a deadbeat out. it would have been cheaper and faster to pay the deadbeat to move. COMFORT ZONE!!!

--99.56.xx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 8:49 AM
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Tom [FL]- I couldn't agree with you more. I had an investor friend who dealt with Class C tenants all of the time, and the CASH FOR KEYS program was the logical way to go. It was always a touch and go negotiation. I had one not too long ago where the tenant didn't pay the rent, which was $1,000.00. When I discovered the tenant had lost his job, and his stay could be extensive, I offered him $300.00 if he moved out by Tuesday (This offer was made on Thursday). The next day, he told me he needed $500.00. I agreed, provided he moved out, signed a document giving me absolute possession and surrendered to me all of the rental keys THAT DAY. The deal was done, and life goes on. By far, it's the cheapest way to go! --99.203.xx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 9:57 AM
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Tom (FL)

I know people who keep 6 figures of cash sitting in a bank vault earning 1.5% interest, before taxes. That is their Comfort Zone.

I also know investors who have millions in leveraged RE that does not produce much income (land, vacation property, etc). They have to have a day job just to buy groceries.

What does your Comfort Zone look like? --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by RB [MI]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 10:18 AM
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A legend in his own mind. --47.35.xx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 2:57 PM
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Roy,if I was in your area we would get along just fine,i would love to go through your leads that you don't want.I will buy virtually any residential property although I wont keep a house in a flood zone,that is the one call I don't want.At the right price I will take anything and resell it,i have even been paid to take burnouts and then give them away. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 3:19 PM
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Ken,

I know you and I would make a good team.

I have one Handyman Ad reject down here with your name on it. The house can be bought for $10K or less. This house was built with all stone,...not brick. It sits on top of a steep hill and a steeper lot. When I saw it yesterday, it reminded me of the stone castle in horror movies where Count Dracula lives. I kid you not. --68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 5:19 PM
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When you referred to choices at your age, it reminded me of a phrase I began to use in 2017.

Balanced Decisions.

I apply this thinking to small decision that involve not only days of my time but hours as well.

The last six months has been scrutinized by balanced decisions and it is working well.

Meanwhile, I have a bunch of shacks with no basements, flat lots, no sidewalks...kind of a cool feature, 5/12 pitch roofs. The ridge of any house is 14' or less off the ground. You can walk on all the roofs.

These are easy houses.

However you can't sink a lot of money into them because you will not sell them and recoup you invested funds. What I do is do high end improvements on a good budget and rent them for the long term.

Same amount of work applied to houses in a bigger city would yield great returns on a flip.

I wrote all that out because I talk about these experiences with sellers. It boils down to, "I would like to help, I would like to buy the house however I'm limited. I can only offer this much or the whole idea doesn't work out".

(I also try to hire on local people as helpers - spend as much money in town as compared to bringing in materials and people. I fail at buying materials in town, but win at hiring local)

--108.48.xx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: May 30, 2018 9:22 PM
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I LOVE 1 BR houses. --96.35.xxx.xxx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 31, 2018 3:36 AM
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Blue,

Why do you love 1 bedroom houses? Who would rent (or buy) a 1 bedroom house,..besides you?

--68.63.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: May 31, 2018 1:21 PM
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We have houses w basements here in Colorado, but I also avoid houses in flood planes.

Thanks for sharing Roy, itís always interesting, and your prices are so different than here! --107.2.xxx.xx




Handyman Ad / Roundtable (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2018 4:41 AM
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'and your prices are so different than here!'

And I feel sure your property values and RENTS are at least twice what they are here. It is all relative,... --68.63.xxx.xx



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