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Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 24, 2018 8:08 AM
       Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Apr 24, 2018 8:19 AM
       Through wall AC (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 24, 2018 9:16 AM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 24, 2018 9:54 AM
       Through wall AC (by fred [CA]) Apr 24, 2018 10:14 AM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 24, 2018 10:48 AM
       Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Apr 24, 2018 12:44 PM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 24, 2018 1:34 PM
       Through wall AC (by myob [GA]) Apr 24, 2018 1:46 PM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 24, 2018 2:01 PM
       Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Apr 24, 2018 2:49 PM
       Through wall AC (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Apr 24, 2018 3:29 PM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 24, 2018 4:48 PM
       Through wall AC (by Vee [OH]) Apr 26, 2018 12:46 PM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 26, 2018 1:05 PM
       Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Apr 26, 2018 1:14 PM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 26, 2018 2:31 PM
       Through wall AC (by WL [CA]) May 7, 2018 6:43 AM
       Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) May 7, 2018 7:00 AM


Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 8:08 AM
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An issue I've been wanting to address for my very small SFHs is A/C.

C class neighborhoods, central air often disappears during vacancies, (all mine had been liberated during foreclosure process, before I bought the houses,) so I don't want the big central air units. One house had an old (non-working,) through the wall AC where I reframe the sleeve and replaced a 14,000 BTU model. That has worked very well, and since my houses are around 700 sq ft, plus basement, and I told the tenants to turn the fan to on on the furnace in summer. AC blows towards the cold air return in living room. Mini-splits still seem two spendy in my area, about the same as central air. But, maybe that's not the case?

Just having tenants use window units is OK, BUT not very secure, and I have to watch that the unit is installed properly, lest damage to window or walls ( I prefer to prevent potential damages, when I can. )

The biggest hurdle was finding someone to do the framing, as I am not quite confident enough in my own skills, and I'm very slow. But, hooray, I think I have found the carpenter to do the work . (Licensed electrician will be doing wiring.)

So, my question for y'all is, any body have experiences with these, suggestions, tips, ? Good or bad, I'd like to hear it. I'm thinking I can get the units and work done right at around $1200-$1600. But, I haven't checked the prices in the last year.

Thoughts? --172.56.xx.xx




Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 8:19 AM
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Check AJ Madison for these units. We buy bottom of line Heat Pump/AC Amanas for about $600. AC only is even cheaper. Well less than the same thing at Home Depot. Free shipping, maybe you can get a deal if you buy more than one. Be sure to call in and deal with a customer service rep, don't order from the website.

We have these units in many places. Workhorses. I was just adding them up, about 10 or so out there. We started using them in 2009. We've replaced 2 or 3, I think.

Good news is if they die, you just pop them out and put a new one in the framed spot.

Central HVAC runs $4500 here. Mini-splits even more. We can replace these units many times over for those prices. --50.82.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 9:16 AM
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I am a Licensed Contractor and property owner myself. Many handymen and professionals have issue with making holes through walls to install wall A/C units.

One time a client wanted me to install a single though the Wall A/C in a 15 unit building. I asked why not hire me to do all the units. The owner told me she wanted her manager to watch me do one unit to learn how to do all of the other units themselves. She thought she was saving money that way. A professional charging a lot per hour but doing the job quickly VS a manager/handyman taking a long time at a cheep rate.

Anyways here is the secret for a successful install. You do NOT touch the outside stucco. Instead you open up the inside wall (drywall or plaster). The inside doesn't have to be waterproof like the outside, so any inside mistakes can be repaired easily.

Once you found the ideal area through the inside, then you can cut the studs and do the correct framing. So what if you have to open up a three or four foot area, drywall is so easy to fill in , patch and paint. Then when you are done with framing in the inside and patching the inside, you can then cut the stucco with a diamond saw from the outside, making the exact cut needed. Of course you use a drill to mark the four corners of your cut-out so you know where to cut with you diamond blade.

Then you install the A/C case. Fasten it, caulk it and then slide in the unit.

One thing is when the wall is open on the inside, you can run an electrical box and have a dedicated power outlet for that A/C.

Hope this helps...Good luck. Robert --47.156.xx.xx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 9:54 AM
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Awesome! Thank you both Robert and WMH.

Working from the inside out makes sense, that explanation was perfect.

I'm going to go look up AJ Madison now. The idea of being able to just pop a unit out and replace it if it conks out is another big plus of through the wall vs central air. --172.58.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 10:14 AM
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Robert,

Most LLs here don't have stucco, just siding...

I use the four corner markers, then do my cuts. If I cut studs, I frame the opening just like a window rough opening: jack studs, header, etc. I finish with flashing on top of the a/c and sealing all around to stop leaks. --99.59.x.xxx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 10:48 AM
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Thanks Fred. I'm thinking I'll have a roll of that flashing tape (I think that's what its called,) on hand for the carpenter, as well as the flashing for over the AC. The carpenter mentioned getting J-channel too, as its aluminum siding.

--172.58.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 12:44 PM
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Inside out is how we did it too. Except at one place we forgot to look at the outside TOO, and ended up with an exterior shutter with a big AC in the middle of it LOL! Looks ridiculous. One of these days we need to remove the shutter, it will look a lot better, but keep forgetting. --50.82.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 1:34 PM
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WMH, that's funny! Oops! --172.58.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 1:46 PM
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I have 2 properties with window units. I've found that the insert from one has been able to be used on replacement units. Maybe you should see if the AC box can stay and just pull the guts out if that makes sense. The sides are filled in by the accordion sleeves-- so one size fits all. No carpenter work needed. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 2:01 PM
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MYOB, that will be how it works in the future. But right now, there is no AC at all, so we're at the starting point. (Well, these little houses had central AC, but when the houses were foreclosed on during the housing market crash, the outside bits grew legs and vamoosed! )

But, it is a good point to look for common sizes to the sleeve (sleeve is the metal box that houses the through the wall AC.) I wouldn't want to pick a particular model that is sized way differently than all the others, lest it become unavailable soon. So, I'll look for common dimensions among the models available. Thx

The one house that had an old, old TTW AC had a very large one, but it was easy enough for me to reframe in a smaller sleeve, trim around it. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 2:49 PM
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That's why we stick with the Amanas - common size. PTacs (think hotel units) require more structural work as they are wider. --50.82.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 3:29 PM
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The cost of installing a high efficiency split heat pump air conditioner are coming down. The advantage of a heat pump has higher efficiency along with heating and cooling which can used all year round. There is also less noise. A higher rent should cover the higher cost as the tenant will have lower utility bills and less noise. The higher cost can be amortized into rent over a period from 5 to 10 years. In the future no one knows where the cost of electricity, natural gas or oil is going to be five years from now. If coal fired generating power stations are phased out then count on higher electric bills. --147.194.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2018 4:48 PM
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Good points Robert, though my rents cannot go up too much more, or I'll get just the dregs of society.

Too bad we didn't have a bunch more nuclear power plants coming on line. Thorium molten salt reactors, among other much safer nuclear types. Back in the day, the powers that were wanted weapons, so facile nuclear was developed rather than docile (if I've got the terminology correct.) My understanding is Canada has quite a few nuclear reactors coming on line soon. So, maybe your costs will go down. I think US only has two new ones being built. Way too much misinformation about nuclear out there, prevents us from having safe, inexpensive energy. --172.58.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 26, 2018 12:46 PM
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The cost of a split will not drop to 3xwindow unit, so start framing them, adding dedicated circuit and I use boat carpet trimmings around the unit to retard the noise going to the house. --76.188.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 26, 2018 1:05 PM
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Does the boat carpet go between the unit and the sleeve, or between the sleeve and framing?

I do like the idea of cutting the noise. Thx Bee. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 26, 2018 1:14 PM
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I too would like some noise-dampening ideas! Thanks Vee? --50.82.xxx.xx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 26, 2018 2:31 PM
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I've got to do a better job at catching these autocorrects.

Vee not bee . --172.58.xxx.xxx




Through wall AC (by WL [CA]) Posted on: May 7, 2018 6:43 AM
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Window ac units cheaper for LL so I prefer removing wall ac units - I retrofit buildings with 36x36 windows in bedrooms so tenants can buy $99 Walmart window ACs and install when the weather gets hot. NO AC repair costs or headaches . . . of course, these buildings and not Park Avenue luxury apts . . . and in hot weather, I get stuck installing the $99 AC unit to get the places rented if not already equipped with AC. --174.65.xx.xx




Through wall AC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 7, 2018 7:00 AM
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Oh, sure they are cheaper for landlord. And much less secure, if that's the brand one is cultivating.... --172.58.xxx.xxx





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