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Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 19, 2018 11:12 AM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by Sandy [CO]) Apr 19, 2018 12:43 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by Johnny B. [MA]) Apr 19, 2018 1:57 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 19, 2018 2:55 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by Johnny B. [MA]) Apr 19, 2018 3:34 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by NE [PA]) Apr 19, 2018 3:39 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 19, 2018 5:47 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 19, 2018 8:52 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by Pmh [TX]) Apr 20, 2018 4:08 PM
       Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 20, 2018 4:33 PM


Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 11:12 AM
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About to close on my six unit. The inspection revealed about $ 20k of repairs. There are also some code violations amounting to less than $ 5k. This is a no money down deal with the seller holding a note for the down payment. Would you escrow the repairs from the loan proceeds or reduce the seller note. I prefer the latter approach but the former would preserve cash. Which would you pursue? The reduction of the seller note would occur with a seller credit to me at closing. --172.56.xx.xxx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 12:43 PM
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Unless you need the money from escrow to pay for the repairs, I would take the credit and handle the repairs on my own. The credit is easier, cleaner way to handle it. Just one less thing to think about. That’s what I would do, but it depends on your finances. --107.2.xxx.xx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 1:57 PM
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I know I’m not answering your question, but I have my own question on your financing approach. Are you saying that you have a primary loan thru a bank to purchase the property (say 70% LTV) and then the seller is holding a note in the second position for the remaining 30%? So you litterally have no out of pocket money? Is that possible? --174.199.x.xxx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 2:55 PM
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Johnny, yes. It is possible. I'll be out of pocket only for closing costs. This is possible, and common, with commercial financing. These mortgages are generally held by local financial institutions and are not sold on the secondary market. Thus the restraints that apply to residential mortgages don't apply. This is one reason I like to play in this arena. --64.121.xxx.xxx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 3:34 PM
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Thanks GKARL. I’ve just recently started exploring commercial loans, so I appreciate the info. To answer your initial question, I’d probably reduce the sellers note, and then take care of the $5k in code violations right away out of pocket. I’d get the place rented and generating cash flow, then I’d chip away at the other lesser issues with the monthly profit. --24.147.xx.xxx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 3:39 PM
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How sweet is the deal already? Are they repairs you HAVE to do right now or can you do them down the road?

If the deal is sweet already, I may swallow the repairs in trade for good owner financing.

If it was a bank purchase, all day long I'd negotiate.

Just a thought. --97.35.x.xxx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 5:47 PM
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NE, near term repairs involve roof replacement, replacing two water heaters and some plumbing repairs. The last two items will need to be done right away. The roof can wait a year or two. My deal is pretty good as it stands as my proforma shows a 12% cap. My bank appraises at 9% so the spread is forced equity once I re-position the property. I'm buying the place with units vacant and with under market rent. The seller is distressed. Because of that, there's some deferred maintenance that I have to deal with. I'll need to wrangle a concession against the note, but I won't go crazy with it as I have a pretty good deal as it stands. Once I sort, this should cash flow well. --207.172.xx.xxx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 19, 2018 8:52 PM
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I purchased a property from a seller that was going to carry back the note (first mortgage). The property was in such bad condition that no bank or lender with give a loan in it's present shape. That's why the seller is willing to carry back the first mortgage with little down.

This was 25 years ago and the I paid $250,000 and then had to spend $50,000 to fix things up. If the property was fixed up, then the sales price at that time would have been $350,000. So I got a discount and the seller got rid of a headache.

During the negotiations, the seller wanted $100,000 down payment. I laughed. I told the sellers that with the repairs, I would have to put out so much money that this investment would not be leveraged out and that I should buy someone else's property/building that was in good shape and would require less time, money and repairs.

So after I spent the $50,000 on repairs, proof of receipts and invoices, the sellers gave me back my down payment --they now had equity in the building if I defaulted. --47.156.xx.xx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2018 4:08 PM
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That is interesting you have found a local lender to carry a balance sheet note with nothing down. I deal with banks that will carry notes on their books but their terms have been similar to cmbs loan terms. a few years ago those loans were more flexible. Not anymore. Perhaps bc of size of loan. --166.137.xxx.xx




Escrow or note Reduction? (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2018 4:33 PM
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Pmh,

Secondary financing is not an issue with my credit union. On top of that, I have excellent rates at 4.75% locked for seven years. Loan size on this one is north of $ 200K; not huge. This is a value play and they know that. --64.121.xxx.xxx





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