amazon key? (by CJ [MO]) Apr 15, 2018 10:49 AM|
amazon key? (by Deanna [TX]) Apr 15, 2018 11:23 AM
amazon key? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Apr 15, 2018 2:32 PM
amazon key? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Apr 15, 2018 2:33 PM
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amazon key? (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 10:49 AM
Is amazon key good choice for vacant lock? I try to order one, but it said something only for invitation. I can not order. Do not know the problem.
Anyone ordered amazon key?
amazon key? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 11:23 AM
I'd trust Facebook or Google for access to my house at about the same time I'd trust Amazon.
In other words... Amazon is good for book orders and miscellaneous stuff, but I'm not about to entrust them with the security of a major component of my real life. --96.46.xxx.xx
amazon key? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 2:32 PM
There's no way in _ _ _ _ I'd trust a third party to manage my access control. Amazon is going to allow UPS and other shippers to have access to those locks. I doubt they're going to tightly manage it. After all, the purpose of that lock is to give delivery personnel the ability to enter your home. That's scary. Plus it's in Beta if it's invitation only. I bet there will be security issues with this product and I bet they will not tightly manage who has keys to use these locks.
Look at LockState. They have a remote lock and centralized codes that YOU control. They're a product promoted for Air B&B and I've used them in my home for about a year now. Works great. It also sends you messages and keeps a log of all activity. --108.69.xxx.xxx
amazon key? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 2:33 PM
Might as well let Alexa control your locks then all the burglar has to do is yell "Hey Alexa, unlock the door" through the window. --108.69.xxx.xxx
amazon key? (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 3:03 PM
NO, Amazon does not control who has access, They sell the lock and camera, I will give permission to someone to come in and camera record the access. --97.91.xxx.xxx
amazon key? (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 3:36 PM
UPS has dropped off stuff for other folks since the driver didn't read the address and just assumed it was for me since I order stuff a lot. They are not the best and brightest. One FedEx guy dropped some compounded dog medications on the outside of my fence instead of just putting it OVER the fence when he couldn't figure out how to open the gate. It's a four foot high picket fence with a little bitty bar on it. Don't let them use your house unless you want to walk in and see a naked guy on your couch. --69.141.xxx.xxx
amazon key? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 7:25 PM
You all seem to be making incorrect assumptions about Amazon Key. Like CJ said, she would still maintain full control over who can enter her home. In-house delivery is just one OPTIONAL portion of the Amazon Key system. It doesn't have to be used at all.
That being said, I don't see a reason to do this for a rental. I think it opens up some liabilities. Say the house gets robbed at some point. The tenants accidentally left their door unlocked, but they THINK they locked it. Then you get asked if you still have the app for their door locks. You likely do in case of emergency so that you could let them in -- but now it looks like you could be one of the ones at fault for allowing access to the house.
It just isn't worth the hassle. Plus, it is currently associated with an Amazon Account. How would you transfers that to each new tenant?
So, it does not have the issues that some are mentioning above -- they don't seem to really understand how Amazon Key works (and that in-house deliver is just an option that you don't have to use at all). But I still wouldn't recommend it for a rental due to other issues.
amazon key? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 7:33 PM
LotF: Just so you know, Amazon Key is very much like your LockState system. You do control your own codes for access for yourself and friends. If you decide to use the OPTIONAL in-house delivery, then Amazon gives a one-time code to the background-checked driver for the limited time window for delivery. And, again, that is completely optional.
Also, even when you enable Alexa with Amazon Key, you cannot unlock the door with a voice command. They fully thought about your potential security hole of shouting at Alexa from outside to try to unlock the door. It isn't possible and therefore isn't an issue.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not a big fan of Amazon Key and don't have or recommend it myself. But it really doesn't have the problems that you're describing. Especially from a person that has a very similar system (LockState).
amazon key? (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 8:15 PM
The reason I want to buy one is amazon have it on sale with lock and camera kit for $170, which is cheaper than lock alone.
I am not going to give amazon key lock to tenant, that is too much trouble to teach them to use and too much liability. I thought it will be great system for empty unit and give code to prospect and camera to record prospect. But we need to get a hot spot wifi to use it. --97.91.xxx.xxx
amazon key? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2018 11:48 PM
If you saw the people they are using to deliver those KEY accounts...
Simply have your Amazon packages deliverd to THe UPS Store or other UPS Drop Off locations. Many stores are now accepting your Amazon deliveries to keep them safe and get you into their store.
amazon key? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2018 5:14 AM
Brad: You also seem to be missing the point. This has nothing to do with the delivery of packages. :(
Did anyone actually read what CJ wants to do with this instead of just assuming it was for in-home package delivery??
CJ: Actually, for that use (a way to temporarily show units when you aren't there), it might not be a bad way to go. Provided that you can also provide a HotSpot for internet. I know several other LLs do the same thing with similar technology.
amazon key? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2018 5:53 AM
Anything electric that you run over any wifi or internet - you'd be a fool to think Big Brother can get in or open or control. Just accept the risk and run your business. Pick your poison. The trade off could be a real benefit but don't be a fool and think only you can access and only you have control. Honesty is about all that keeps it honest! --99.203.xx.xx
amazon key? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2018 6:12 AM
Easier to use a $30 Masterlock key box from Lowes. I ordered in bulk (4 or more) off Lowes.com and get 10% off.
Set up a simple form on Google docs or your website that interested parties can go to and request a showing code. They fill out the info and send you a text photo of their ID. You do a quick CaseNet search on them, and if all is good, send them the entry code.
I check my vacant units at least once a week, and the water is shut off. Helps minimize the amount of damage potential. Class C units. My worst scenario used to be someone left a light on for 3 days, but now I had someone tap the ash off their cigarette on my new Allure floor. Fortunately, I was able to fix that with a broom and 30 seconds of time. I figure having an electronic key box wouldn't have stopped either of those issues.
amazon key? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2018 8:30 AM
plenty: Sure, but that's true with all of these people that do "lockbox" showings too. I can pop most of those open with a bobby pin and a tension wrench in under 30 seconds. I guarantee that these new digital locks from places like Amazon Key are going to be harder to open than those lockbox things lots of people here like.
I just don't see it as a big security issue. Especially when the lockboxes don't have cameras too. :)
amazon key? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2018 8:50 AM
Yes sure. I don't disagree with technologies. Just don't think any only you control, and only you. --99.203.xx.xx
amazon key? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2018 10:54 AM
I think that is being a bit paranoid. Sure, I get it, but it just isn't happening in reality.
Do you feel the same way about your phone, home PC or laptop, and so on? Do you think that government has immediate remove access to all of the data on those too? If you DO think that, I think you are being overly paranoid. If you DON'T think that, then I don't see why you'd think they'd have access to your Amazon Key device.
Sure, Amazon would have the ABILITY to unlock it remotely -- since that is part of a feature built into the device. But I don't think it means that it is a significant security risk at this point.
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