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help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 5:52 PM
       help please (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 1, 2018 6:03 PM
       help please (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Apr 1, 2018 6:07 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 6:08 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 6:12 PM
       help please (by myob [GA]) Apr 1, 2018 6:16 PM
       help please (by Vee [OH]) Apr 1, 2018 6:17 PM
       help please (by Vee [OH]) Apr 1, 2018 6:18 PM
       help please (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Apr 1, 2018 6:24 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 6:28 PM
       help please (by AllyM [NJ]) Apr 1, 2018 6:30 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 6:56 PM
       help please (by Barb [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 7:07 PM
       help please (by Lynda [TX]) Apr 1, 2018 7:08 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 7:18 PM
       help please (by plenty [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 7:40 PM
       help please (by Gail K [GA]) Apr 1, 2018 8:18 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 1, 2018 8:47 PM
       help please (by John... [MI]) Apr 2, 2018 6:30 AM
       help please (by RB [MI]) Apr 2, 2018 6:58 AM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 7:41 AM
       help please (by Jeffrey [VA]) Apr 2, 2018 7:48 AM
       help please (by Jeffrey [VA]) Apr 2, 2018 7:56 AM
       help please (by Jeffrey [VA]) Apr 2, 2018 8:13 AM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 11:10 AM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 11:22 AM
       help please (by John... [MI]) Apr 2, 2018 11:25 AM
       help please (by John... [MI]) Apr 2, 2018 11:27 AM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 11:32 AM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 11:34 AM
       help please (by J [FL]) Apr 2, 2018 2:46 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 2:59 PM
       help please (by John... [MI]) Apr 2, 2018 3:20 PM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 2, 2018 3:42 PM
       help please (by John... [MI]) Apr 3, 2018 6:27 AM
       help please (by J [FL]) Apr 3, 2018 10:18 AM
       help please (by CJ [MO]) Apr 3, 2018 11:12 AM
       help please (by Vee [OH]) Apr 3, 2018 11:40 AM
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help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 5:52 PM
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Someone looked at our rental unit and applied. But they are going to put autistic adults in the unit under their company. No, I think they should rent a house because those people kick and jump badly.

--97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:03 PM
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So long as you have a written criteria outlining the qualifications you desire for your rentals, then do a complete background check and find a legitimate reason

to deny them tenancy. Like credit score, income, time on the job, income, bank savings, etc. --47.156.xx.xx




help please (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:07 PM
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CJ, I have written about this before. Search for "group homes". My son has special needs and spent some time in a staffed group home. If you decide to accept this agency, you will need some special lease provisions. Make sure the AGENCY -- not the clients- is the tenant. Make sure the AGENCY is responsible for the cost of repairs (the agency can in turn charge their clients).. Set a schedule for regular inspections in your lease, and bill for repairs as damages occur. A staffed group home will probably be cleaner and better maintained than your typical tenants, as state social workers and client families will be frequent visitors.

Renting to agencies that run group homes can be very profitable for LLs. Plus, you could always decline the agency or raise your rent to compensate for the increased wear and tear. --98.146.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:08 PM
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But this company owner applied and said she is cosigner. We do not want to rent to company to rent to someone else. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:12 PM
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It will be ok if it is sfh. But this is multi family unit and it will be confusing to other resident to have a company and different people there all the time.

--97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:16 PM
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no way no how --99.103.xxx.xxx




help please (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:17 PM
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We do not take co-signers but you are welcome to purchase as a main signer with your bank, Really you can not handle a monthly rental so I do not suggest adopting adult kids before you win the super duper lottery and can afford to deal with police reports, detectives buying drugs on your rear yard, the nurses who sleep thru the smoke detectors, with or without having partners visit them for 7hours. This is not the customer for you until you succeed with more training. --76.188.xxx.xx




help please (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:18 PM
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Help Please is the right headline for this scenario, get the help to sell them this house.. --76.188.xxx.xx




help please (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:24 PM
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Then REJECT HER. You do not have to accept co-signers and it sounds like she is planning on subletting. Doesn't your lease forbid subletting? Doesn't your lease forbid running a business on the property? You DO NOT have to bend your criteria to accept her or her clients.

Accept the applications, screen as normal, and reject if she or her clients do not meet income, credit score, time on job, and previous LL references. --98.146.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:28 PM
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Yes, My lease does not allow sublet/run business. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:30 PM
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You don't allow subletting. Very simple. It sounds as if this woman is just using them to make money and will not supervise them. --69.141.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 6:56 PM
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She is making money. but she said she will be there 3 to 4 days a week. I think that is to take care of him and make money during those time. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 7:07 PM
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"Those people kick and jump badly" is a sterotype and not always the case.

Just say that you only rent to individuals or families that you can garnish from in the event it is necessary. You don't do co-signers, and you don't allow a business to be run from the home.

Missouri does allow you to say no to this. --64.251.xxx.xxx




help please (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 7:08 PM
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CJ, you receive a lot of stress with your regular tenants. DON'T take on an even MORE stressful situation like this. As mentioned above, find a way to decline this application. It will be nothing but trouble for you. Remember this is YOUR business and you make the rules. Stay strong. Don't let a person's strong personality push you into anything you don't want to do. Who cares what she says?? If you say NO, the answer is no. Then stop talking to her, listening to her, and taking her calls. There are a lot better tenants out there. --108.87.xx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 7:18 PM
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I told them "No", It will be lots of stress. Just for today's showing, this person, his parents, his coordinator, and the company (mom and daughter) large group. How many people are gong to come over 24 hour a day and every day? --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 7:40 PM
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Frustration comes when we try to qualify applications we should be disqualifying... Just be ok to say NO... You can't qualify them all. Learn the difference sooner, on the first phone contact. --99.203.xx.xxx




help please (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 8:18 PM
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I am not interested in any of my rental properties becoming group homes. And yes, I've had a few ask about turning one or two of my larger houses into one.

Around here there have been a number of unlicensed group homes recently shut down. Horrible living arrangements for their residents.

Gail --71.203.xx.xx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2018 8:47 PM
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This is just for one disabled person. The applicant is the company. I do not understand why they put him alone, not in a group home. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 6:30 AM
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CJ: I hope you are very careful with this. I say this because you VERY OFTEN have communication issues with applicants and tenants as you've posted about them here numerous times.

You are denying someone with a disability. You need to be very careful about that. If you deny them because you think it will "cause you stress" or because you say that they will "kick and jump", then be prepared to be sued for denying someone because of their disability.

You need to be very sure that you deny for the proper reason: either the co-signing or the sub-leasing or something very specific. Have your WRITTEN CRITERIA in order.

Again, I say this because you have repeatedly had miscommunication issues in the past. I am very concerned that you are going to tell them "no" because you "don't want to be stressed" or because you don't want them to "kick and jump and confuse the other tenants" like you've said here. Both of those reasons are a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Please be careful.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




help please (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 6:58 AM
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What would Elmer J. Fudd say ? --47.35.xx.xx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 7:41 AM
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I told them we do not rent to applicant not living there and returned their application. We do not allow sublease in our lease, but they said they are not sublease.

It is the company's owner or daughter applied --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 7:48 AM
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CJ, please read John's post above one more time. His advice could possibly save you tens of thousands of dollars. --72.214.xx.x




help please (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 7:56 AM
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Another note. Refusing to allow someone with a disability to have a co-signer is NOT a good reason to deny. It can be viewed from a fair housing perspective that allowing a co-signer is a reasonable accommodation that should be permitted. --72.214.xx.x




help please (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 8:13 AM
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Another note: Parent may be playing the role of a caretaker in someway (another reasonable accommodation that should be permitted) and therefore it may very well not be a sublease situation. If so, you do NOT want to deny a person with a disability from having a parent play the role of caretaker.

Bottom line CJ; if a landlord is to deny housing to a person with a disability, it really needs to be for a non-discriminatory business reason other than what you have stated in this discussion. --72.214.xx.x




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 11:10 AM
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Sorry, I thought it is business reason. The applicant has to stay there, not just give the place to any one. We did not deny based on disability,The disability person did not even apply. It is the owner or coowner of the business applied. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 11:22 AM
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The owner and coowner of the business, one has eviction record, one live the the other no rent history.

--97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 11:25 AM
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All we are saying is that "the applicant has to stay there" might not be acceptable. For example, depending on the situation, it is possible that the person with the disability isn't even able to enter into contracts. Therefore, someone else would HAVE to apply (such as as a co-signer).

I'm saying saying to please be careful. I recommend you consult a lawyer on this one. Simply because, again, you have had communication issues in the past.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




help please (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 11:27 AM
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I was writing that last one at the same time, so I didn't see yours until after I posted.

If that is the case, just make sure that THAT is the reason you denied them -- that they had a past eviction or no rental history -- and, again, make sure that your WRITTEN CRITERIA specify that those things are required to rent from you.

Be sure to tell them that they are being denied due to a past eviction or poor rental history. Do NOT say that you denied them for the reasons that you stated to us above (that you didn't want the "stress" or were worried about "kicking and jumping").

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 11:32 AM
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Thanks John.

Yes, I am very careful, that is why I asked question here.

We had two units the moms signed lease with children and moved out. Very difficult to deal with both parents and kids. They all think they are not responsible. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 11:34 AM
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Is "Infraction" case good or bad?

I am careful because I want to follow the law and also I can not deal with tough people. They all think they speak better and stronger than me. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by J [FL]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 2:46 PM
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OK, they didn't qualify based on eviction.

But if that eviction hadn't been there--would she have been able to DQ this group based on running "business activity" out of the home instead of using it as a residence? If I'm understanding correctly it sounds like a company, not individuals, was wanting to rent this place, and then place other people in there on their own. --72.188.xxx.xx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 2:59 PM
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Mom has eviction. Daughter lives with mom, but with "Infraction"case

They apply as individual, but they plan to use it for her company.

They are not roommate or b/F friends as most people will assume. They did not tell us anything up front, Other people heard they conversation about get how much money the organization going to pay.

They put down very extremely high income, I guess is gross from business. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 3:20 PM
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J: Part of the issue is that, based on previous threads by CJ, I'm not sure we really KNOW if it is "business activity" or not. It could just be confusion.

And, yes, denying because of an eviction is fine. The big question is: is that what she TOLD THEM she denied for? That is my concern.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2018 3:42 PM
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The eviction is the mom, The daughter, business co-owner has no eviction and no rental history (living with mom). The daughter has a job reasonable income, but the daughter said she is the business owner. Both mom and daughter made appointment to view the unit, Mom viewed a couple times.

I believe the mom is the real business owner because daughter has full time job and makes reasonable income.

She told me it is her business activity after I asked questions. I asked question only because she applied. She did not tell us business activity on the application.

--97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2018 6:27 AM
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Why do you keep bringing up who is or isn't the "business owner." You said that they did NOT apply as a business. They applied personally. Therefore, I'm not sure it MATTERS who owns the business or not.

Again, this is why I am concerned for you. You are walking on very dangerous legal ground.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




help please (by J [FL]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2018 10:18 AM
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Thanks John. The situation is confusing.

I think it's better not to give a reason for denial unless it's required by law. --72.188.xxx.xx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2018 11:12 AM
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No, it does not matter who is the business owner. it is used for business purpose. They are family business together. --97.91.xxx.xxx




help please (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2018 11:40 AM
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Give up talking with them, until they come forward with a purchase agreement you are happy with. Say this phrase --> I can not help you <--, repeat, repeat, repeat, after 25 times it comes out much easier when you get these goofy applicants. --76.188.xxx.xx




help please (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2018 7:25 PM
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They do not meet our rent criteria. The problem is I am very scared to deny any one because some tough people threaten me all the time when anything not in their favorite. --97.91.xxx.xxx



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