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Dog dies in overhead bin (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 13, 2018 8:54 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by cjo'h [CT]) Mar 13, 2018 9:31 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Mar 14, 2018 3:47 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by S i d [MO]) Mar 14, 2018 4:43 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Mar 14, 2018 5:17 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Mar 14, 2018 5:17 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by RB [MI]) Mar 14, 2018 5:35 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Mar 14, 2018 6:03 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by Vee [OH]) Mar 14, 2018 6:30 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 14, 2018 6:32 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 14, 2018 6:36 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by WMH [NC]) Mar 14, 2018 6:53 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Mar 14, 2018 6:54 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by MYOB [GA]) Mar 14, 2018 7:47 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 14, 2018 7:56 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Mar 14, 2018 8:27 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by S i d [MO]) Mar 14, 2018 9:20 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by AllyM [NJ]) Mar 14, 2018 9:23 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Mar 14, 2018 9:51 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 14, 2018 10:39 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 14, 2018 10:41 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Mar 14, 2018 11:23 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Mar 14, 2018 12:25 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by cjo'h [CT]) Mar 14, 2018 1:43 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by DJ [VA]) Mar 14, 2018 8:58 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 15, 2018 12:09 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2018 4:39 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 15, 2018 5:45 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2018 7:58 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 15, 2018 1:00 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Mar 16, 2018 7:47 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 16, 2018 1:45 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 16, 2018 1:46 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 16, 2018 1:46 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Mar 16, 2018 4:21 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by J [FL]) Mar 16, 2018 5:57 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Mar 17, 2018 6:40 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 17, 2018 7:55 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Mar 17, 2018 8:07 AM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by RB [MI]) Mar 17, 2018 1:06 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 17, 2018 1:22 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Mar 17, 2018 2:02 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 18, 2018 9:16 AM
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       Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Mar 18, 2018 12:29 PM
       Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Mar 19, 2018 5:52 AM
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Dog dies in overhead bin (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 8:54 PM
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Slightly related to our plight with animals-

Basically the attendant put the puppy on the overhead amd it died during the flight.

Didnít anyone check on it???

jalopnik.com/dog-dies-on-united-flight-after-flight-attendant-forces-1823745388

No mention of ESA.

BRAD --68.51.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 9:31 PM
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Brad,so sad.but accidents happen,true it shouldn't have had.A little stupidly there too..........charlie............we don't accept animals,so shouldn't affect the rentals........unless they try to smuggle one in a shopping bag........................................ --174.199.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 3:47 AM
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Did hear about this. I'm sure there is more to the story...The Rest of The Story. --99.203.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 4:43 AM
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And in other interesting airline animal news....

chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-spirit-airlines-flush-hamster-20180208-story.html --173.17.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 5:17 AM
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Any hear of Carolyn's flying with a cat from Missouri to Paris story? Wheezzz that cat gave her a run for her money. Quite a story. The thinks only a Grandparent would do for Grandkids! Should make the convention roundtable! --99.203.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 5:17 AM
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Any hear of Carolyn's flying with a cat from Missouri to Paris story? Wheezzz that cat gave her a run for her money. Quite a story. The thinks only a Grandparent would do for Grandkids! Should make the convention roundtable! --99.203.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 5:35 AM
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Dog gone Flight Attendant, anyway. --47.35.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 6:03 AM
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Love dogs and animals. Should not be allowed on airplanes -- especially not in the cabin with passengers.

There are accomodations made for people with peanut allergies in that there not served when the crew knows someones allergic. But but but alergic to aniaml hair and dander-- OH WHO cares?

How about urine? Feces?

Pets stay at home or in the kennel.

Story: we were flying out of MIA when a "comfort dog" was boarded with a family of 4. A pit bull comfort dog with no mussel..... How about the lady with parrot?

I agree there's more to this than meets the eye and the news is sensationalizing it for slaes. Who can come up with a more outrageous story? --99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 6:30 AM
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By comparison the people in America are taking many more risks to care for animals than they do for a fellow human being, heroin - chrystal meth, sorority drunkenness - the others not in the news.... --76.188.xxx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 6:32 AM
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You can't really compare peanut allergies and pet allergies. For the peanut allergy exception to apply on a plane, you need to be pretty much DEATHLY allergic to them -- people that go into anaphylactic shock from eating just a tiny amount of them.

That simply isn't the case for most people allergic to "pet dander."

It's a bad analogy, sorry.

Don't get me wrong -- I dislike the fake ESAs as much as the next guy. But I disagree that PROPERLY HANDLED animals -- including paid-for pets -- shouldn't be allowed to ride in the cabin. I've been on tons of flights with cats and small dogs in proper carriers. Never had a problem. We don't need to ban all pets from planes just because of some bad apples.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 6:36 AM
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Also, as for THIS story, I don't see that there is necessarily "more to it" or that it is being sensationalized. The flight attendant screwed up. By United's own policy, traveling pets are NOT to be placed in overhead bins. But the FA, against policy, forced the passenger to place the dog (in its proper carrier, I'll add) into the overhead bin for a 3+ hour flight. The FA assured the passenger that this was REQUIRED and that the dog would be fine. The FA was wrong -- it was not required (or even ALLOWED) and the dog died.

This isn't some sensationalized story. It has nothing to do with ESAs or Service Animals or anything else. United already fully admitted that their FA was wrong and violated policy. The FA made a mistake -- period.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 6:53 AM
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The FA said she didn't realize an animal was in the carrier, which is a pretty ridiculous lie. --50.82.xxx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 6:54 AM
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I did not read or hear that this was a service or comfort animal...did you? --99.203.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by MYOB [GA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 7:47 AM
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Maybe the pet was expired already. Can't believe if it was OK owner wouldn't have told attendant.

John MI-- I think the comparison is a good one. If you would look at my grandsons eyes when he's around dog hair and then has to use his emergency inhaler. I see though it doesn't kill him like peanuts kill?

--99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 7:56 AM
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myob: Witnesses on the plane saw the puppy alive in the carrier before it went in the overhead.

I'm not sure why you think this is some conspiracy or something. United has already admitted that the FA was wrong and made a mistake and this was against policy. She thought it should go in the overhead and was wrong -- and it died.

And, we can agree to disagree on your analogy. People are simply much more likely to be killed by a severe peanut allergy than by a pet dander reaction.

Also, the other reason that the analogy doesn't work is that it is EASY to substitute pretzel for peanuts on a flight to avoid a serious health risk due to peanut allergy. It is NOT "easy" to suddenly make an entire plane free from any animals as people may have already paid for them, of course -- or have seeing eye dogs and other such animals. It isn't a simple matter of making a minor change for the safety of the allergy sufferer like it is for peanuts.

Again, they really aren't similar situations at all.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 8:27 AM
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I do see it as a conspiracy. When reading the article it's the poor owner and the mean waitress. Woman traveling with 2 kids-- like that has anything to do with it.

The dog is described as being in a briefcase and put in the luggage compartment-- sure people have a vision of "luggage" compartment when in fact it was an overhead bin.

The puppy is suppose to fit in a pet carrier and from the article it was but when under the seat in front of woman it blocked the footpath. We've all been on flights-- every flight actually where there is a final inspection prior to takeoff by the "FLIGHT ATTENDANT" TO BE SURE EVERYONE IS BUCKLED UP, seats are upright, tray tables locked and the all important--- that item on the floor needs to be clear or placed in the overhead. FAA regulation.

One story had pet in backpack-- that's also illegal and she never should have been allowed on plane with animal in it.

My analogy is not for DEATH vs Sick-- but unhealthy.

When you could smoke on planes-- it didn't kill the non smoker right away either? I know hate that analogy toooo. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 9:20 AM
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Quick, let's get back to fighting over "anthem kneelers" in the NFL before this gets any worse.... (grins)

I don't think it was a conspiracy, but if you read the story at the link Brad provided it's clearly an Op-Ed piece by someone who is way too emotionally involved in other people's problems. Tons of f-bombs and s-bombs dropped everywhere.

Am I sad someone's pet died? Sure, about as sad as I'd be if someone I didn't know on FB posted it....which is to say, not very sad. I enjoy animals, but I don't get to the point of screaming on the internet about people I don't know in situations I wasn't involved in.

Part of the problem in our social-media addicted world today is we feel that everyone elses' business is our business and requires our comments. In this case....it's really not and it really doesn't. There are about 7 people truly concerned in this story (the pet owner, her 2 kids, the flight attendant, 2 attorneys, and the CEO of United)...the other 356,999,993 of the USA citizen can resume our daily business. --173.17.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 9:23 AM
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Someone must have given it a sedative to keep it quiet and gave it too much and suffocation may have been a part of that if it was in a purse. I am getting more on that but it's not politically correct to post it. Has to do with ethnicity. --69.141.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 9:51 AM
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SID if this rental stuff doesn't work out you have the comic show club and investigative reporting gig is available to fall back on. 7 VS 356M that was good. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 10:39 AM
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myob: I still don't see the conspiracy except what you seem to be injecting into it. The dog was in a proper carrier (not a "briefcase") and was put in the overhead (not the luggage compartment).

There are pictures of the pet carrier out there that the puppy was in. It should have fit under the seat in front of her. And, the main point is -- IF IT DID NOT FIT UNDER THE SEAT, THEN POLICY SAYS THAT IT STILL CANNOT GO IN THE OVERHEAD BIN. Period. The Flight Attendant was WRONG to do that -- the FA told her that it was policy when the actual policy is the opposite of that. United have confirmed this in an official statement.

So I still don't see the conspiracy! The FA made a huge mistake and a dog died likely because of it. There is no sensationalism here. There is no conspiracy. Everyone involved (United, the flight attendant, the dog owners) seems to be in agreement that that is what happened.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 10:41 AM
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Note that I agree with Sid that THIS particular article that Brad linked is pretty bad. But, what do people expect from Jalopnik?

The point is that there are other sources out there that confirm things and show more photos and such. There still isn't some conspiracy about what happened.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 11:23 AM
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John I wasn't making it up. Those where the words from the news post on Google news. I read it just prior to responding -- seriously.

Conspiracy is contained in sensationalizing it with erroneous wording-- like put in bag bin?

quick question: plane is taxing out-- flight crew sees item blocking path-- OK can't put it in bag bin (overhead) than where do you put it? stop plane open door and toss on taxiway?

John really I have work to do so let's move forward to something constructive -- maybe throwing little old ladies out of their home while feeding the 5 kids at the table. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 12:25 PM
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Several other passengers have posted details on the incident.

The dog was in a carrier as required by United. The woman tried to put the dog under the seat in front of her as is required and as published on United website.

It was obvious to everyone including the stewardess it was a live 9 month old puppy. The owner tried to have the dog stay under the seat but the stewardess was insisting it had to be in the overhead and assured her it would be ok. Some of the passengers almost got involved but figured that the overhead compartment must be ventilated why else would she be told to put a living creature in there.

The other passengers said the dog initially whimpered for sometime and then went silent so everyone figured the puppy had simply fallen asleep.

When the plane landed and the owner retrieved the dog she found it lifeless. Tried to give it CPR. The passengers said the woman just sat in the aisle crying and everyone was stunned especially when the stewardess who ordered the dog be put there suddenly claimed she didn't know it was a dog even though the passengers clearly heard the owner several times mention it was a dog.

More animals died on United last year than every other carrier combined. It's a great source of income and if it dies oh well it's only an animal. --71.75.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 1:43 PM
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Even in the overhead compartment,why did it die? Shouldn't there be enough oxygen there too......charlie....................maybe something else.............................time for some hello and creme..................... --174.199.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2018 8:58 PM
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I heard this news story and was horrified. First, at the airline employee for insisting on such a thing. Then also at the owners for being willing to do what the employee said. Made me think of a recent post about "Stupid people". So sad. --68.105.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2018 12:09 AM
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Yea, Sorry. I forgot how the linked website is written by Millennials to Millennials and likes to be cool by peppering it with cursing.

Comments are even cruder.

One thing they do - they update the article as new info becomes available so what I posted might have been shorter than what someone reads later.

I fully expected someone to revel this was an ESA travelling for free.

FYI: United has accepted full responsibility and apologized.

The reason I posted: does this event have any impact or relate to how LLs manage animals?

BRAD

--68.51.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2018 4:39 AM
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Brad it does concern RE. She was going on vacation with dog and family and hasn't paid my rent in 2 months. She's being evicted for non pay-- yet she's in first class traveling. She just paid 2500.00 for th pet. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2018 5:45 AM
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myob: I didn't say you were "making it up." I said that you seem to be believing that there is some conspiracy when there simply isn't one.

It is not that difficult to sort out "sensational journalism" from reality. But you seem to be hanging on to the wrong part of it.

As I said and then NC INVESTOR just restated: the facts are pretty clear. People aren't in disagreement over what happened and who was at fault. But you seem to want to still blame the passenger based on some bits of sensationalized news for some reason.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2018 7:58 AM
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To be clear: I BLAME THE DOG OWNER 100%. They don't belong in: restaurants, in hotels, on ships, in airplanes, at a gun range or in church etc...WHEN A DOG FALLS THROUGH THE ICE i ALSO DON'T BELIEVE A HUMAN SHOULD RISK HIS LIFE TO SAVE A DOG.

They are animals. I don't want my family in a hotel room that an animal has pee'ed or done #2 on the floor or a restaurant that allows dogs or cats or whatever to be in a chair at a table drooling on the table. It's wrong.

I love pets. They are animals however and person (s) PEOPLE have lost sight of that. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2018 1:00 PM
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Ok, well, I completely disagree then. Dogs certainly are allowed in planes. Again, this wasn't even an ESA or some fake thing from what we can tell -- it is a situation where someone paid their fair share to have the dog on the plane. There are things in place to make sure they are properly caged and such. No one is violating any rules here -- other than just your personal opinions that no dogs should be allowed on planes.

The reality is that people move to other parts of the world now and then who happen to have pets. They shouldn't have to leave them behind just because you've decided that dogs "don't belong" in certain places.

If you don't want to stay in a hotel room that has had a dog in the room ever, then don't stay in hotels that take pets. It simply isn't that easy for planes.

A dog in a proper carrier on a plane isn't at all like a dog in a restaurant in a chair drooling at the table. You must see that those aren't even CLOSE in comparison, right?

Someone having a dog at a table in a restaurant is nothing at all like a dog in a pet carrier on a plane. Sheesh.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2018 7:47 AM
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I agree with myob(GA) ! Just bought a vacation home in Georgia that I'm visiting. Went to a lovely local park and one of the best things about it were all the "absolutely no dogs allowed" signs! We were in heaven and felt free to walk freely without fear of stepping in something.

The more Georgians I meet the more I want to stay here full time. They are friendly, down to earth, common sense people. A lot of them are transplants though so it may just be the more relaxed, slow paced, nature filled environment. Still each day makes me want to sell more and more. --75.89.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2018 1:45 PM
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So because you like dog-free areas, you think all areas that you use should be dog-free apparently? And you think that is "friendly" and "common sense"?

Sheesh. I think I'll stay out of Georgia then -- and probably Florida too. When I think of "friendly", I certainly don't think of people that don't care about other people as long as it is "just right" for themselves!

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2018 1:46 PM
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So because you like dog-free areas, you think all areas that you use should be dog-free apparently? And you think that is "friendly" and "common sense"?

Sheesh. I think I'll stay out of Georgia then -- and probably Florida too. When I think of "friendly", I certainly don't think of people that don't care about other people as long as it is "just right" for themselves!

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2018 1:46 PM
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[Sorry for the double-post. Site went dead for a minute.] --24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2018 4:21 PM
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Oh John,

>>When I think of "friendly", I certainly don't think of people that don't care about other people as long as it is "just right" for themselves!<<

I could not agree more. --75.89.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2018 5:57 PM
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John,

I get what Lisa is saying. Not specifically about dogs, but in the bigger metro areas of Florida there seems to be a lot of people with entitlement mentality, no consideration for neighbors or those around them. I stopped overnight in a town in South Carolina on a driving trip recently and the slower pace and change was a breath of fresh air. --72.188.xxx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2018 6:40 AM
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J,

Exactly! Woke up this morning in the Georgia mountains to the sounds of birds chirping. No garbage from the neighbors house in our yard either. Heck, we can't even hear their music. We actually can open the windows here.

My other half proceeded to imitate what we'd hear at home......morocylces fired up, ad naseum dog barking for the next half hour (once one starts the others start and nobody stops them regardless of time of day), and then there is the domestic violence/bipolar etc....house across the street which gives us continual police presence at least.

It's no wonder we want to sell everything and stay here. So good for the soul. The nice polite people are just icing on the cake.

Courtesy goes both ways. --75.89.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2018 7:55 AM
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I am completely aware (and angered) by the incredibly entitlement mentality out there. The faking of ESAs, for example, drives me nuts.

But, in this case, we're talking about people arguing that ALL pets should be banned from planes. That they "don't belong" there EVER regardless if people paid their fees for them and might be moving across the country for a new job or something.

That has NOTHING to do with entitlement mentality. That is paying a fee for something that they need.

I just don't think this was an example of any such "entitlement" attitude.

And, yes, courtesy does go both ways. Asking people to NOT fake an ESA and to PAY for their pet to fly and use a PROPER carrier is what is being courteous. Telling those people that they simply aren't allow to do it because you don't think pets should ever be allowed to fly is NOT showing "courtesy", sorry.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2018 8:07 AM
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John, we really don't disagree.

I don't have a problem with people following the rules. Even cases where I do t care for the rules. If I don't like the rules I can act to try and change them or I can choose not to take a particular mode of transportation or eat at a particular place.

In this case the lady was following the rules. Ok, fine.

It's still completely ok to believe pets and/or animals don't belong in the cabin area on planes. It's an opinion. --75.89.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2018 1:06 PM
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ESA's are Kinda like Redneck Neighbors, with Fireworks.

Although Legal, its an inconvenience to (many) Others. --47.35.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2018 1:22 PM
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LisaFL: I can agree that it is just an "opinion" to never allow pets in the cabin on planes. I was just saying that I didn't think it was a "friendly" or "common sense" opinion. :)

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2018 2:02 PM
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That would completely depend on which side you're on.

It's also an opinion that animals don't belong in shopping carts. Most people would feel that is only being courteous and showing common sense. Yet just go to the store and look around.

So what is rude, self-centered and inconsiderate behavior? That's for each of us to decide. I would bet the majority believe most animals don't belong in restaurants, shopping carts or airplane cabins. Most people have basic common sense, or at least they used to. --75.89.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 18, 2018 9:16 AM
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I don't think it does depend on which side you are on, I guess. I think that it is unreasonable (and unfriendly) to suggest that people with pets cannot move them to other locations.

Sometimes, a mild inconvenience for others outweighs the other factors.

So, to me, it would not be "friendly" to say that people with pets can't move them across the country in a plane at all. That seemed to be what was being said here -- and I disagree that that is a reasonable "solution" (and it certainly isn't a "friendly" or "common sense" once to me).

"Common sense" would dictate, in my opinion, that a reasonable compromise would be the "friendly" thing to do. Not an all-out ban on pets on planes.

(Again, we're not even talking about ESAs here. We're talking about family pets were the family need to move across the country.)

- John...

--71.13.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 18, 2018 9:18 AM
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Also, to clarify, I think your shopping cart example fails as a good analogy here. We're not talking about people taking their pets on a plane for a joy-ride or where there is some other easy solution to "just not take them" like you would say about a shopping cart.

We're talking about situations where people need to move across the country -- thousands of miles -- where there is no other good alternative. I don't think those people should be disallowed to take their pets with them when they move.

Finally, while I agree with you that the "majority" of people would probably think that pets don't belong in shopping carts or restaurants -- I would actually DISAGREE with you when it comes to planes. I think the "majority" of people would see that it is just common sense that some people with pets need to move across the country. I think most people would agree that paying for a pet to travel and having it in a proper/approved carrier is not unreasonable.

So, if we need to agree to disagree on that, so be it.

- John...

--71.13.xx.xx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Mar 18, 2018 12:29 PM
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John,

Do you honestly think the majority of the animals seen today in airplane cabins are due to people moving with their pets across country? Because I'd suggest that's pretty far out there.

Most people moving across country don't take an airplane.

But yeah, if you're moving to Hawaii, it make sense to take your pet on the plane. Although depending on its size it likely is more suited to be in cargo. Like it used to be when people had more common sense and respect for others and cheating the system wasn't the norm. --75.89.xx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2018 5:52 AM
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I think your last sentence says it perfectly -- I think your opinion of legit people taking pets on planes (that they PAID for) is being clouded by your opinion of cheating the system with ESAs.

I simply have no problem with people that paid for their pet to fly and followed proper procedure. I don't think they are showing disrespect to anyone for doing that.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2018 12:05 PM
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I've been on planes traveling in this country and to other parts of the World where I was seated next to an animal(dog)

,didn't cause me any concern.Found most dogs are cleaner than some people.Amd they don't keep talking unnecessarily.So they are good travelling companions. Still don't know why that dog died,even in the overhead bin? There should be as much oxygen there as anywhere else.............charlie..........I know it was a stupid decision to put it there,but even so?..................................................................................... --174.199.x.xxx




Dog dies in overhead bin (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2018 12:20 PM
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The theory is that due to no circulation in the overhead bins, that there is a limited oxygen supply. Even though it doesn't seal air-tight, there is still not enough air flow (apparently) to provide enough oxygen to live on.

Note that United has released a statement that the flight attendant is NOW saying that she didn't know there was a dog in the carrier. Even though the family told her and numerous witnesses nearby confirmed that they told her, she says that she "didn't hear them" and thought that she was just putting a normal bag in the overhead.

United has announced that, in the future, all pet carriers will have bright colored bag tags so that FAs can tell right away that they have live animals in them and, of course, not to put them in the overhead.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx



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