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How to avoid (by CJ [MO]) Mar 12, 2018 7:32 PM
       How to avoid (by cjo'h [CT]) Mar 12, 2018 7:42 PM
       How to avoid (by plenty [MO]) Mar 12, 2018 7:50 PM
       How to avoid (by Lana [IN]) Mar 12, 2018 8:06 PM
       How to avoid (by RR78 [VA]) Mar 12, 2018 8:08 PM
       How to avoid (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Mar 12, 2018 8:09 PM
       How to avoid (by Amy [MO]) Mar 12, 2018 8:32 PM
       How to avoid (by Salernitana [CA]) Mar 12, 2018 8:52 PM
       How to avoid (by CJ [MO]) Mar 12, 2018 9:38 PM
       How to avoid (by David [KY]) Mar 13, 2018 12:02 AM
       How to avoid (by myob [GA]) Mar 13, 2018 5:07 AM
       How to avoid (by NE [PA]) Mar 13, 2018 5:09 AM
       How to avoid (by Gail K [GA]) Mar 13, 2018 5:24 AM
       How to avoid (by Vee [OH]) Mar 13, 2018 5:31 AM
       How to avoid (by plenty [MO]) Mar 13, 2018 6:06 AM
       How to avoid (by Jen Z [CT]) Mar 13, 2018 6:51 AM
       How to avoid (by S i d [MO]) Mar 13, 2018 10:27 AM
       How to avoid (by Dancer [IL]) Mar 13, 2018 11:15 AM
       How to avoid (by myob [GA]) Mar 13, 2018 1:04 PM
       How to avoid (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 13, 2018 1:13 PM
       How to avoid (by Lynda [TX]) Mar 13, 2018 5:37 PM

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How to avoid (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 7:32 PM

I am very tired of the following argument from tenants.

I." I only signed lease when I move in, so I don't have a lease." But our lease is auto renew.

2. "I moved out some time ago, I am not responsible for rent" When couple split.

3. "I have 30 days to move out" 30 day is notice to move out, but tenants still have to pay during the 30 day notice period. they think they can live for free 30 days.

Every tine we have eviction, they have 2 or 3 above arguments. I think they know they are wrong, but trying to take advantage of my poor English.

How to avoid (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 7:42 PM

CJ, if you think you have poor English, then take an English course in your local night school or junior college..........charlie........................and don't let the tenants bamboozle you................................................................. --174.199.xx.xx

How to avoid (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 7:50 PM

This may be common misunderstandings by your pool of tenants, common for people in that area to think certain thoughts. You may just have to accept what they thunk and be prepared to have a discussion on the actual terms and misconceptions. Not trying to take advantage of you, just what they think, their thinking is not based on facts but old tales or misconceptions.

How to avoid (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 8:06 PM

Your English is getting better all the time. I get the same arguments from tenants. They sign the Lease, but never think about it after and they seem to have no intent to honor it. They hear what they want to hear and do what they want to do. Face it, smart folks own their house, they are tenants for many reasons.

When my little old lady mother sold her house in,it was to older first time home owners. They called her for anything that went wrong the first year and they took 3 months to take over the sewer bill. They took a 120% loan and went into bankruptcy the first year. I bet they are Tenants again.

How to avoid (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 8:08 PM

I agree a class is always better to improve communication. Better communication never hurts.

But if most of your problems are with just these 3 items.

Add a last paragraph to you lease. List these 3 items again. And list a detailed explanation similar to how you would explain it verbally.

When you go to an eviction take a copy of this page with this paragraph highlighted. And just hand them a copy.

Then there is not much they can say or you can even add to the discussion.

How to avoid (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 8:09 PM

Keep a list of the arguments the tenants give you. Put them in the lease or on a seperate sheet of paper and read or discuss them to the next tenant and have them sign the paper. --71.29.x.xx

How to avoid (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 8:32 PM

Hi CJ, .

It's hard being the bearer of bad news, much less the policer of it. But let the language of your lease speak through a court notice and they'll get it.

If these are common issues, then highlight those in big yellow marker and go over and over those items at lease signing.

1) your lease will auto renew on April 1st of each year. You must let us know by February 28 (or 29th) of that year if you plan to move.

2)You are responsible to fulfill the terms of your lease until it is over, regardless if you move out before that time.

3)It is against Missouri law to use the deposit for the payment of the last month of rent. You must continue to pay rent or face eviction proceedings.

If that doesn't work, then they are playing games or just plain thick. Take them to court and let judge throw the book at 'em.

We made our tenants sign again by the part that says they can't use the deposit for last months rent. And CJ, English is my first language and they STILL want to play THAT game. No need to question their intentions of HOW they are playing it. Just play it by the book, win. It's hard to let go of caring how it affects the tenant, but we've got to remember that it was their choice.

Good luck-

How to avoid (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 8:52 PM

Indeed, as noted in the posts, some tenants will challenge any landlord with those same arguments that you posted, regardless of the landlord's mastery of the English language.

Also, I think that I mentioned to you that my friend who's a successful landlord could barely speak English when he moved to the US to work on and then manage apartment buildings. He was tough though and argued with tenants when he had to defend the lease.

If you feel that you're making improvements and learning, then that's what counts. Best of luck.

How to avoid (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2018 9:38 PM

I checked my lease and it seems covering everything tenants argue about. I keep adding more in the lease from learning on this forum.

I just do not believe tenants think they have every right to take advantage of landlord. They want deposit back when they broke lease, owned rent, made damages. Some groups are even more aggressive.

How to avoid (by David [KY]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 12:02 AM

I will have them evicted before their 30 days are up trying to live for free last month and it will cost me 115 dollars. I don't play those games. Evictions are so easy, cheap and quick here.

How to avoid (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 5:07 AM

CJ MO I'm still laughing. We're in GA and everyones english is understandable (even mine being from NY) You mention "during the eviction" and that got my attention.

If you've gotten to eviction try this technique. The sheriff knocks on the door to announce "I'm Here" -- followed by yes we're here for the set out - he then proceeds to check the house for illegal stuff before he lets us in with the crew.

Before entering I always ask the sheriff to remove the person first-- not just from the house BUT the property. Deputy "I request you do your duty" remove this person to the "right of way". Please also remind person they may not re enter the property or they will be arrested for trespassing. He/she does as requested and off we go.

Lets face it once the evicition starts there's no going back-- get them out of your hair and head.

How to avoid (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 5:09 AM

Stop listening.

How to avoid (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 5:24 AM

Many tenants are too dumb to understand the concept of a yearly lease rolling over to a month to month tenancy even when this is both EXPLAINED IN THE LEASE AND BY THE LANDLORD (ME) during the initial signing.

I've had at least two tenants leave with little or no notice claiming they have "no lease". In fact, I'm going to court this morning because a former tenant is now claiming they do not owe that last month of rent because....after the first year they never had a lease with me.

I've been to court over this matter before and the judge calmly pointed out the former tenant the error in their logic. He ruled in my favor and I did get (over time) the owed rent.

Gail --71.203.xx.xx

How to avoid (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 5:31 AM

Awhile back WMH said it very clearly, began as -I am sorry- but changed that to -not sorry-, just stick to the facts - the lease is to protect both people - the court can sort it out (and they often take sides with the landlord when basic stuff has been ignored by the tenant), so I suggest not listening as NE pointed out today, I get this a lot in the single fam places and just tell them we have to follow the lease and the law and that is it, walk away or hang up the phone. Let them get an atty consultation for 50bux and find out themselves they are under a contract.

How to avoid (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 6:06 AM

Cj... You wrote: I just do not believe tenants think they have every right to take advantage of landlord. They want deposit back when they broke lease, owned rent, made damages

Can't change what they think or do. Only what you think or do. Their thinking or doing these things has nothing to do with you or what you should think or do. So ok they say these what? Doesn't mean anything cause it's not based On facts or truth. Just Let it go,run your business, stop seconding guessing them. Just run your business. When you hear these things just say "so?"

How to avoid (by Jen Z [CT]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 6:51 AM

If those are the 3 terms that people keep challenging, then point it out during the lease and make them initial right next to the paragraph that they fully understand. Paragraph "this lease will auto renew and the terms of this lease will remain in full force and effect" - explain to them and have them initial right next to the paragraph. Explain to a couple, if you break up, you will both be responsible for the terms of this agreement this is called "joint and severally liable" do you understand? "Yes, then sign your initial next to this paragraph". In fact, I am adding to my lease that if a couple breaks up, they both have to move out. Next paragraph - "if you give me a 30-day notice you are responsible for that month's rent and the security deposit shall not be used for payment of last month's rent." Do you understand? "Yes" then initial right next to the paragraph. I have also changed my lease so that people are signing at the bottom of the page.

How to avoid (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 10:27 AM

This could be a language thing, or it could be a backbone thing, or it could be something totally unrelated. I don't know...

Anyway, my desire is to help. Keep that in mind over the next few paragraphs.

One constant I have noted in all your posts CJ: You continually portray yourself as the victim of bad tenants and/or your ethnic background/language barrier. At some point, the problem is in the mirror. Not all tenants are bad.

So let's start here first: Do you have any GOOD tenants? What percentage of your tenants are good and abide by the lease vs. how many tenants cause your problems? If you're having problems with more than 10% of your tenants, I'd say it's a CJ problem, not a tenant problem. No fuss, no foul. We learn by finding the source of the problem. Sometimes, I am my own worst enemy. But I have to admit that first.

Second, let's think that there are literally hundreds of thousands of landlords and business owners with the same background/language issues that you are having that were successful in spite of that. Have you ever talked with any of them to see how they found success where you're finding frustrations?

My thought is you could try to find a mentor who once shared your same cultural and language challenges and overcame them. We've all been responding to your posts for 3+ years now, and I have yet to see you make much progress. I can only conclude that either all of our advice is bad, or you're not following our advice, or some mixture of the two.

I think you'd do better to speak with someone who has walked a mile in your shoes and had success. --173.17.xx.xx

How to avoid (by Dancer [IL]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 11:15 AM

You wrote, "Every tine we have eviction". I've owned my multi unit for 29 years and have only had 3 evictions, 2 at the beginning, while I was learning the ropes. Are you screening adequately enough? Credit checks, background checks, etc.?

How to avoid (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 1:04 PM

Sid MO man I feel your frustrations. I can't help myself cutting right to the chase on some posts because the information is HERE and in black and white. People write and write the advice is given and it's like the (OP) poster never reads it but just goes on and on with the same issues.

Dancer IL many here brag on the same thing-- perfect people. You can't make money with perfect people. I want marginal people, marginal credit, not so good credit -- but must have a great company they work for and been on the job a while. Now your talking money.

We've had upwards of 400K in collection at one time. It's one heck of a pyramid you can build on. Prior to the mortgage being paid off we made a lot more on broken lease, stolen light bulbs, dryer vent hoses taken, holes in doors, trashed carpet-- well you know the drill then we ever made on positive cash flow.

Why don't CCard companies like perfect people? damages is DEBT!!!!!

How to avoid (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 1:13 PM

It's like that cartoon (caliban?) Where the master is yammering on and all the dog hears is "blah blah blah, Rover, blah blah blah".

That's what tenants hear.

Tenants don't care what is in the lease. All they think it means is "yes, I want the house, gimme the keys"

Landlord has to enforce the lease but that job is much easier if tenants are carefully screened before letting them in.

Step up your screening process.

How to avoid (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2018 5:37 PM

CJ, part of the problem is you are still listening to the tenants--and letting their twisted arguments get to you. As NE says "Stop listening!"

By now, you ought to know that tenants talk trash. Yes, of course they will believe whatever is beneficial to themselves. Get past it. When you are hit with their screwed up beliefs, you respond:

"No matter what you believe, the CONTRACT says different. You signed the contract. The judge will uphold the lease."

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