Renter's Insurance & ESA
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Renter's Insurance & ESA (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 23, 2018 6:31 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by S i d [MO]) Feb 23, 2018 6:55 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by David [KY]) Feb 23, 2018 7:28 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 23, 2018 8:54 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by John... [MI]) Feb 23, 2018 9:05 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by Lynn [MA]) Feb 23, 2018 9:13 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 23, 2018 10:25 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Feb 24, 2018 6:39 AM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by John... [MI]) Feb 24, 2018 12:08 PM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by John... [MI]) Feb 24, 2018 12:10 PM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Feb 24, 2018 1:21 PM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by NE [PA]) Feb 24, 2018 4:51 PM
       Renter's Insurance & ESA (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 28, 2018 6:41 PM


Renter's Insurance & ESA (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 6:31 AM
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All this talk about ESA drama has me thinking. I require renters insurance from all tenants with $300,000.00 liability. Everybody has to have it, no exception. If there are 4 roomies.... They each have their own policy in their own name. If an applicant happens along with a fake ESA that is on the aggressive breed list then how will that work? Does the insurance carrier have to blindlessly accept responsibility for it because it got an ESA certificate out of a CrackerJax box ? I would have to pay more for a policy that covered it, so wouldn't the tenant be required to do the same.. The point is that obtaining liability insurance is required for all renters. If an ESA was stopping them from being able to obtain that requirement then what would the reasonable accomodation be? Would I be forced to waive the insurance requirement for that applicant ? The state similarly does this when requiring yearly leases for housing recipients even to LLs who only offer MTM. But that is a lease term, the ability to get Renter's insurance is a move in requirement. It is also a condition of approval.

--66.189.xx.xxx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 6:55 AM
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Rents...the statute laws are vague and case law is barely beginning on ESA's. These are all good questions, and lawyers haven't soaked up enough of our money yet getting them all answered yet.

What I'd do in your case is submit the breed/type and pictures of the animal to your insurance carrier. If they refuse to offer coverage or would increase your coverage premium based on that specific animal, I believe you have some reasonable merit to deny as it would not be a reasonable accommodation. But that's S i d's armchair attorney advise. If you want real, legit advice, might check with your attorney.

As for me, I'd find other ways to deny them. Bad credit, poor references, in-home visit reveals negatives, insufficient income, unstable job history, etc. --173.17.xx.xx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by David [KY]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 7:28 AM
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If your insurance will not cover their breed of dog you are allowed to deny even a service animal from what I have read. If the landlords insurance is affected it will cause the landlord unjust burden, you can deny on those grounds. Don't quote me on it but that is what I have read online. The other grounds I found for denying is if it is in a multi family home and you live in one of the units. You can deny as well from what I read. --74.128.xxx.xx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 8:54 AM
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Hypothetical at this point. But a likely scenario given the current ESA climate. --66.189.xx.xxx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 9:05 AM
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David is correct, except that you need to have specific written documentation from that insurance provider that they will not allow the animal or will cancel your insurance if you take it. THEN you can argue it is not a reasonable accommodation.

You CANNOT just go "Well, my insurance company has a list of dangerous breeds and your ESA is on it, so you are denied." THAT will get you into legal trouble.

I think you'll find that insurance companies will make an except for an ESA even if it is on the list. Therefore, this doesn't get you out of taking them.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 9:13 AM
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I just got a request for an ESA from an existing tenant.

I have the same concerns for insurance and would think the tenant should provide the insurance. Additionally, I'm assuming if they aren't cleaning up after it outside and if it barks all day then it would be grounds for either removal of the ESA or eviction. --38.142.xxx.xxx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 23, 2018 10:25 AM
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That's where the dimella will be. It wouldn't be my insurance disqualifying them..... It would be their own insurance company disqualifying them. Sort of ironic. --174.199.xx.xxx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2018 6:39 AM
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HUD STATEMENT:

“if a housing provider’s insurance carrier would cancel, substantially increase the costs of the insurance policy, or adversely change the policy terms because of the presence of a certain breed of dog or a certain animal, HUD will find that this imposes an undue financial and administrative burden on the housing provider.”

--71.75.xx.xx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2018 12:08 PM
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NC: Yes, we already determined that above. What was said is that if you go that route, you need to have it documented by the insurance company that they refused that specific animal. You still can't do a blanket "my insurance company says no pits and this is a pit" thing.

Also, this case is a little different because, as he said, he doesn't provide the insurance -- he just requires it of them that they get their own.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2018 12:10 PM
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RentsDue: I think you might be ok there. I think you'd state that you require ALL of your tenants to have renter's insurance. If they are unable to get it (for whatever reason -- ESA or not), then I think you'd be ok to deny them. It doesn't seem a violation of the FHAA to me.

Whether or not a judge would side with you is always another matter entirely. :)

- John...

P.S. Of course, I don't think their insurance would deny them. I think if they gave the ESA documentation to the Renter's Insurance company -- they would also allow it.

--96.40.xx.xx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2018 1:21 PM
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JOHN:

I am confused. Are you saying that he as a property owner doesn't have property insurance? It's the property owners insurance that allows the owner the ability to reject the prospective tenant.

If the question is about the tenants renters insurance, they cannot deny coverage based on breed for ESA's or service dogs. Having said that there are any number of insurance company that do not have breed restrictions. --71.75.xx.xx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2018 4:51 PM
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It probably will have to sound something like, "You can have your ESA, but you can't have a breed of ESA on the restricted breeds list from our insurance.

That right there will put a damper on their pamper.

Good post! Good way to legally call their bluff in my opinion. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Renter's Insurance & ESA (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2018 6:41 PM
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Since I am named on the renters insurance as additional insured.......I am covered for the tenants bad choices --24.101.xxx.xxx





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