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Deny for housekeeping (by Kate [NJ]) Feb 11, 2018 1:45 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by razorback_tim [AR]) Feb 11, 2018 1:52 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Ken [NY]) Feb 11, 2018 2:32 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Frank [NJ]) Feb 11, 2018 4:04 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Busy [WI]) Feb 11, 2018 4:15 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Robert J [CA]) Feb 11, 2018 4:18 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by AllyM [NJ]) Feb 11, 2018 5:41 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Nicole [PA]) Feb 11, 2018 6:53 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by WMH [NC]) Feb 12, 2018 4:59 AM
       Deny for housekeeping (by S i d [MO]) Feb 12, 2018 5:13 AM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Busy [WI]) Feb 12, 2018 5:47 AM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Vee [OH]) Feb 12, 2018 6:54 AM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Jim in O C [CA]) Feb 12, 2018 7:07 AM
       Deny for housekeeping (by CGB [MI]) Feb 12, 2018 2:28 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 12, 2018 9:18 PM
       Deny for housekeeping (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 13, 2018 2:51 PM

Deny for housekeeping (by Kate [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 1:45 PM

Some of us like to make a personal visit to a qualified prospective tenant's current home prior to move-in so we can check out their housekeeping. With all the fair housing rules preventing discrimination against so many (real or imagined) conditions, I wonder if this one is legal/allowable:

If you see a roach, or poor housekeeping, is that a legal criterion for denial of tenancy? Can you, or would you verbalize it as a reason for denial?

Thanks for your input and opinions.

Deny for housekeeping (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 1:52 PM

Being a filthy pig isn't a protected class. --70.178.x.xx

Deny for housekeeping (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 2:32 PM

I would deny for that,if they complained to someone who called I would tell them they were approved until I saw there current unit which is the last step in the process and tell them to go visit there home unannounced and see if you would like them living in your house?

Deny for housekeeping (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 4:04 PM

"do you tell them if they di not pass the smell test?

NJ has not yet made poor housekeeping a protected class.

Why do you have to tell them anything at all?

"You have not qualified for the unit"...isn't tat good enough, or are we talking about an area where the gov't is in your bidnez?

Find another reason.

I'd just lose their # and apologize later

Deny for housekeeping (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 4:15 PM

Nope. My state does not require me to give a reason to deny. I have had my list of criteria approved by a fair housing employee who spoke at a landlord training class.

If an applicant cannot take a little pride in their current place, they do not need to rent a house, where they are responsible for snow shoveling, trash, recycling to the curb on time, et cetera.

Deny for housekeeping (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 4:18 PM

When a possible applicant is ready to turn over their application but does not have all of their supporting documents with them (Like pay stubs, bank statements, tax return showing additional income), they often say, "I'll be right back I'm going home to retrieve them". I say let me meet you at your apartment, "INSIDE", so I can confirm other issues.


I then state, Your application lists:

a) You are a NON-SMOKER

b) You have NO PETS

c) You need a larger apartment!

So I want to see if there's signs of smoking in your current apartment. You say you have no pets but I want to see if animals are living with you. And I want to confirm that the reason you need more space isn't because you are a pack-rat looking to dump some garbage in my building.

After my short rant, the renter decides not to rent my apartment for some unknown reason.

Works almost every time. --47.156.xx.xx

Deny for housekeeping (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 5:41 PM

Sometimes you can tell from outside what you are getting. Drive by and see how nasty the outside is. I knew with one applicant that there was a problem and I would need to pay a home visit. But then someone told me a greater problem than what I was picking up on. The son smuggled cigarettes. What I was picking up on was an unusual pet and I suspected pit bull but it was a parrot. I kept asking the referring tenant if the prospective tenant had an additional dog to the one they admitted to and the tenant kept saying "She has only one dog." but of course not telling me about the parrot. Then the son told me he drives to other states to get cigarettes and I knew he was not driving hours for just a few cartons for his mom. They promised to "smoke outside'. They never do.

Deny for housekeeping (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 6:53 PM

I also don't give reasons.

I absolutely could see someone calling foul after a home visit. Landlord is purple. Prospective tenant is purple. Landlord goes to the house and the never before viewed children are orange, green and blue. Purple tenant calls housing attorney.

Deny for housekeeping (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 4:59 AM

If you deny for CREDIT based on a report you pulled you have to tell them that, but not for other reasons.

Deny for housekeeping (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 5:13 AM

"Thank you for applying. Unfortunately, you do not meet our criteria for renting at this time. For more information, please send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to PO Box 123 My Town, 55555. Allow 6-8 weeks for a response."

Never gotten a single letter asking for clarification. The only time you must send anything is if denial is based on credit report. Be sure to deny for something else that is legitimate. Sloppy housekeeping, stinky house, poorly socialized pets/animals, missing an appointment, etc.


Deny for housekeeping (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 5:47 AM

Oh, make sure you write down in YOUR records what the reason for denying. I keep a notebook where I track all applicants, then, as I deny, I make notes. I also make notes for their reasons if they reject the house. One notebook per house.

Deny for housekeeping (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 6:54 AM

Prolly other ways to deny, or offer maid service for a 150bux upcharge - when things are ugly you and I will always remember the slob with the snakes, cats, kids, dogs and rusty hot rods piled up nearby...

Deny for housekeeping (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 7:07 AM

I always inform the applicant I do a surprise visit as the last step in my approval process. The smokers, horders, pet liars and slobs just never seem to return their applications.

When I had my manufacturing business and advised I do drug testing the druggies never made their appointment. In 26 years I never paid for a drug screening. --75.22.xx.xx

Deny for housekeeping (by CGB [MI]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 2:28 PM

When at all possible, I try not to even tell people their application has been denied. Via email, "Thanks for your interest in the property. Unfortunately, the property has been offered to another individual who has accepted."

Deny for housekeeping (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2018 9:18 PM


Housekeeping is not a protected class.

My app is clear: Screening includes a housekeeping check of their current home.

Discrimination: Keep your mouth SHUT!! LLs get in trouble for what they SAY.

The ones we have denied knew their app was "grass" when we walked in the door and saw/smelled their mess.

No one has ever asked why.

We snap a few pics and attach them to the app for evidence if we ever get called out.

I'll also add that we are very clear - they have been "pre-approved" and the 2 minute In Home Visit is the last step for approval. We only visit if EVERYTHING ELSE is clear, so we're only visiting a few.


Deny for housekeeping (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2018 2:51 PM

I don't believe there is ever just one roach somewhere.

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