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Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 4:22 AM
At the tail end of Roy's post about enforcing leases, a discussion started regarding fair housing and enforcing lease clauses case by case.
I think it's an important discussion to be had, so I'm posting it here so it doesn't get buried in that thread.
I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on it.
For me, I think it's yes and no.
If your treating 2 people that each live on one half of a duplex differently for late fees, that could be seen as fair housing discrimination. (Not sure how it would work as far as HOW you're discrimination based on a protected Class.) but things like late fees need to be enforced equally across the board.
In that same duplex, if you have a lease clause about out of operation vehicles, I don't see how you could be violating any fair housing if tenant A has a vehicle under a tarp, out of the way, in the back of the house that doesn't cause any problems vs tenant B who has a project vehicle up on jacks ripped apart in the front yard. I say you're within your right to enforce that lease clause on tenant B to take care of the eyesore mess without being concerned with violations of fair housing. Regardless of who that person is.
Even more so with houses in different areas of town or different towns altogether for that matter. Different locations where the tenants have no clue about how you handle things case by case regarding enforcement at other buildings.
ALSO.... and this is a big one.
Are you running different leases for different types of buildings?
My guess is: No, you're not.
So enforcement of some things on single family homes is enforced totally different than they are at multi unit buildings.
A lot of this stuff actually does fall back to case by case once you break it down and how you break it down. Certain aspects need to be handled the same way and some don't.
Case by case, fair house (by J [FL]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 4:38 AM
Do fair housing claims often come up from something that happens after the tenant has moved in? I may be wrong but I'd guess that most of them come at the application stage from people who aren't selected. Unless someone develops a disability after they move in and landlord discriminates. --72.188.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 4:41 AM
I agree J and I don't know. I also think that it's more a part of the screening process. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by David [KY]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 4:49 AM
Rent and late fees are non negotiable and enforced. Domestic situations I handle are case by case. Pretty simple stuff. --173.239.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 4:59 AM
David, I agree. Maybe that's the difference. Legal timelines vs domestic situations. Some stuff is case by case, some isn't. --174.201.xx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 5:34 AM
Well, since all of my tenants belong to the same race, it would be hard to claim that I was favoring one over the other.
I think you CAN discriminate between tenants in how you choose to enforce the lease, even if they're living in the same duplex.
Say Joe Resident has been living there for 5 years, always paid his rent on time, took care of the place beautifully, and then came up short one month because his car broke down, his paycheck was cut because of the government shut-down, and he spent two days in the hospital with kidney stones. He notified you ahead of time that he wouldn't be able to pay on time, but he's planning to pay in two weeks when he gets back pay for the shut-down and his income tax refund arrives.
Then on the other side of the duplex is Harry Hammered, who comes home drunk every weekend, plays music too loudly, complains all the time about minor maintenance needs and is chronically 2-3 days late with the rent. You've had to work out payment plans with him multiple times. Now he's two weeks late.
In my opinion, you'd be nuts to treat them both the same. --204.210.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 5:43 AM
Robin, there you have another situation too. A good long term tenant deserve a little flexibility, even in the same unit. A bad tenant deserve zero.
So I think the more we dive into this, it absolutely is case by case.
A good tenant is a good tenant. I wouldn't want to shoot myself in the foot. Although, I would make him stick to a timeline laid out by me. Flexibility with deadlines. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 5:59 AM
Great topic, NE! Here's a questuin I have that piggy backs off it.
How many land lords on this board--regardless of your opinions on how a lease should be enforced--have actually had a fair housing complaint filed against them? Notice, I did not ask has a tenant/applicant THREATENED to file a complaint...I'm talking about the officials actually sent you a letter that dragged you into court?
I will be interested to hear if anyone has had this happen. I never have. Been in the biz 13 years. My guess is most if not all of us have never heard one peep from fair housing folks. Due to limited resources, my guess is they do like the IRS does with tax audits and focus mainly on "big boy" operators (1000+ units).
While one should always comply with the law, methinks something we cause ourselves too much worry by tiptoeing on non-existent egg shells. --173.17.xx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:03 AM
Exactly Sid, kind of like the RRP thing.
Which falls back to my 1st response to Roy's post. Do I enforce my lease? Yes, like the government. Selectively and when it benefits me. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by J [FL]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:09 AM
Good question Sid. The couple of fair housing cases I've read about online, the landlord did something pretty dumb...asking an applicant "what country are you from?", or else total cluelessness about familial/children's rights.
I think most people posting on here are more professional than that and wouldn't get into that kind of situation. --72.188.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:09 AM
I actually had a fair housing complaint filed against me for the first time last year. Complete investigation was conducted over several months followed by a hearing. And the accusation was not done by an applicant but by someone who had moved into the property. So much to share with you in a special session at this year's Convention:) If the truth be told, many of you on this forum would be in BIG (and very costly) trouble, not because of the things you are doing, but because of what you are NOT doing. --72.214.xx.x
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:11 AM
Jeffrey, was that someone who moved into the property as an unauthorized occupant or as a screened addition to the lease?
Or does the saga continue at the convention? --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:18 AM
One thing I can add to Jeffrey's post that I have heard him say multiple times during presentations is that if you drop the price on a unit that you have for rent from say $700-$650, you have to call back all the people that were interested in that property and let them know the price has dropped.
Now I want to know who here does that?
Because I can guarantee you 99% of the people on this board do not do that at all and 100% of the people that are just flying by the seat of their pants out in the real world don't do that at all or would even think to.
So if fair housing can break down to that fine of a detail regarding violations, we should all be absolutely terrified of violating fair housing. Those are some major eggshells to walk on. Because that example is scary. Especially if you operate under the notion that you have to call back people you disqualified at the higher rent or who disqualified themselves because they didn't like something about the unit.
Just think of the workload that would add to your business. Especially you folks who get 50-100 inquiries a day. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:23 AM
I agree, Mr. Jeffrey [VA]
And some day, I will share a Lot of, what I'm Not doing. --47.35.xx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:36 AM
We actually do have two different leases, one for sfhs and another for multis.
Our case by case issues dont just involve types of renters. They also involve neighborhood class- one or two houses that are in a different area than the others. Sometimes we do treat a little more leniently because they are difficult to rent and keep rented. If it's not rented, it's a huge headache. Even rented, there's a lot more trouble and most of the time it isn't the renter. Not to say there is no control or adherence to the lease, it's just relaxed and dependent on the renters attitude.
I don't think it's possible to leave reason out of it. If a renter is trying to be proactive and give me a heads-up as to their situation and another avoids me like the plague once rent is due, I'd be stupid to treat them the same.
I always wondered if you treat differently based on the class of neighborhood and difficulty to rent. --136.32.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:39 AM
Amy brings up 2 excellent points and I can add a 3rd to it.
She says class of neighborhood/unit. An A grade unit vs C-D unit. Also the difficulty of renting one apartment over another changes your tolerance level of lease enforcement.
A 3rd I can add is time of year. Winter vs Summer. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:41 AM
NE, the point I was making was that many landlords think that fair housing accusations only occur with rental "applicants" who feel that they were discriminated against. The accusations I faced was done far after the screening process. They involved concerns by actual authorized residents, not about the screening process, but with other circumstances that took place AFTER move-in, and months into the rental relationship and again even toward the end of the rental relationship.
I'll just say this for now: If at all possible, I would NOT handle ANY matters on a case-by-case basis. Everything done needs to be part of your policies and procedures, even exceptions to the rule, should be accounted for in your policies and procedures. And all your policies need to be in writing, even the policies most landlords have not even stopped to consider, much less write down. More to follow at Convention. --72.214.xx.x
Case by case, fair house (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 6:59 AM
And yes, if you are not taking the time to learn what you need to know regarding Fair Housing (and other vital real estate matters), landlords should be absolutely terrified about violating Fair Housing. However, stay calm, come and learn, and avoid some of the sleepless nights I endured as I learned the hard way, if what I have shared with landlords over the years will actually hold up in the real world when the rubber hits the road. Some of what I will share could literally save you tens of thousands of dollars if you find yourself facing an accusation... Have I said enough yet to get you to sign up for this year's Convention:) --72.214.xx.x
Case by case, fair house (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 7:15 AM
In All Due Respect, (lets get that out of the way )
Some here, are held to Higher Standards.
Higher Standards, Definition:
A level of Quality or Achievement,
(including Title or Position in life)
used for judging someone or something.
In other words, some people make Bigger Targets.
Case by case, fair house (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 7:18 AM
I got a phone call from a housing tester. I know it was a tester because the call came in on our FAX line (yes, we have one of those) -- and our fax line is only listed with our Secretary of State's office.
When we first bought our building, we had an inherited tenant who was never happy. The previous owner had put them into a unit without a security deposit -- they were supposed to "fix up" the unit themselves as their SD. So there were many minor issues that needed to be addressed. As my husband was there one day installing a new over the stove microwave, the female tenant was literally giving him a running verbal list of everything that was wrong with the unit. (My husband did not know yet to say "put it in writing".) The tenant became very angry a month later when the bathroom fan was not fixed and "mold" was growing in the bathroom and we were putting her children at risk. We fixed the fan, and THEN gave her a notice that we were not going to renew her lease. She was furious.
When the call came in, I answered the phone attached to the fax machine. A sweet voice asked if we were going to have any openings. I said that we had one coming open but that this unit needed a lot of rehabbing and that I did not know when it would be ready to rent. I told her to watch for Craigslist because we would advertise there when the unit was ready. Never heard back.
I have a small multi, and the tenants all know each other and compare notes. You bet we treat everyone the same, even after renting. We are quick to enforce lease violations, and go by the letter of the law. Once you have your forms and procedures established, it is not hard.
Our state LL association's monthly newsletter is full of Fair Housing info. All it takes is one p*ssed off tenant to open a claim. --98.146.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 7:49 AM
"if you drop the price on a unit that you have for rent from say $700-$650, you have to call back all the people that were interested in that property and let them know the price has dropped."
Cite the source that makes this a legal requirement, please. I won't say I don't believe it, but if this is true I need to sell and get out of self-property management. There is NO WAY I would ever have the desire or capability to do this, unless someone has invented a magic button to track every call, email, text, FB market response.... --173.17.xx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 7:59 AM
Exactly Sid, it comes down to little twists in the laws that in essence makes everyone of us guilty in some form or another. Almost impossible to comply. --174.201.xx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 8:01 AM
And that is why I posted this thread. We need to know how to operate within these laws and in between these laws. --174.201.xx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 8:08 AM
S I d, this is another one of those topics where quick tips shared out of context of the live teaching setting can be misunderstood. In regard to the quote you referenced, I was sharing a recommended Fair Housing Practice to help avoid potential accusations, not sharing a legal requirement. And it was not given as a response to ALL who simply inquired or indicated that they were interested, it was suggested to do with the ones who had made it through your pre-screening and you had quoted them a higher price but they declined to rent from you.
If your place is still sitting empty, not only is that a good Fair Housing Practice to inform those pre-qualified individuals that their is now a special reduced rate being offered, but it is also an effective follow-up marketing strategy to fill a vacancy that may still be empty. --72.214.xx.x
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 8:09 AM
Jeffrey, thank you for clearing that up. --174.201.xx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 8:14 AM
Yes, Jeffrey, thank you for clarifying....whew.... I am signed up for the Convention and eagerly looking forward to hearing "the rest of the story" on this adn other matters.
Now NE, no more giving me heart attacks like that! (wink) Love ya, brother! Happy Friday. --173.17.xx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 9:37 AM
Jeffrey - thanks for that info.
Wish I could make the conference, but I'll be elsewhere.
Any chance you could offer the Fair Housing piece as a webinar? :)
Case by case, fair house (by JB [OH]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 10:08 AM
Every couple of years I take a seminar presented by HOME an agency Housing Opportunities Made Equal Very good to get certified --24.123.x.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 10:15 AM
I had a major Fair Housing Case against me back in 1991. They said that I discriminated against "one type of Class of applicants", due to race. The neighborhood where my rental apartment house was located was called "Korea-town" a melting pot of every race.
I had made sure that each of my apartment properties had a mixture of different races in each of the buildings. The tenants would have preferred each property to have only the same race, they didn't like living in a mixed property because they were scared of the "unknown".
So in this 8 unit building I had (for example) "green", "yellow", "orange" and "blue" tenants. My current applicants for a vacant unit were close neck an neck in qualifications, so I made a choice to give the vacant unit to a "purple" applicant adding to my buildings diversity.
This meant I turned down a qualified "green" applicant, I had discriminated based on race. It was decided that even though I had other building with of the "race" I had discriminated against, it was a CASE BY CASE BY UNIT NOT BUILDINGS OR OTHER TENANCY'S. So in a hearing I had other tenants testify that they were displease that I rented to a rainbow of tenants, but after time the other tenants became "friends" and their children would play together after school. I had exposed them to other cultures living in my buildings.
So by me doing good, I was being called many things. I got the City off my back because I contacted the local news and they were going to run a story in this. Landlord rents apartment to all types of renters and is now being told to give favoritism to "one class" who likes to sue and make noise. --47.156.xx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 11:36 AM
Discrimination at filling a new unit is a well known factor, but the last couple of years I have been seeing a lot a handicapped discrimination complaints from existing tenants over suddenly declared support animals that once were pets and especially over handicapped parking spaces.
I've heard accusations of discrimination when trying to get a tenant out.
So once you have a unit safely rented, don't think you are out of danger. --174.216.xx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 1:11 PM
Robert J,i think you did discriminate against the green tenant because you considered race when you picked a tenant.Personally I believe an owner should be able to turn down anyone for any reason but I think you met the very definition of discrimination in that situation --72.231.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2018 3:13 PM
As a Realtor I am required to take CE courses annually to keep my license active and Fair Housing is always on the menu.
On the original post " do you enforce" I posted that I do uniformly enforce on the normal late rent, late fees, no smoking, etc. However, I will work with a tenant if they have a major life event. I'm not concerned about the inconsistency since I can document a history of working with various tenants if anyone ever complained about selective practices.
And according to my teachings that is acceptable. The situation does not have to be identical provided I am able to demonstrate that based upon extenuating circumstances I will be flexible.
Based on the classes I do have a formal document listing our policies which includes everything from income and credit score requirements, to rules and regs, to insurance requirements, alarm codes, pet addendums, etc.. That document is attached to every application so they know upfront and I don't have to worry about forgetting anything.
If there were anything about Fair Housing that concerns me it would be familial. Our 4 BR SFHs over the years seem to attract "large families" like a single mother with 8 children. Fortunately so far none of them come close to qualifying but I know that day is coming. --71.75.xx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 10, 2018 7:41 PM
The longer I have been in this business more I value my sanity. It is absolutely so easy to treat a PITA differently than everyone else. I really go out of my way to train tenants. My undergrad is in Workforce Education and Development..........but some folks simply refuse to modify bad behaviors. These folks need to be asked to leave.
My view of fair housing - as long as you are consistent in how you deal with the PITA, I don't believe you should get in trouble. I do agree if what both Jeffery and RB on how what we can do can unnecessarily attract the perception of being unfair.
Case in point, I am in the snow belt. Between Jan and Feb, its tough to fill a place a using standard screening methods for specific units. In the past, I elected to lower that standard in these two months in order to fill these units....and I got the corresponding results.
Instead I elect to do a move in special but base that special on approved credit score - I offer a reduced security deposit. After learning at the LL boot camp this past year, I have elected not to even do that.
This job would be so much earlier if shock therapy wasn't frowned upon --24.101.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by James [TX]) Posted on: Feb 15, 2018 12:25 PM
Jeffrey I’m not going to be able to make the conference this year. Will there be a recording of your Fair Housing Case? Or will you offer the info in another way? --173.174.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Don H [MO]) Posted on: Feb 15, 2018 12:48 PM
I suspect that if you have different move in standards for different classes of houses, you may be setting yourself up for discrimination suit if one of your classes impacted one race more so than another. --162.229.xx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Feb 15, 2018 12:57 PM
as always the best practice is to "toss 'em around" on the way in. complete and legible applications and full credit reports at their expense for each adult. check ALL info for BS. be sure you confirm that the "reference" they provide is the ACTUAL property owner or manager. i've had people use their friends at work and their boyfriend.
second best practice is to have some rules of the road which means YOUR rules.
1. only month to month. raise rent when you want, terminate when you want
2. rent due first late second
3. require copy of ID
4. require proof of paid rent for six months...check copies are preferred. look at the date they wrote the ck. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CHECKING ACCOUNT DENY THEM. there's a reason for that.
5. FULL Deposits prior to keys
6. renters insurance naming you as an additional insured
7. inspect regularly and let the roaches know they need to straighten up or be gone.
8. no 'prepaid' cell phone accounts...they are a sure sign of irresponsible.
9. if they say they are "cash customers" think real hard about them...
you want the commonest folks you can find that have regular jobs, regular bank accounts and can prove they are good citizens as regards paying their bills.
as for fair housing claims...ALL MEMO'S YOU DELIVER ARE WRITTEN FOR THE NEXT GUY THAT READS IT. A JUDGE, HUD, TENAT RIGHTS LAWYER...WHOEVER. if you have to bite your tongue to be polite after they threaten you, BE POLITE AND MAKE THE MEMO ABOUT THEIR CONTRACT BREACH...
if you have separated properties NEVER let the tenants meet. --76.176.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 15, 2018 1:25 PM
I believe Jeffery is saying that we may be screwing up unintentionally and not just at move in.
The more I think about it, I know I don't treat everyone the same way fr doing the same thing. Last week I had a tenant of 7 years bounce a check. First time ever and he is very low maintenance as a tenant. I could get hard nose with the guy and give him a standard 5 day notice.
Instead the guy just said what exactly do I owe you and can I swing on buy with my wallet late this afternoon. I have been a jerk before.....and if required, I am inclined to believe most that post regularly can be even better jerks than me. It wasn't necessary so I didn't get too spun up. I believe that would make me guilty of not treating everyone the same way --24.101.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Orit [MI]) Posted on: Feb 15, 2018 3:37 PM
Our policy is for the applicant to make at least 3x the rent in-order to even be considered. However, we also understand that spedning habits are different from one to another, so if their current rent is similar to what we are asking for and we find out that they are mostly on time with the rent - we will consider them. Is this considered discrimination? Also, we do work with low credit if they are making payment and have a good rental history. That means that we dont reject based on credit - but we look at the whole picture - so - how to put that in our policies? --98.250.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Trudy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2018 9:29 AM
We recently evicted a tenant who has threatened to take action which could or could not involve Fair Housing. She was asked to move because her shower (second level) was leaking into the ceiling of the tenant below her. We could have put her up at a motel for a few days while the shower was being installed (custom job) but decided to give her a 28 day notice. What can I expect if Fair Housing gets involved? Do they come in and tear up your office and look at all your properties and documents? --108.233.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Ne [PA]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2018 9:31 AM
They can't come in and tear up your office. This isn't 1700's Brittain. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Valerie [VA]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2018 2:13 PM
Trudy (WI), I am confused as to why you would terminate the lease due to a repair that appears to be ordinary wear and tear for which LL would be responsible. Are you on a month-to-month lease and she was already a problematic tenant? --70.177.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2018 10:06 PM
Robert j, you are indignant, but in fact you did discriminate. You cannot use race as a factor and you did. You tried to run your own affirmative action program, giving preference to those of a race not already represented in a particular building. Not your place or right to do that. --73.141.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Orit [MI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2018 4:07 AM
Can I put in the policies “no felonies “ meaning some one with a felony is automatic rejected? Is it ok to distinguish between different types of felonies? Please help if you are sure about the Anya’s this is confusing to me. Thanks --98.250.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2018 4:27 AM
Orit, I think it's nationally that you can't simply deny because of an arrest record or conviction record.
You have to determine, possibly prove if needed, that their crime poses a threat to the building.
Now if that doesn't leave things open to speculation, I don't know what does.
This is a new law/reg under Prez O, so I'm not sure of the full details or the fall out of it yet. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Orit [MI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2018 4:46 AM
Thank you! It looks like everything is open to interpretation.... we can only try to do our best and hope nobody will sue, but in reality if someone wants to go after you they can, and it will be up to the judge. Even with a credit score, 2 people may have the same credit but different reasons for the number. If it’s student and medical we will “favor” them, so no matter how you look at it, there will be some kind of discrimination --98.250.xxx.xx
Case by case, fair house (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2018 4:54 AM
Well Orit, there's always some discrimination.
Some are protected, some aren't. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by Honey [LA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2018 5:27 PM
Several years ago, our City Sewerage & Water Board called me in about a discrepancy in my LLC billing. When I got to this meeting and was told to sit down at a table with some serious-looking employees of assorted departments, I obliged. I made myself comfortable and proceeded to take out my ledger of all things Rental, including some serious notes about recent Sewerage & Water Board dealings. The gentleman in charge, he was the best dressed, so I assumed he was in charge, began my "trial" with his formal accusation and I asked him for an exact date this whatever it was took place and immediately started flipping through my very detailed notebook that went back years, and he FLIPPED HIS WIG! He shouted "No way. This meeting is over!" This lady has handwritten notes that weren't just written yesterday.
We can't win. Case closed. Sorry, madam, for wasting your time." I thanked him and I left and went home with my very precious notebook.
Moralto this story: Put everything in writing. --24.252.xxx.xxx
Case by case, fair house (by James [TX]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2018 9:52 AM
I Knew a Realtor who rented to tenants with kids in a multi-family. Kids were totally disruptive from day 1 with multiple complaints from neighbors. When parents were notified they filed fair housing complaint with HUD. Realtor was finally exonerated but not until thousands of dollars and months of time. Scary part was tenants had no legal cost or time involved. It was all pursued by HUD against the Realtor. --97.99.xxx.xxx