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Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Jan 20, 2018 6:15 AM
       Class C in your town (by Homer [TX]) Jan 20, 2018 6:37 AM
       Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Jan 20, 2018 6:58 AM
       Class C in your town (by Homer [TX]) Jan 20, 2018 7:11 AM
       Class C in your town (by Sisco [MO]) Jan 20, 2018 7:16 AM
       Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Jan 20, 2018 7:18 AM
       Class C in your town (by GKARL [PA]) Jan 20, 2018 8:35 AM
       Class C in your town (by Martin [CO]) Jan 20, 2018 8:50 AM
       Class C in your town (by S i d [MO]) Jan 20, 2018 9:11 AM
       Class C in your town (by S i d [MO]) Jan 20, 2018 9:17 AM
       Class C in your town (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 20, 2018 9:27 AM
       Class C in your town (by Kate [NJ]) Jan 20, 2018 4:34 PM
       Class C in your town (by Deanna [TX]) Jan 20, 2018 5:29 PM
       Class C in your town (by Pat [VA]) Jan 20, 2018 5:33 PM
       Class C in your town (by Robin [WI]) Jan 20, 2018 6:13 PM
       Class C in your town (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 20, 2018 8:20 PM
       Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Jan 21, 2018 9:11 AM
       Class C in your town (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 21, 2018 3:13 PM
       Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Jan 22, 2018 4:55 AM
       Class C in your town (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 22, 2018 6:35 PM


Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 6:15 AM
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I would interested to know how the 'rent range' for my Class C houses compare to others in various parts of the U.S.

All of my rental houses are either 2/1 or 3/1, 800-1,200 sq.ft, at least 70 years old, and are all located in decent working class Class C neighborhoods. The prevailing rent range (here) is $500.00 -$700.00/month.

Also, if I could physically move any of my rental houses to a Class B hood,...the above rent range would start at $700.00 and top out at about $900.00,...just by changing the location.

Again, what is the 'rent range' for Class C single family houses where your rentals are located?

--68.63.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 6:37 AM
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I would consider mine class c. All but one are 3-2-2, Brick, around 1250 Sq ft. Market value is around 150k each , with rents around 1250-1350 , few at 1500, per month. Most of them built in the late 60s - late 70s. I am familliar with your market, if mine were there, they would be class A. Keep in mind that our property taxes are at around 2.7 percent annually. So right off the top of my high rents I am paying $350-400 per unit, per month. I have been lucky on some to keep the value below market by protesting each year. --75.141.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 6:58 AM
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Homer,

My property taxes are the same but with one big exception. You pay it by the month,...I pay it once a YEAR.

Are you sure your rentals are Class C in Class C working class hoods?? All brick, 3/2/2's around here are mostly in the better Class B hoods. I know this because I happen to live in a house that you just described.

--68.63.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 7:11 AM
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Roy, in the town where I have the most houses. There is nothing that has been built in the past 15 years that sells for less than 450k. I am at the bottom of the barrel. The town has a couple hundred houses that are in the 900k range with at least 5 bedrooms and 5 bathrooms and 5000 Sq ft. Our school district is top rated. People will take what ever they can just to get their kids in our schools. My personal 3-2-2 brick ranch round also wouid be a C class. Since across the street are these mc mansions . On my street alone we have an NFL player and a head coach of a major university. I live within 2 miles of a dozen of my houses. I do feel sorry for these high end people living so close to those of us that are class C, lol --75.141.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 7:16 AM
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The lines between B C D get blurry. What consider A or B+ 3/2 are priced comparable to Homers example

C+ 2/1 $675 - $725 --72.172.xxx.xx




Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 7:18 AM
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Homer,

One more question for you,...working class tenants tend to get paid by the hour. To be able to afford your high rents, what hourly rate(s) do your tenants tend to get?

Most of my tenants, earn about somewhere between $12.00-$18.00 an hour (base pay),...assuming they have a union job. Non-union jobs start at min. wage and usually top out at $12.00/hour.

--68.63.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 8:35 AM
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A 3-1 sfh in my area will get $ 1000+ a month. A one bedroom apartment will yield $700 to $ 800 a month. --172.56.xx.xx




Class C in your town (by Martin [CO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 8:50 AM
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Class C, 2-1 condo, 773 sq ft. Golden, CO. Not a special location, but close to major roads. Approx 3 miles to Colorado School of Mines (most of my tenants came from CSM). 1.5 miles from a light rail station.

range is $1100 - $1400. I rent mine for $1125. It will go up to at least $1150 this summer (automatic raise if tenant stays. Probably bumped to $1200 if tenant leaves and I get someone new).

The Denver rental market is crazy. And I am not complaining. --174.29.xx.xxx




Class C in your town (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 9:11 AM
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I will answer your question and add a little extra info:

A Class C house in my town is 2-4 bedrooms, 500-1200 sqft, built 30+ years ago. Most of mind are 1910s - 1950s.

A Class C tenant is blue collar, a student, or someone on disability only. Typically, no credit or bad credit. A few hardy, enterprising souls but not many.

Class C houses can be picked up for $20K-$50K "all in" (purchase, rehab, etc). Rents are between $450 - $650, making the "2% rule" very achievable. Most of mine I get for $20-$30 and rent for $500 - $600.

Taxes are between $250 - $400 per year. My average tax per unit is $315/year.

Some folks might consider my houses "Class D". Mine are clean, safe, and everything works. They may look dated or a tad bit dumpy on the outside, but no broken windows and siding and roof are generally in good condition. In my mind, that's Class C.

Class D are dirty, not everything works, and look like crap from the curb. Probably some code violations inside, but not obvious from the curb. Maybe some old cars in the yard. "Stuff" strewn all over the porch/lawn. People sitting on the porch all day smoking or drinking. Public intoxication is not illegal in Missouri unless you're committing some other violation like picking fights.

Class F is like a Class D in appearance but it's in a war zone hood, holes in the roof, siding falling off, roach hotels, and serious code violations like several broken windows or yards with 2 foot high grass. Drug deals going down on the curb in broad daylight.

I stay away from D and F. I have a few C- and a few C+/B-. --173.17.xx.xx




Class C in your town (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 9:17 AM
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Btw, Roy, I have seen pics of your houses, and I would consider them B-/C+, by way of comparison to mine. For whatever that's worth. --173.17.xx.xx




Class C in your town (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 9:27 AM
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Los Angeles, California

Single Family Homes: 3 or 4 bedroom, average 1300-1570 square feet

A class "c" single family home in a so-so area:

would rent for around $2,300 per month.

A class "b" single family home can rent from $2400 to $3000 per month.

A class "a" single family home can rent from $3000 to $5,000 per month.

Special area like Beverly Hills, Westwood, Santa Moncia, West Hollyood, Bel-Air would all rent for MUCH MORE MONEY. --47.156.xx.xx




Class C in your town (by Kate [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 4:34 PM
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3 BR 1 bath 80 yr brick row between Philadelphia and Camden NJ:

$1100/mo rent, $2800/yr taxes. --99.203.xx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 5:29 PM
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In my little corner of rural nowhere--

Most of my houses are 2/1's or 3/1.5's built around 1945, ranging from 800-1000 sf. I think my newest house is a 1400 sf 3/2/2 built in 1960-- it used to be my primary residence.

My whole town is pretty much "Class C". Very working-class. You might have a "nice block" here or there, but everything is generally very mixed up/mismatched. Even so, there's the perception in town that the north part is preferable to the south part, and the west part is preferable to the east part.

My 1-bed's rent in the mid-$3xx. My 2-beds rent in the mid-$4xx. My 3-beds rent in the mid-$5xx. Taxes are about $400-$500'ish/year, except for a few outliers, that might be about $800-$1200/year. (A few years ago, Austin told my county that it wasn't collecting enough in property taxes, so rates had an artificial and arbitrary hike. We challenged some and won; we challenged others and lost.) I try to pay less than $10k for my houses; they usually require $20k all-in, regardless of initial purchase price.

My area has a very stagnant population. There's not much to draw fresh people consistently into the area. So most people who are looking for a home can buy a turnkey starter home for about $30-$60k. That's the equivalent of one or two years' worth of household salary in my area, so people who can manage their money don't have much problem buying things if they become available. The biggest competitor is government housing-- my area has hundreds of units of subsidized housing. I don't even try to compete with them on price. People come to me because, even though they like the government housing prices, they hate the government housing neighbors that comes with it. :) --96.46.xxx.xx




Class C in your town (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 5:33 PM
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Sid (Mo)sounds very similar to mine. My photos on the picture page show most of ours. I am a little under market rent for our area. Just went up on one singlewide to 550.00, was 500.00 for a couple of years, but he has had a new electric furnace, new electric range, & new shower since he has been there. I included a local ad for a unit similar to ours for 650.00.

I just saw a Craig's List ad in our area today for a 2013, 1300 sq ft doublewide 3/2 for 850.00 with a 1000.00 deposit. I think that is too much for this area, but if they can get it & KEEP getting it, more power to them. Most of ours are HUD homes or repos. Our cheapest is a two bedroom/one bath singlewide for 400.00 (going up this year)

The most we have ever gotten was 700.00, a modular home, 1900 sq ft on 4 acres with a fireplace, large deck on rear. --71.51.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 6:13 PM
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Mine are a lot like yours, Roy and Sid. 950-1100 sq. ft, 2/1 or 3/1 homes, mostly with alley garages. Big-city school district is mediocre for the most part. Rents are $935-$1000. Purchase + rehab between 35-40K. I rent to bus drivers, school teachers, CNAs, etc. --204.210.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 8:20 PM
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Roy, Most of mine here are in the heart of C neighborhoods. 2/1 no garage 750 sqft brings in $750, 3/1 900 sqft with detached garage brings in $900. Taxes are $1300 to $1700 per SFH. The problem here is two years ago, I could buy these all day long in this neighborhood for $35K, now they are going for $70-90K.

I've had to switch to a lower-end class C neighborhood that seems to be turning for the better. I've been buying in the new neighborhood for $35K and still getting almost comparable rents, hopefully it will continue to improve.

It would also be interesting to know how big the city is for the comparison. Around here the City is about 250K. --74.196.xx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 21, 2018 9:11 AM
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MikeA (TX)

My city is only about 35,000 population and 80% of the people here are blue collar. Our biggest employers are Goodyear, Honda and 2 hospitals. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 21, 2018 3:13 PM
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Interesting. Our area is not tied to one or two big employers. We have several medium sized employers including a Government facility, Fiberglass plant, copper refinery, meat packers, lots of wind energy firms, lots of agriculture, and of course oil. There is a wide range of incomes from $10 per hour to over $200K annually. I would say most blue collar workers are making low $20 per hour, rough necks in oil will bring in $35 an hour while they have work (feast or famine). The real estate market here is pretty stable, growing slowly until the last couple of years. We have an Economic Development Agency that is funded through sales tax. They have really caused the city to grow and putting us in a bit of a housing shortage especially in the B neighborhoods, that is spilling over into the C neighborhoods. --74.196.xx.xxx




Class C in your town (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jan 22, 2018 4:55 AM
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Yesterday I was sitting on the front steps of my only vacancy. Just looking across and down the street, I notice numerous cars parked in the front yard, foul language rap music blasting from one parked car, creepy looking people walking down the street, and I had to wonder,...has this hood changed from Class C to Class D? It does happen. Maybe it is time to sell? --68.63.xxx.xxx




Class C in your town (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 22, 2018 6:35 PM
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That's one data point. I've always judged a neighborhood on a plus and minus scale. Plus - remodels, new paint, new shrubs, nicely mowed yards. Minus - cars in yards, trash strewn, weeds, etc. More minuses than pluses and it's time to think about selling. --74.196.xx.xxx





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