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Old Wall Repair (by Frank [NJ]) Jan 17, 2018 9:40 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 17, 2018 9:54 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by Frank [NJ]) Jan 17, 2018 10:18 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by Peter [NH]) Jan 17, 2018 10:27 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by plenty [MO]) Jan 17, 2018 10:43 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Jan 17, 2018 10:55 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Jan 17, 2018 11:01 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by NE [PA]) Jan 17, 2018 11:04 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Jan 17, 2018 11:07 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by Barb [MO]) Jan 17, 2018 11:11 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Jan 17, 2018 11:22 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by Andrew, Canada [ON]) Jan 17, 2018 2:32 PM
       Old Wall Repair (by Frank [NJ]) Jan 17, 2018 2:44 PM
       Old Wall Repair (by AllyM [NJ]) Jan 17, 2018 4:58 PM
       Old Wall Repair (by Tom [FL]) Jan 17, 2018 6:46 PM
       Old Wall Repair (by Vee [OH]) Jan 18, 2018 5:37 AM
       Old Wall Repair (by Nellie [ME]) Jan 18, 2018 4:19 PM
       Old Wall Repair (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 18, 2018 7:05 PM


Old Wall Repair (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 9:40 AM
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Greetings All: Working on the old house I had spoken about some months ago.

Lots of paster & lath walls, most with cracks. Starting with one B/R room and closet.

Have scraped and cleaned out most cracks preparing for taping w/fiberglass mesh and then finishing.

Has had a few [!] coats of paint over the past 60 years and some areas have just paint peeling/cracking, not cracks, but still there are areas that once the flaking paint is gone there are "low areas".

Is there a "secret sauce" for filling these in such as a primer or something that may be just a step or two below that of skim coating the entire room?

Thank you for your input. --74.105.xxx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 9:54 AM
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Some of the old walls built with wood lath with a thin coat of plaster placed over it contain Asbestos mixed in with the plaster, and the paint may also contain Lead.

Before working on the cracks, you should have a Lead test conducted on the layers of paint and a test done on the plaster itself.

With some of my property's that continue to have cracks in the thin plaster, I have installed 1/4 inch drywall over all of the walls and ceilings. Then after the tape muddling I've had an orange peal texture put over the surface, then primed and painted.

--47.156.xx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 10:18 AM
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I grew up here and we loved to use the old school oil based paints especially on trim.

Not old enough for horsehair but I am sure that there are worm cans through out the place that we turn a blind eye to.

there is not enough $ or energy to strip off all trim, & pad out the walls. Repairs is what I can expect to do.

Robert thanks for the reminder I know that you mean well. --74.105.xxx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by Peter [NH]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 10:27 AM
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I had 3/8'' drywall screwed in over all existing old walls then finished with new inexpensive trim. No more lead paint and cracks to deal with ever. It worked out really well for me as opposed to completely gutting. I learned to finish one room at a time to not get overwhelmed.

I learned that for me, old buildings are NOT my niche. Since then I have only bought newer places, however I have owned that old 3Family for 27 years and it does have a good return. --73.61.xx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 10:43 AM
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This old house tv show has online videos of different ways. Last show i recently saw on tv the patched plaster with drywall. But they also show other techniques if you want to patch plaster more authentically. --66.87.xx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 10:55 AM
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Typically, I cut all of the cracks into a 'V' shape, making sure all of the loose plaster is removed...yup...no matter how big the area becomes...after everything loose or crumbly is removed, prime the brown coat (exposed part) with a concrete bonding adhesive. (any box store) This will harden the brown coat. After the bonding adhesive is dry (very fast) use the quick dry "hot" mud to fill the cracks. Fill the cracks to just above the surface and then use the woven fiberglass type tape and cover all cracks. Two overlapping pieces side by side is acceptable for large cracks. For large areas (water damage on ceiling) I often use a cut off piece of fiberglass screen.

Now for the overly anal...I personally no longer do these next steps. Prime the concrete adhesive/bonder w a shellac based primer (spray can)...side note...Shellac primer is a miracle...covers soot, crayons...etc It's the go-to primer of restoration companies. First coat of "setting type" mud...I can't remember the exact brand but one of the powder type "hot" muds has an above average strength. It is a "setting type", and dries as hard as a rock. You would use this to fill the cracks and then use a lightweight mud to skim the tape. (Personally I have gone to using the H. Depot brand dry mix mud, 45min, exclusively for all steps) Your skill will dictate which "speed" to buy. Start w 90min, if you don't know. Easy enough, there is a certain acquired skill to sheetrock work. Best of luck.

I am certain many will ask "Why not just use plaster?" You can, but it's even trickier than sheetrock mud and not something that I carry on my truck. I always have a partial bag of dry mix "hot mud" in my truck. I've used my way for a dozen or more years and never had a problem.

Trust me when I say that the bonding adhesive is the trick. ;)

Best of luck. --74.124.xxx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 11:01 AM
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Oh yeah.... I forgot my warnings.... Listen to Robert. Asbestos. Also, Shellac based primers have been known to cause some "neurological" problems in certain people. It can be some bad stuff. Lots of ventilation, but honestly, the brand name latex primer called Gripper (H. Depot) is my go to primer. They used to market it as a primer for priming tile. Not kidding. In a pinch I have used it as a transitional paint on top of oil base. (Talked to a paint manufacturer, about that one) It sticks to everything, but again, I now skip the prime the concrete adhesive step and go directly to mudding the crack.

Best of luck. --74.124.xxx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 11:04 AM
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In an old plaster and lathe house, I would leave it. --50.32.xxx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 11:07 AM
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Correction..first explanation should've said "Fill cracks to just BELOW* the surface." Oops! --74.124.xxx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 11:11 AM
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Even better - find a guy who knows how to do it and hire him.

I found a 60ish year old handyman. He fixed most of my cracking plaster, refinished my floors, braced my floor in the basement where it was sagging, and installed new trim. This is in my personal home (built in 1923). --131.151.xx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 11:22 AM
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It was bugging me so I looked it up. I believe the non shrinking, setting type sheetrock powder I used to use for filling large cracks is called Durabond. It drys rock hard, so never leave any lumps or you will need a belt sander to knock them down. :) Truly, this stuff is not meant for sanding. I just found it inconvenient to carry around two types for the occasional large cracks. Also, finding it,usually involves a special trip to a sheetrock supplier. (Never in a convenient spot! lol) --74.124.xxx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by Andrew, Canada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 2:32 PM
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Yup durabond is my go to filler. It is extremely difficult to sand. I apply what I need and then using the sharp blade of plastering knife, knock off the high spots of durabond and put a very thin layer of sandable drywall compound over top.

But as suggested be aware of the possibilty of asbestos and lead. --65.94.xxx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 2:44 PM
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Thank you all for the help. I truly do apprciate it.

Durabond it is.

I did have a retired carpenter help us out with our rental which has an early 50's type wallboard/cementatious sheetrock which has a skim coat of plaster.

I had tried filling and not taping the very thin & myriad cracks to little long term effect.

On a subsequent go 'round of turnover I found this retired carpenter who used the Durabond with the fiberglass mesh.

This method has just about all the rentals issues fixed...long-term.

1GR81- you had me wondering about that fill part...thanks for the correction.

Many thanks to all that took the time to respond.

In short: Durabond takes skill and work...its not a "magic wand". ;-) --74.105.xxx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 4:58 PM
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Frank, I use joint compound and the proper new plaster tools and just make a light coat over the problem area. Then I sponge it when it gets partly dry and it works nicely. The paint you would then use would be a flat paint since it hides such things. Other things people have used with bad results for these situations are paneling and stucco and wall paper. If they are all below the middle of the room you could panel the lower section of the wall and add a chair rail. Old houses look nice with wallpaper if you found something that is correct as to date that might be OK too. But really a very light coat of joint compound with the right tool and wrist angle will work. I taught myself to plaster. --73.33.xxx.xxx




Old Wall Repair (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Jan 17, 2018 6:46 PM
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Oil base primer and paint has such an odor that it not good to use it. Yes some of the better brands of water base paint has an odor however they are safer to use.

Kilz Max is a great primer and acts like the old shellac base oil primers. Go to Kilz website and check it out.

As several has mentioned be careful with asbestos and lead in the old wall. You may be hiring an abatement company and stripping the trim and starting from the studded walls with new drywall. But that's ok then you have a safe and clean environment to work with. --99.56.xx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2018 5:37 AM
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I have done some restorations on lathe walls but the problem is once you touch it it grows with failure of the lathe connection to the studs so you remove all the plaster, renail the wood that is not split - you replace that wood then begin to replace the plaster onto the slats, sure is a lot of work, eh? Use the overlay method after you have wires and pipes in good working order. --76.188.xxx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2018 4:19 PM
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I use Durabond Easy Sand. Much easier to sand.

--70.16.xx.xx




Old Wall Repair (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2018 7:05 PM
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bead board - 1/2 or 3/4 of the way up the wall --72.95.xx.xxx





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