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OT: Land of Free (by Luba [NY]) Jan 12, 2018 5:28 AM
       OT: Land of Free (by David [MI]) Jan 12, 2018 5:42 AM
       OT: Land of Free (by Frank [NJ]) Jan 12, 2018 6:11 AM
       OT: Land of Free (by AllyM [NJ]) Jan 12, 2018 7:40 AM
       OT: Land of Free (by Luba [NY]) Jan 12, 2018 10:36 AM
       OT: Land of Free (by Vee [OH]) Jan 12, 2018 12:13 PM
       OT: Land of Free (by Don [PA]) Jan 12, 2018 9:41 PM
       OT: Land of Free (by Don [PA]) Jan 12, 2018 9:44 PM
       OT: Land of Free (by Wilma [PA]) Jan 13, 2018 1:10 PM
       OT: Land of Free (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 13, 2018 4:47 PM
       OT: Land of Free (by Luba [NY]) Jan 13, 2018 5:52 PM

OT: Land of Free (by Luba [NY]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 5:28 AM

I was attending a village Comprehensive Plan Meeting.

For the first time in my life I seen a special headphones for real time translation. You can sit anywhere in a room and listen a translator.

While people was taking about traffic pattern, parking, school and tourists - one group was demanding “What you will do for a Spanish speaking residents?”

Mayor told we have all paperwork, fliers posters in two languages. We have couple nonprofits to help with legal stuff and translation.(it is some illegal immigrants here to). We have free language classes. If you have other ideas come and talk about it.

Next was a person who was angry that future upscale waterfront development didn’t assign more affordable housing units.

The other was complaining that rental in a village is too pricey. It is hard for poor to afford it with low salary and a handful of kids.

Look like they want it all! Free services and a low rent, but services is funded from our taxes and that’s why rent is high. Also, why tell them that they need to live in pricey waterfront historical village?

Being an immigrant myself, all I want to tell back: learn English, pay taxes, have as many kids as you can support and be glad you are here - the land of free. --69.120.xxx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 5:42 AM

" have as many kids as you can support" For basically 99% of the country, without taxpayer funded child tax credits and taxpayer funded public schools, thats ZERO. NADA. NONE. --12.156.xxx.xx

OT: Land of Free (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 6:11 AM

The mindsets are that they are owed not equality of outcome ...the equality of opportunity does not matter as it's too hard --70.208.xx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 7:40 AM

New Jersey has something called Mount Laurel legislation which requires municipalities to set aside a certain amount of housing for the poor and low income. Of course the Democrats were in charge for that. So upscale Princeton New Jersey jumped right in an built a lot of that low income housing. Unfortunately many of the units burnt down last week when someone had a kitchen fire. Unfair to make hard working taxpayers support folks in areas that are too expensive for them to live in the first place. --73.33.xxx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by Luba [NY]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 10:36 AM

I was not pleased to see all this demands.

It was like “you own us”. But own for what?

In my mind everyone is equal. It doesn’t matter if they speak other language, my English is not perfect too. Should I ask for some free money or cheap housing?

Developer will provide more than 60 affordable units. They want more. I will be prefer if someone who can afford this place will live at this location. Too bad, I will never afford it... But their kids will attend the same school, play at the same playground etc. Parents will pay bigger taxes and hopefully spend locally.

All I heard “what else you can do for us?”

They just don’t get it that Them IS Us. We live in the same village.


OT: Land of Free (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 12:13 PM

Luba your story here is the main reason when I go to HD I almost always go to the self checkout because there is a key on the starting where you can press -french- language, the non busy clerks will ask why I did that, I tell them that HD uses the register as a survey and I feel not offering my ancestors german or french is discrimination, my french is not very good (I failed in 3 years in high school) but I can protest this way about the mystery of spanish as the -official second language- of the USA, there is no official language but a few states have adopted english language, my ancestors faced the language barrier at the post office, butcher shop, city dairy delivery, coal delivery, hospital, other places along with many of you here had family who had to learn to be here among the free. A few years ago I was at a council meeting where the discussion of changing all the street signs to duel language, I made a suggestion that the signs be removed and left in hibernation for 2 years to reduce the bad driving habits that have been formed - only the attentive drivers will have working front lights and the lawyers will have to get a 2nd job as the case load will be reduced, judges may have to also get a second job too... --76.188.xxx.xx

OT: Land of Free (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 9:41 PM

Ally, the mount laurel decisions are not quite what you describe. First of all, they were court decisions, not legislation. What they basically say is that towns have to use their zoning authority for the benefit of all people. They cannot use zoning to limit residences to McMansions on one acre lots, so that the poor are excluded from their town. They have to include some zoning for types of housing that are more affordable, like row homes or apt. Bldgs. I don't think that the cases actually require financial subsidy. --73.141.xxx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2018 9:44 PM

Continuing--- otherwise, " where they can afford" will be nowhere because no town wants the burden of a bunch of poor people and every town will exclude them through zoning. --73.141.xxx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2018 1:10 PM

About 20 years ago in my county, some developers bought up the farm land, and then sued the township for their zoning regulations that limited high-density housing. The lawyers brought in all kinds of lower income people who wanted affordable housing in the form of apartments and townhouses.

The township lost, and the developers got the green light. And, you got it, put in upscale townhouses and lots of McMansions. Despicable.

I must confess, the "upscaling" of the township made my properties more valuable. I'm considering selling my personal home that needs work, but has an acre of land, for lot value - I will still come out way ahead. Very tempting. --71.175.xxx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2018 4:47 PM


Opportunity takes on several versions and varieties. Where i absolutely agree with what you say, there are other answers that are also correct --24.101.xxx.xxx

OT: Land of Free (by Luba [NY]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2018 5:52 PM

I signed for some kind of residents focus group.

Hope at least to see what will decided for the next 20 years. --69.120.xxx.xxx

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