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LL/T Expectations (by S i d [MO]) Jan 8, 2018 8:56 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by David [MI]) Jan 8, 2018 9:50 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 8, 2018 10:01 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by plenty [MO]) Jan 8, 2018 11:18 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by LindaJ [NY]) Jan 8, 2018 11:45 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by AllyM [NJ]) Jan 8, 2018 4:10 PM
       LL/T Expectations (by Amy [MO]) Jan 8, 2018 4:50 PM
       LL/T Expectations (by S i d [MO]) Jan 9, 2018 7:06 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 9, 2018 7:43 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by Amy [MO]) Jan 9, 2018 7:58 AM
       LL/T Expectations (by Sisco [MO]) Jan 9, 2018 8:50 AM

LL/T Expectations (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 8:56 AM

In 2018, I have a goal to automate the move-in process. I am trying to find a fairly "fool proof" way to ensure the tenant understands our expectations. This is not the typical, "let's go over the lease."

I don't usually go thru the whole lease at move-in. I email it to them at least a day in advance so they can look it over. I doubt that many do. But if we do the whole thing at signing time, it takes a lot of time, and what I've found is the main thing on their mind is, "get keys, start moving." They won't be focused on me droning on about abandonment regulations, etc.

Thought about a move-in DVD like Mike Butler has or a YouTube, and I may still do that, but my goal is not to hit every single jot and tittle of the lease. Overall expectations are the key! Hit the stuff that causes 80% of the problems and provide a quick reference sheet for the future.

I typed up the following letter that we'd go over right before signing the lease. Then I'll look them in the eye and say, "Is everyone in agreement with this?" If yes, we sign. If not, we don't. It's 1 page, in "list" format to keep it short 'n sweet.

Please take a look and let me know of any suggestions! Am I crazy? Am I lazy? Does this idea have merit? Your thoughts are appreciated.


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LL/T Expectations (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 9:50 AM

Other than maybe the latter part of 7, I feel like all of those items are should be obvious to reasonable and credit-worthy people, even if they have never rented a house before. I would not rent to someone I had to emphasize those points to.

that said, for 2, you should emphasize the nature of a lease , how it is different from M2M and what an ELT is. --12.156.xxx.xx

LL/T Expectations (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 10:01 AM

Without reading it first, I LOVE lists and a numbered format.

After reading it, I think folks basically know what is expected and seeing this in writing won't help - this istoo general. They'll either do what they are supposed to (guided by common sense - such as keeping contractor's appts) or they won't. Agreeing today to be certain to be there for the plumber doesn't mean that come August they will remember or care that you told them now ... they'll either be the kind of folks who pay attention and will be there or else they are an "oops, that was today?" kind of person.

I think if you have specific requests for your places, that would be okay. i.e., Trash cans must be placed at this location. Don't put cans to the curb before dusk the night before pick up. Do not drape a confederate flag across the front porch railing. Do not use your sister's old sofa as porch furniture, etc. --72.95.xx.xxx

LL/T Expectations (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 11:18 AM

know where the water shut off is for each faucet and whole house. Know where the electric panel box is.

how about what is an emergency and what is not ?

Or don't bother the neighbors --173.127.xxx.x

LL/T Expectations (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 11:45 AM

Although the list is great, it seems the Landlord list is just facts, the tenant list sounds patronizing, mothering and nagging. Maybe if you just listed - landlord and tenant responsibilities and stick to the fact - rent is due on or before the 1st to avoid eviction.

That said, I don't think your list will make much difference. I have those things in bold letters in the agreement, numbered, so it is easy to find, and the legalese wording that is needed in regular print after that. Most everyone I rent to understands this.

I also have no problem giving a sample lease to people when they ask, so they have plenty of time to read it and know what they are signing. --96.236.xx.xx

LL/T Expectations (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 4:10 PM

Here's an idea. Write everything out with one syllable words at a fourth grade level with short sentences. Then they may read the stuff and understand it. --73.33.xxx.xxx

LL/T Expectations (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2018 4:50 PM

I agree with LindaJ. The words "expect you to" grates. "By signing of the lease, you promise to:", sounds a little better.

I would keep it positive. Yes, you want to assert control, but you are coming over too pushy waaay before they've done anything wrong.

I also wouldn't want you to be set up for a failure. For example, let's say you have hail damage. The tenant knows the shingles are in poor condition, but it's not leaking. Getting that roof fixed could take more than the 30 days, but your tenant could go there and say," well, this paper says 30 days."You've now got a disgruntled tenant because they are anxious about a leaky roof.

At the signing, we just go through anything that is out of the ordinary.

- no pets

- no smoking

-rent due on the first, late on 2nd.

-How to pay rent

-have them sign lead disclosure


- appliances not part of lease

Fill out and return movein form within 3 days

That's it. I don't go over anything else.

They can read it. They can ask questions anytime.


LL/T Expectations (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2018 7:06 AM

The consensus view appears to be that I'm overdoing it, and after reading the comments I agree it probably isn't worthwhile. I'll just keep doing what I've been doing and count on good screening to make for a better end result. Thanks for your time and thoughts. --173.19.xx.xxx

LL/T Expectations (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2018 7:43 AM

Sid, this is one of the reasons I derive such great benefit from this site. Seems this wasn't a great idea ... the way you were intending to use it and/or at this point in time.

BUT, if you're like me this idea is now tucked away in the recesses of this great brain of mine and will be pulled forward, reviewed, revised and tucked away again ... should you ever want something like this ever in the future, you've now got a foundation. --72.95.xx.xxx

LL/T Expectations (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2018 7:58 AM

It's admirable that you are constantly striving to make your business processes more streamlined and efficient.

My hubby also doesn't care for lease signings as they drag on and since Ive been on this forum, for some reason the contracts keep getting longer and longer. Coincidence? I think not! ;) --76.193.xxx.xxx

LL/T Expectations (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2018 8:50 AM

For the past year I have been using Brad10k's lease. In it is a room by room check list of condition of ceiling/floor/walls/doors/switches/ect.It takes tenant about an hour to complete. Also a move out checklist is alongside. Plainly stated that tenant is responsible for returning home in move in ready condition. Along with the lease being read to them via recording.......every tenancy in 2017 was not perfect....but much, much improved.

For the naysayers, keep in mind that I don't approve Judgement proof applicants. That is the key.

I recommend you go forward with your y tube project. --72.172.xxx.xx

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