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Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Nov 18, 2017 9:06 AM
       Crystal ball? (by Deanna [TX]) Nov 18, 2017 9:29 AM
       Crystal ball? (by Richard [MI]) Nov 18, 2017 9:37 AM
       Crystal ball? (by Salernitana [CA]) Nov 18, 2017 9:40 AM
       Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Nov 18, 2017 11:55 AM
       Crystal ball? (by Deanna [TX]) Nov 18, 2017 12:00 PM
       Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Nov 18, 2017 12:29 PM
       Crystal ball? (by Deanna [TX]) Nov 18, 2017 12:36 PM
       Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Nov 18, 2017 2:42 PM
       Crystal ball? (by AllyM [NJ]) Nov 18, 2017 4:03 PM
       Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Nov 19, 2017 2:01 AM
       Crystal ball? (by rentON [PA]) Nov 19, 2017 3:12 AM
       Crystal ball? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Nov 19, 2017 10:50 PM
       Crystal ball? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 23, 2017 4:27 PM
       Crystal ball? (by Dan [NY]) Nov 24, 2017 5:19 AM


Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 9:06 AM
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I wish my crystal ball wasn't broken. In the city (county seat) I have most of my rentals (and this city has the strictest city code in the county), it looks to me like 85% of the sales of SFH's are going under $15,000-some are less than $1000!

These aren't the best areas, of course-the better areas are still commanding decent prices, however-

in addition to this, almost all of the 85% are being purchased by non-owner-occupants.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to what is going to happen next??? --76.189.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 9:29 AM
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Interesting!

Usually, when we find a sfh for sale in that price range-- and even though we live in an undesirable area, that's nowhere near going market rate-- it's because of Personal Circumstances. Illness, or inheritance, or stress, or I-found-my-dream-land-and-need-to-raise-money-fast, or whatever. The #1 impression is that it's really weird that, in presumably an ordinary town with an ordinary economy and an ordinary population, that the market rate for all of these houses are in the basement.

The #2 impression is that it's weird that your town/city is attracting all of this investor money. Has this investor money always been in your area, to one extent or another? Or is this investor money from a distance? If you check the appraisal district, are there just one or two big players who are snapping up all the deals, or are there dozens of investors all converging on your market?

Market price is usually reflective of the economic stability of an area. The more economically stable an area is, the higher the house prices. If an area is economically fragile, it's reflected in the house prices as well. You know how many major employers are keeping your town running. Is there rumors of someone about to pack up and leave, and take a thousand jobs with them? Are people trying to sell a house for $15k now, rather than waiting for an employer to leave, and not be able to sell a house for $50k six months from now? --96.46.xxx.xx




Crystal ball? (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 9:37 AM
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Why not check with the city and see if these are tax-sale properties? Maybe someone is buying them from tax sales and just reselling them on ebay.You --23.121.xx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 9:40 AM
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If it's any consolation, Berkeley or San Jose or Los Angeles in CA have very tough city codes in the country, and I feel a bit better knowing that your area in Ohio indeed is very tricky as well.

It certainly feels like a bubble is going to happen or at least foreign investors who partner with huge behemoth corporations like Blackstone are flush with cash and want to hedge their bets on Blackstoneish investments. I heard that Blackstone buys swaths of real estate and basically acts like a landlord on of course a huge scale with the best of the best, including attorneys and strategists. If your area is still extremely affordable but being bought out heavily by investors versus homeowners, then I'd guess that someone super powerful feels that your area's values will appreciate and sees tremendous growth, infrastructure and businesses soon opening up and improving due to their speculation research?

I hope so much for you things will work out great. Best of luck and please share what unfolds as it happens.

--67.170.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 11:55 AM
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I don't believe most of the LLC's etc are from out-of-town. All our county's records are all online and available for anyone to see @ the click of a mouse, so I could find out. (And our local paper ha a real estate portion of Friday's paper where all the county sales are listed each week).

There is NO WAY all of these are tax sales! (I am personally acquainted with one landlord who's purchase was recorded this week-he bought his property for $7000).

Our local economy is in the toilet, with many major employers going out of business. --76.189.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 12:00 PM
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Ahh, then that might be a big part of it.

With many major employers going out of business, you have a number of people who are realizing that opportunity is elsewhere right now. So they're wanting to scramble and get a small amount of cash now, so they can relocate elsewhere fast, rather than hang on to their house/try to find another local job/try to get full selling price.

The investors are trying to bank on the town's economic future being temporarily unpleasant, but not permanently damaged. So I bet their plan is to snap up these houses that have suddenly come available at fire-sale prices, riding the current waves for a few years, and then having a good portfolio when economic times are sunny again. The risk, of course, is that the economic structure of the town is permanently altered, and large chunks of the population and jobs might not come back. But that's part of why the prices are in the basement-- because of that risk. --96.46.xxx.xx




Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 12:29 PM
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Also-what I find interesting is that most of the properties are being paid for with cash (guessing here-but who gets a mortgage for $7000)?

Rental rate for a SFH like this would probably be about $500-$600 a month-and @ that rate, you'd get your money back in a little over a year! --76.189.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 12:36 PM
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Have you been able to snag any for yourself? :) If you feel confident about the long-term outlook, it seems like there's a lot of opportunity. --96.46.xxx.xx




Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 2:42 PM
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The least I've paid is about $15,000. For two or three. We are not really looking to expand. --76.189.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2017 4:03 PM
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OK so people are not paying their property taxes or water or other fees and are losing their homes at tax sales. I suspect they may be heading south as the economy improves there.

OK 85%, you say, of the houses selling for under 15K, are going to non owner occupants. Do you mean non occupant owners? Those might be the people who held the lien on the homes for which people were not paying taxes and fees.

In any case, you need some industry. As our industrial economy improves they will be looking for labor pools. If you think you might have a lot of assembler type workers, then you just have to wait for that industry. Four to five years should do it if no one messes with the Pres. --73.33.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2017 2:01 AM
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Ally-THESE ARE NOT TAX SALES!

These are regular sales!!! --76.189.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by rentON [PA]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2017 3:12 AM
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It definitely sounds like the poor local economy has impacted the housing market. If the economy picks up the housing market will improve. Are you aware of any future job growth? Are you close to PA that Shell Cracker plant can have an impact?

I'm in Western PA and believe the Cracker plant is going to have a tremendous impact on the rental market. The actual construction of the plant is just starting.

Good luck. --73.236.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2017 10:50 PM
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Susan,

Maybe it's the wall painter selling off, titling the stats!

BRAD --68.51.xx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2017 4:27 PM
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I am looking forward to the construction on 376 ending soon --24.101.xxx.xxx




Crystal ball? (by Dan [NY]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2017 5:19 AM
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I can’t comorehend a house going for under 15k. On Long Island your getting a project house for 150-200 and not in the best areas. The differences across the country are amazing! --68.192.xxx.xx





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