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Pit Bulls (by CDM [CA]) Oct 23, 2017 7:23 AM
       Pit Bulls (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 23, 2017 7:31 AM
       Pit Bulls (by #22 [MO]) Oct 23, 2017 7:46 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Alan [CA]) Oct 23, 2017 8:01 AM
       Pit Bulls (by S i d [MO]) Oct 23, 2017 8:42 AM
       Pit Bulls (by WMH [NC]) Oct 23, 2017 8:46 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Steve [MA]) Oct 23, 2017 8:49 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Lynda [TX]) Oct 23, 2017 10:31 AM
       Pit Bulls (by John [NY]) Oct 23, 2017 11:24 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Plenty [MO]) Oct 23, 2017 12:56 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 23, 2017 1:06 PM
       Pit Bulls (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Oct 23, 2017 1:33 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 23, 2017 1:42 PM
       Pit Bulls (by RB [MI]) Oct 23, 2017 3:11 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Frank [NJ]) Oct 23, 2017 4:24 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Chris [CT]) Oct 23, 2017 4:35 PM
       Pit Bulls (by RentsDue [MA]) Oct 23, 2017 4:43 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 23, 2017 4:48 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Plenty [MO]) Oct 23, 2017 5:28 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Tom [FL]) Oct 23, 2017 5:47 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Tom [FL]) Oct 23, 2017 5:47 PM
       Pit Bulls (by ntj [GA]) Oct 23, 2017 6:15 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Salernitana [CA]) Oct 23, 2017 9:12 PM
       Pit Bulls (by cjo'h [CT]) Oct 23, 2017 10:00 PM
       Pit Bulls (by cjo'h [CT]) Oct 23, 2017 10:22 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Vee [OH]) Oct 24, 2017 5:08 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Richard [MI]) Oct 24, 2017 5:53 AM
       Pit Bulls (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 24, 2017 6:30 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Tom [FL]) Oct 24, 2017 7:04 AM
       Pit Bulls (by S i d [MO]) Oct 24, 2017 7:10 AM
       Pit Bulls (by WMH [NC]) Oct 24, 2017 8:33 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Lynda [TX]) Oct 24, 2017 9:05 AM
       Pit Bulls (by Wilma [PA]) Oct 24, 2017 12:56 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 24, 2017 2:55 PM
       Pit Bulls (by Gwen [NY]) Oct 24, 2017 3:59 PM
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Pit Bulls (by CDM [CA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 7:23 AM
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From the Washington Post this morning. You never see this kind of tragic story about poodles:

"A pair of pit bulls attacked and killed a 7-year-old boy in Lowell, Mass., on Saturday evening.

A preliminary investigation suggested the unidentified boy entered a fenced area containing the two pit bulls, which then attacked him, the Middlesex district attorney’s office said in a statement to several local media outlets.

Neighbors witnessed the attack at around 6 p.m. and frantically began calling police.

“I heard someone yelling, ‘It’s my baby! It’s my baby!’ and I come to find out that it was my daughter’s friend’s son,” neighbor Annmarie Dizazzo told WFXT..."

--63.230.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 7:31 AM
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This breaks my heart. It would be so easy to ban them. We don't allow tigers as pets so why must be have this blight on our lives. Recently a pit bull in back of me tore down my fence and was about to come through when my "radar" warned me and I was able to get someone out within two hours to put up more fence because the fence guy's son was hospitalized for a pit bull attack and he knew how bad it can be. True any big dog can kill. St. Bernard killed a child who stuck a pencil in it's ear. Two Presa Canarios killed a full grown woman in a hotel hallway in CA years ago. I can't imagine the pain of the woman who lost her son. If that's an Italian neighborhood so the owner of those pits is in huge trouble. --73.33.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 7:46 AM
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I read this story. How disgusting.

Sick of the "pitbulls aren't the problem" movement of fools. --173.24.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Alan [CA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 8:01 AM
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Why do people even have them?? --73.158.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 8:42 AM
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What I find interesting on this topic is it comes down to a clash between dog owners who stand up for the rights of everyone, including those who don't take responsibility for their animals, vs. the rights of the innocents who are harmed.

Unfortunately, we have no way of identifying who is/isn't a responsible owner until AFTER the damaging attack occurs, at which point it is too little, too late. With such non-predictable scenarios, I think the situation argues for prudence and public safety over rights of someone to own a specific breed of dog.

Of all the breeds, pit bulls are consistently cited as the most likely to cause damaging or fatal attacks, more than any other single breed or several other large dog breeds combined. Even when the owner is responsible, there are also circumstances where the responsibility appears to have little or no effect when the dog "snaps" or is provoked.

Ultimately to me, it comes down to insurance companies not allowing them at my houses. I cannot go without liability insurance, so no pits or other dangerous breeds identified on their list are allowed. --173.19.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 8:46 AM
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Because the rescues are full of "mixed pits" and people are encouraged to adopt them without regard for where they came from.

And because the people who say "it's the owners not the dogs" haven't paid attention to the bad breeding that's gone on since, I would say, the 1970's or 80's, resulting in a changed animal. It doesn't take many generations of dogs to completely change them and we do it to all breeds. --173.22.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 8:49 AM
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This has been on all of the local news shows, in the local papers & on local talk radio. During the same time frame there was another incident about 20 miles away. IMO this was a senseless accident for which a lot of people are suffering. --72.93.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 10:31 AM
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THE question that no one has seemed to address is: WHY Was a 7 yr old child not supervised by an adult, and free to climb into the fenced dog area? IT is not JUST the responsibility of the pet owner (and it is), but ALSO the responsibility of whatever adults were in charge of the child.

MY daughter rescued a pit bull puppy several years ago and she turned out to be a sweet gentle dog that likes both people and cats. ON a walk she barks and growls at all other dogs but has never made any aggressive moves, and is very obedient to stopping when spoken to. She comes when called, and is fairly easy to distract, or change the mood. I realize she is probably an exception. I would not allow a tenant to own a pit bull in my property

I have gotten to know her quite well, as she is staying with me (semi-permanently) because of my daughter's house disaster in Houston. Even tho she is a 3-legged dog now (due to being hit by a car early on) we are always careful. My biggest worry is that somehow (?) another dog gets into our fenced yard. If a child, however, comes over the fence they would be licked a lot and brought a series of toys in anticipation of play. A LOT of a dog's temperament is being brought up right and properly socialized. --108.87.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by John [NY]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 11:24 AM
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A lot of people in the hood get a dog for protection, and there owners say they want the dog to bite if someone breaks in. Tenants don't care about landlords liability. It's the landlords with no insurance mostly that don't care, or check, or some just don't tell the insurance company. --107.77.xxx.x




Pit Bulls (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 12:56 PM
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Heart breaking.

People can't keep Lions, Tigers and Bears... Why pit bulls? Any dangerous animal... Even dogs. Something needs to change. --66.87.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 1:06 PM
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Lynda. Pits are inherently dangerous. has nothing to do with what you think of how the owners interact with them. The only good pit is a dead one. --97.94.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 1:33 PM
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"On a walk she barks and growls at other dogs but has never made any aggressive moves.." Barking and growling ARE aggression. Get her into obedience school ASAP. --98.146.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 1:42 PM
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another dog comes over. kid goes in to try to get between them. end of kid. end of story. Lynda. you are a fool. --24.178.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 3:11 PM
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Needless tragedy. --71.13.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 4:24 PM
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Today, here in Monmouth County I was in the local SPCA dropping off some bedding donations. I always walk thru the dog sector and in the 30 or so enclosures there were maybe 3 or 4 non-pits.

They send all the cute and pretty stuff to a higher end Pet Smart rescue section in Freehold.

Maybe 3 of the pits seemed somewhat friendly.....3 were downright scary in their demeanor and I do not jump to that conclusion easily.

I always SMH when I see this and today wondered what poor LL was gonna be saddled with this current crop --173.63.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Chris [CT]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 4:35 PM
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The only good Pit is one with a .45 slug in it. In the ghetto they chain them to the meters to prevent shut offs. --24.45.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 4:43 PM
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Yet we have to allow them if the owner claims they are an Emotional Support Animal........

Who is responsible then? --66.189.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 4:48 PM
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,22 has worked. --97.94.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 5:28 PM
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Just saying.... Dogs on leases and who obey don't get hit by cars.

Kids climb. Kids are not aware of danager. Even if an adult was right there...and they were, if you read the story. There was clearly no control over the dog/lion/tiger/bear. No adult could have stopped the attack. Try and help and you'll be next.

Also the pet owner always says "yesterday the pitbull was as sweet as a kitten" even the owner doesn't understand.

Your pit is capable. Sweet or not, it's built for this type of sitution... No one can predict. --66.87.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 5:47 PM
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Here are the Top 10 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds.

10. Akitas

9. Boxer

8. Great Danes (Scooby Do)

7. Chow Chow

6. Dobermans

5. Alaskan Malamutes

4 German Shepherd

3. Huskies

2.Rottweilers

1. Pitbull

Of course number one being a Pitbull. There is a problem that Puppy Mills have created with dog breeds and its not only the 10 dangerous Dog Breeds its all dog breeds.

Consider a person buys a dog. Decides this is easy money lets breed this dog. The first heat cycle the dog is 6 months to 9 months old NOW this dog; females or males are not done growing to maturity. ESPECIALLY the top 10 big dog breeds and now a 6 to 9 month old puppy is NOW having puppies all in the name of making money. NOT in the interest of promoting a strong breed and temperament, bone structure and very importantly a healthy dog. Now the puppy mills continues to breed this dog every heat cycle creating a bad situation for future owners who do not realize how badly this dogs health and temperament was compromised. Most big dogs are not mature internally until they are 2 years old and in the process these PUPPY MILLS had most likely 4 litters. Now these off spring will have issues; bad hips and other health problems. Now another Puppy Mill starts this process all over again. Now this process is causing the breed to have weakened traits from a to z.

The aggressive barking by the one posters dog is not good this dog AND owner needs more training because there could be a very dangerous outcome in the future of the dog.

The top two Puppy Mill states are Alabama and Pennsylvania, There are 2 other states that are top puppy mill states but I don’t recall the other two states. Unfortunately these states are not doing much to counter act the puppy mill issues.

Sadly for the family that lost the child there is no good reason of why and no explanation that will easy this senseless loss, the pain and anger that will be with them. Also add fear to the mix because they will be fearful of any big breed dogs.

My German Shepard was 4 months old when a Lab attacked her the LAB never growled, barked or showed signs of aggression. Once the attack occurred the owner did nothing and NEVER offered to pay the vet bills we incurred. What would have happened IF it was a child that this LAB would have attacked??? Thankfully our GSD her temperament is extremely excellent after the attack and she's doing fine. --99.56.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 5:47 PM
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Here are the Top 10 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds.

10. Akitas

9. Boxer

8. Great Danes (Scooby Do)

7. Chow Chow

6. Dobermans

5. Alaskan Malamutes

4 German Shepherd

3. Huskies

2.Rottweilers

1. Pitbull

Of course number one being a Pitbull. There is a problem that Puppy Mills have created with dog breeds and its not only the 10 dangerous Dog Breeds its all dog breeds.

Consider a person buys a dog. Decides this is easy money lets breed this dog. The first heat cycle the dog is 6 months to 9 months old NOW this dog; females or males are not done growing to maturity. ESPECIALLY the top 10 big dog breeds and now a 6 to 9 month old puppy is NOW having puppies all in the name of making money. NOT in the interest of promoting a strong breed and temperament, bone structure and very importantly a healthy dog. Now the puppy mills continues to breed this dog every heat cycle creating a bad situation for future owners who do not realize how badly this dogs health and temperament was compromised. Most big dogs are not mature internally until they are 2 years old and in the process these PUPPY MILLS had most likely 4 litters. Now these off spring will have issues; bad hips and other health problems. Now another Puppy Mill starts this process all over again. Now this process is causing the breed to have weakened traits from a to z.

The aggressive barking by the one posters dog is not good this dog AND owner needs more training because there could be a very dangerous outcome in the future of the dog.

The top two Puppy Mill states are Alabama and Pennsylvania, There are 2 other states that are top puppy mill states but I don’t recall the other two states. Unfortunately these states are not doing much to counter act the puppy mill issues.

Sadly for the family that lost the child there is no good reason of why and no explanation that will easy this senseless loss, the pain and anger that will be with them. Also add fear to the mix because they will be fearful of any big breed dogs.

My German Shepard was 4 months old when a Lab attacked her the LAB never growled, barked or showed signs of aggression. Once the attack occurred the owner did nothing and NEVER offered to pay the vet bills we incurred. What would have happened IF it was a child that this LAB would have attacked??? Thankfully our GSD her temperament is extremely excellent after the attack and she's doing fine. --99.56.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by ntj [GA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 6:15 PM
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A couple of thoughts:

1. I was looking to adopt a puppy 3 years ago and really wanted to get a rescue dog. There were a large number of dogs labeled "Lab Mix" that looked suspiciously like Pitts.

2. I know friends and family that have had both Pitts and Rotts and never had an issue. Once they had problems getting homeowners insurance they suddenly had Lab Mix dogs.

3. I also periodically see news reports about breeds involved in fatalities. If there out of 100 car models that are safe, why drive the 2 that are most likely to kill you?

4. Land lording is a business - look for ways to reduce risks to your asset. --24.98.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 9:12 PM
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Wow, what a sad story. I too feel so bad for the mother of the child and for anyone who has been affected by a biting dog.

I knew a rather wealthy woman who owned a Malamute (#5 on Tom's list) who was so vicious that she took it to a dog psychologist near Sacramento, CA. The dog returned and was seemingly docile and obedient until it suddenly tore out of my acquaintance's front door and darted to a neighbor's area where it killed the neighbor's cat. Another acquaintance in Los Gatos had a Malamute who kept escaping the property to attack anything that moved until my acquaintance put some sort of electric device on the dog's colar that elicited an electric shock if the dog went near the perimeter of the property.

Thanks for all of the perspectives and the posts.

--172.10.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 10:00 PM
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When something like that happens it is always very sad.We don't know what triggers a dog,any dog,to do what they do.What makes one dog do something,may not have any affect on another dog of the same breed.I kick into the "Belfast Telegraph" printed in Belfast, same thing happened back there last week,ten year old boy was killed by the German Shepard family pet,both grew up together,no one knows why. We had three Samoyed's,very docile with people ,children and other animals,except cats. The oldest dog had an intense hatred for an Olde English Sheepdog,knew when that dog was coming even though almost a mile away.Any other animals,Dobermans Shepherds,Rottweilers,pit bulls,no problems whatsoever.I don't have an answer.Charlie............................................................................ --174.199.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 10:22 PM
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Also a couple of weeks before that,63 year old woman was killed by a cow when taking the cattle back to the byte to be milked.That shouldn't have happened either,no record of cow being vicious.never bit anyone before.Charlie................... --174.199.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 5:08 AM
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I think the american staffordshire terrier is a breed that is docile after a transfusion of fermeldahyde has been performed to replace the blood of it's own and other critters.

The USA is infected with harboring dog's into cities, there must be some starving horses somewhere that would appreciate them... --76.188.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 5:53 AM
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Yet in Chicago, over 500 people have been murdered deliberately by other people and not one of you says a thing about it. Easier to focus your rage on animals. At least they can't shoot back.

Using your logic, why not just identify the type of people that may kill others and destroy them. It's the same kind of logic.

First it was the Dobermans. Then it was the Shepards. Now its the pits.

People like you are so easily manipulated into attacking whatever is the new identified target that it makes me wonder why there is not slaughter in the streets-- oh, wait, there is slaughter in the streets in Chicago.

For a long time now, vicious dogs that injure or kill people have been routinely destroyed. Yet people who do the same thing linger in prison for decades making excuses that it wasn't their fault or they were abused. --66.188.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 6:30 AM
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None of those breeds is allowed in my units. About the only dog I allow is a Chihuahua. Anything else is no. I keep my leases mtm just in case someone gets a bright idea of bringing in an emotional support animal.

I think these puppy mills need to be either shut down or regulated. --207.172.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 7:04 AM
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Richard of MI, Absolutely they should destroy vicious dogs AND the states should make it illegal for puppy mills. However then the states would have to hire more policing for puppy mills. Sad fact is that many states can not keep their financial issues in order. Example with Michigan financial woes especially Detroit was on the verge of bankruptcy like many other cities.

The high crime rate in Chicago check out what the powers to be have done about it, ZIP nothing...

The police can not touch anyone with out being accused of abuse. There are excellent police officers across our country but the less than 1% give police a bad name. AND TV shows do not show the reality of the day to day issues an officer faces once her she steps out of bed in the morning until he or she gets safely home at night.

Start with the powers to be in a city like Chicago then work from there.

There is a prime example in PA with a case that happened in the late 70's. Travaglia and Lesko killed four people on new years eve and one was a police officers on the job for a day or so. Sadly these two are getting appeal after appeal; WHY? is an excellent question. And its called the criminal justice system who really gets the justice???

--99.56.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 7:10 AM
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Okay, dog lovers. I'm not here to argue. Let the whatever dogs you like onto your property. But for goodness sake buy a ton of liability insurance. If you get sued, please hire a competent attorney. The arguments being put forth here in defense of known risks are...not very good (he said kindly). --173.19.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 8:33 AM
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Richard, I say plenty about people murdering other people but not on a thread about dogs. Apples to oranges for sure, what's your point? --173.22.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 9:05 AM
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When I say we are careful,I mean it. Our yard has a wooden, 6FT high fence. Maybe a teenager could get over it(?) If we leave the property, she is put in a crate. The only time she is free in the yard is when I am there. Our walks are short as she tires easily. Being 3-legged dog her head & shoulders are supported only by the one leg requiring lots of bouncing up/down and she is exhausted easily.

The time she got out (and hit by the car)as a puppy was when she lived with my daughter, and her stupid boyfriend let her out. He's long gone now.

PMH and Plenty, I didn't choose this dog. What I am doing by having her--is for family. After hurricane Harvey my daughter's house was ruined, her yard is a smelly mud hole, and the dog had no place to go but to me. This situation is bad for everyone involved. We are doing what we have to do. And even tho the dog has along history of gentleness, I am still being careful and responsible. keep your criticism to yourself. --108.87.xx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 12:56 PM
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I never heard of a human being killed by a house cat. And that's why I like cats. Just not in my rentals! --71.175.xxx.xxx




Pit Bulls (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 2:55 PM
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sorry about what your daughter has had to deal with. but spare us your justifications for keeping a dangerous animal. makes no difference. I once had to rescue my son from being attacked by neighbors pits who got loose. I shot them. neighbor still won’t talk to me. lol. --104.218.xxx.xx




Pit Bulls (by Gwen [NY]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 3:59 PM
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It's not so much about the breed as the number of dogs. Almost always when you hear about something like this, more than one dog is involved. Dogs are much more aggressive in packs. --74.70.xx.xx




Pit Bulls (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 25, 2017 4:29 PM
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Gwen, do you think if the group of pit bulls were instead a group of cocker spaniels, would the result have been the same? --68.83.xx.xxx



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