OT: Organ donation (by hollis [MA]) Oct 21, 2017 4:02 AM
OT: Organ donation (by LindaJ [NY]) Oct 21, 2017 5:33 AM
OT: Organ donation (by Ken [NY]) Oct 21, 2017 5:38 AM
OT: Organ donation (by hollis [MA]) Oct 21, 2017 5:42 AM
OT: Organ donation (by Mickie [OH]) Oct 21, 2017 1:41 PM
OT: Organ donation (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 21, 2017 1:45 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Deanna [TX]) Oct 21, 2017 3:05 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Mark [NY]) Oct 21, 2017 3:07 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 21, 2017 4:30 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Deanna [TX]) Oct 21, 2017 6:16 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Livethedream [AZ]) Oct 21, 2017 11:16 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Sparky [PA]) Oct 22, 2017 3:08 AM
OT: Organ donation (by Mark [NY]) Oct 22, 2017 5:02 PM
OT: Organ donation (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Oct 22, 2017 7:37 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 23, 2017 1:56 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Sue [MI]) Oct 24, 2017 1:52 PM
OT: Organ donation (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 24, 2017 5:02 PM
OT: Organ donation (by hollis [MA]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 4:02 AM Message:
As someone that lost a family member waiting for a organ donation, I like this idea from NYS. (There are redundant safeguards to make sure its done right.)
Gov. Andrew Cuomo is standing firmly behind legislation to make every adult in the state a potential organ donor unless they opt out. The policy, known as “presumed consent,” would reverse the existing situation, in which people who wish to become donors must opt in.
If the governor’s legislation passes, the state would at last join other states to adopt presumed consent. Registering will be simplicity itself. When people apply for a driver’s license, they will fill out the organ donor registry section.
The objective is to cure a long-standing problem: Too few New Yorkers become organ donors.
Is presumed consent the answer? Opinions are divided in the medical community, but it probably can’t hurt.
The main challenge is a shortage of donors caused by the irrational fear behind the idea of harvesting organs from the body after death.
There is also the objections of family members who might oppose the procedure or balk at having the state require them to register.
Yet, the basic problem remains: Far too many New Yorkers die each year waiting for organs that will not come because there are too few donors.
Time is of the essence. A suitable transplant candidate must be found and quickly prepped. An operating room and surgeons must be prepared. But, if there are no suitable organs, the entire system fails.
If information that could change people’s attitudes toward organ donation were publicized, it would generate the kind of persuasion that gets results. No one wants to accept the responsibility for not helping save a life when there is still a chance.
In a sense, organ donation, despite its critical role, is an out-of-sight, out-of-mind service. When people leave it up to other people to step forward, time is wasted and precious lives are lost.
Until the number of donors in the state increases, a requirement to fill out the registry is an idea whose time has come. If New York doesn’t remedy the donor shortage problem soon, patients will continue to die waiting for an organ that could have saved their lives --71.192.xxx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 5:33 AM Message:
Unfortunately NY is a nanny state. Because of this a lot of people who don't agree with this government protection and interference with their lives balk at anything the government tries. It is very simple to be a organ donor here. This is almost a government requirement that you do. Yes, you can opt out, but I bet the way to do that will be in fine print and cumbersome to do.
For years, I had my license signed to be an organ donor. I always have my driver's license on me. However, once the government made a registry for organ donor, I would not put my name on it. Not going to give that power to the government. My family knows my wishes, and if I have the power to donate one of their organs, I would certainly give permission. --96.236.xx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 5:38 AM Message:
Linda is correct about NY being a nanny state,The governor is an a$$.I will opt out simply because the government is trying to push me into it --72.231.xxx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by hollis [MA]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 5:42 AM Message:
I live about half time South of Albany.
(Kinderhook)
I think the point is about redundant safeguards, which I understand has been accepted by many that worried about how it might be run, IE that you might however slim survive, so no taking of organs or if you are very wealthy or influential you may get an organ over others. Actually that happened rt in my neighborhood,..wife of a very rich person, an alcoholic, went to India and got a liver. She was way down the list here. Got one within weeks (I believe it was a partial transplant where hopefully the donor has enough liver to stay healthy and have it rebound,..(but maybe the donor was desperate for money or the family forced or influenced them to do it.) The daughter of a hospital chief can't be moved up etc,.
Again, it has to be done correctly with lots of checks and balances.
Also as I understand you can just put a checkmark to opt out of being involved. --71.192.xxx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by Mickie [OH]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 1:41 PM Message:
Ken, I agree. That kind of law is smarmy. No goverment has the right to lay claim to someone's bits and parts. I'm listed as an organ donor on my license but if I lived in a state that liked to play body snatcher games I think I'd opt out on principle alone. Makes me think I need to check out my own state and see if they're going down that road and if so take appropriate action. --71.213.xx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 1:45 PM Message:
There are some stories about letting someone suffer instead of pulling the plug just to get their organs in better condition. I think the D party is going to lose bigtime in NY. Sorry for your loss. No one would want my organs since I had and may still have, cancer. --73.33.xxx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 3:05 PM Message:
Aren't cells unusable within, like, 5 minutes after death? If you're going by the traditional definition of what makes dead dead. For example, if you want to transplant a heart, a heart that's been dead-dead can't start beating again. So if you have a heart for transplant that can actually function--- the person who it came from was alive in the traditional sense up until their heart was harvested.
So that's where the whole concept of being brain-dead came about-- to try and redefine what "dead" means so that people could feel ethical about harvesting organs.
I had opted into organ donation on my DL when I was in my early 20's. If I was dead, and I didn't need them anymore, it was a nice and thoughtful gesture to pass them along, right? But once I read a little more on the subject, I realized that perhaps I wasn't as 100% behind it as I thought I was. --96.46.xxx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Mark [NY]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 3:07 PM Message:
I'm not willing to take myself out of a system because of some principle of the fact I don't like the government and potentially let someone die or not have sight etc. I'll Protest in other ways but not this one. If someone really has a problem with this Religious etc then by a check mark they can opt out if they are not too lazy.
There are so many more ways much more important the government interferes with me esp as a LL that I might take issue with.
I don't care what they do this shell I'm carrying around,..its not ME after I die,..grind me up for dogfood,..Strip me naked tie me to a parade float,.. people need a good laugh,..
You are very welcome to my heart, liver Kidneys eyes etc. They are not mine anymore.
As far as keeping someone alive to have their organs get better,..well,..that sounds like an urban legend to me.I'd like to see real documentation to that.
Kinda like that story about someone getting drunk/drugged and waking up in a hotel with a kidney "harvested" from them. Only no one can find it has really happened BTW I heard this a half doz times that this happened to a friend of a friend of theirs,..
--71.192.xxx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 4:30 PM Message:
Maybe if the government didnt interfer so much into Stem cell research, they would be able to grow replacement organs in test tubes by now. --174.216.xx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 6:16 PM Message:
Adult stem cells are awesomesauce. They're being applied every day in all kinds of practical therapies. The number of different applications was in the 70's the last time I paid attention... I don't know if more applications have been found. www.stemcellresearchfacts.org/treatment-list/ is one list.
Embryonic stem cells are way too... volatile? to be easily controlled. I don't think they've come up with anything useful at all. I think I heard one doctor explain it sort of as it's sort of like bringing in a handyguy to paint your living room... but he goes crazy and does a thousand other things (instead of?) (in addition to?) painting your living room, and he doesn't necessarily do it the way you want. But people keep throwing money at it, because... you know. --96.46.xxx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Livethedream [AZ]) Posted on: Oct 21, 2017 11:16 PM Message:
Oh, when I saw the title I thought some poor hapless landlord got stuck with an abandoned organ on the third floor. ;)
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OT: Organ donation (by Sparky [PA]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2017 3:08 AM Message:
I do not believe the government is some benevolent organization with the citizenry’s best interests in mind. I believe that giving any governing body authority to put its subjects on involuntary organ donation lists is rife with problems. While the masses may embrace this notion as being well-intended, my concern would be that once government is involved, it will become a grossly corrupt program. I see the promise of redundant safeguards to make sure it’s done right to assuage people’s fears as nothing but a false promise from government officials like “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” to garner support.
The organ business has the potential to be a massively profitable enterprise. Government-controlled mandatory organ donation presents a slippery-slope which would be postured to turn into something like the abominable human organ harvesting and trafficking practices in China with "Political Prisoners" Killed On a “Just in Time” Basis. --100.6.xxx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Mark [NY]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2017 5:02 PM Message:
Maybe someone that doesn't participate in the program for at least 5 years shouldn't ever be on a list to get an organ transplant in the future (?) Some exceptions depending on age, health etc. That seems fair?
Maybe immediate family members might get a break on the expensive co pay for everyone in that immediate family that is enrolled (?) I believe they already do that with blood donations.
--71.192.xxx.xxx |
OT: Organ donation (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Oct 22, 2017 7:37 PM Message:
To Miss Ally: As a neuro-intensive care nurse, I took care of many solid organ donors. They were brain dead -- usually from massive head trauma. (Auto crashes without seatbelts was the usual source of injury.) No one was "kept alive" and the donor was beyond suffering -- the donor was dead but the heart was allowed to keep pumping, lungs ventilated on ventilators to keep the liver, kidneys, pancreas, heart and lungs alive long enough for suitable recipients to be found. Not only is HLA tissue typing required, but the size of the organ must also be matched to an appropriate recipient. This usually took 2-3 days of round the clock testing of the donor and intense phone calling by the organ procurement staff. We had some donors who saved the lives of up to 7 people. The donors families, although grief stricken to lose their loved ones, were often comforted by the fact that their loved ones saved others.
Don't want to be an organ donor? Then WEAR YOUR SEAT BELTS and HAVE AIR BAGS! --98.146.xxx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 23, 2017 1:56 PM Message:
I am organ donor - marked on my DL. Stats I saw show that only 14% of opt in do so. better to have opt out. Do your part & sign up. what difference does it make to you when you die. It can make a big difference to someone waiting. regardless. So be happy you can help someone live after you die. you live on through the person you saved. --24.178.xxx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Sue [MI]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 1:52 PM Message:
Someday it is predicted that I will need a Liver Transplant. Chose to donate. --70.194.xx.xx |
OT: Organ donation (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 24, 2017 5:02 PM Message:
sue. I hope you chose to donate not bc perhaps you might need donation but bc you could help someone who will. --97.94.xxx.xx |
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