Domiciliary Care (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 18, 2017 12:17 PM
Domiciliary Care (by S i d [MO]) Oct 18, 2017 12:32 PM
Domiciliary Care (by Robin [WI]) Oct 18, 2017 1:10 PM
Domiciliary Care (by WMH [NC]) Oct 18, 2017 1:22 PM
Domiciliary Care (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Oct 18, 2017 2:38 PM
Domiciliary Care (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 18, 2017 2:45 PM
Domiciliary Care (by DJ [VA]) Oct 18, 2017 4:48 PM
Domiciliary Care (by Ken [NY]) Oct 18, 2017 5:54 PM
Domiciliary Care (by Lynda [TX]) Oct 18, 2017 10:06 PM
Domiciliary Care (by James [TX]) Oct 19, 2017 10:56 AM
Domiciliary Care (by WMH [NC]) Oct 19, 2017 11:13 AM
Domiciliary Care (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 19, 2017 6:05 PM
Domiciliary Care (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 12:17 PM Message:
Got a call from a prospect who is employed with a company that places people with autism and other disabilities in homes. It's called Domiciliary Care and it's like a foster home set up for adults. The prospect's job is to provide assistance to the individuals who are placed in the home. I'm not sure how the employer is funded. It might be funded from insurance companies who find home placement cheaper than other placements. The prospect gets paid $ 2500 a month and she's coming to see the apartment tomorrow. I did a web search and the company she works for is legit. I'm guessing that the employer will do an inspection like Section 8.
Thoughts about this?
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Domiciliary Care (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 12:32 PM Message:
Not a normal scenario for certain. I would consider this a stretch...maybe beyond my comfort zone. Proceeds with 3x due diligence and question EVERYTHING they tell you.
I try to be fair to myself as well as others. People with autism have many advocates. I have only me. Autism is a legitimate concern; my 2nd oldest niece is diagnosed as high-functioning and doesn't have too many issues. Lower functioning can have violent swings that may result in significant harm to the caregiver and damage to property. Taking that into account is wisdom, not heartlessness.
A new strategy I've tried with these "thorny moral issues" is this: When I started this business, did I SET OUT to rent to people with greater than average challenges? What was my GOAL? Why am I doing this?
I know multi-millionaires with 1,000+ properties who will only rent houses to you if you make $150,000 or more per year. Why doesn't anyone ask THEM to rent to folks with challenges? Those folks are far richer than me and could absorb the financial hit better if something goes wrong.
Approaching with this mindset helps with a lot of things. Most people I find who try to shame you into doing something aren't willing to do it themselves. There's your sign... --173.19.xx.xxx |
Domiciliary Care (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 1:10 PM Message:
I'm a little confused. Is the prospect looking for an apartment to rent and you're not convinced about their source of income? Or are they looking for an apartment in which to care for the disabled individuals?
If they're looking for an apartment for themselves, great. Verify employment and proceed as usual.
If they're looking for housing for people in their charge, be careful. You can make good money renting your property to be used as a "group home," but realize that they're going to be very, very hard on the property. When adults have temper tantrums they're big enough to do real damage. You should certainly charge more than your standard rent, require a LARGE security deposit, and make sure your lease spells out their responsibilities with regard to repairs very clearly. --204.210.xxx.xxx |
Domiciliary Care (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 1:22 PM Message:
It's the wave of the future. Group living...for persons who need care, for young Millennials who want to do "co-living," for Seniors. It's just another version of owning and renting homes to people. --173.22.xx.xx |
Domiciliary Care (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 2:38 PM Message:
My adult son with special needs was in a staffed group home. The home was rented by a company that rented bedrooms to disabled adults. The company was paid by the state. Residents are moderately to severely disabled. Make sure that 1) your tenant is the company, not the disabled person 2) the group home is staffed for safety, 3) repairs are done by the company and damages are repaired as they occur.
I would ask if the individual with autism is noisy. They can be very noisy if they have tantrums and might disturb other tenants. --98.146.xxx.xx |
Domiciliary Care (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 2:45 PM Message:
This is her job to take care of these folks and per the website, they can place from 1 to 3 individuals with a caregiver. So the incentive would be to take in more. Also, you never know when a tenant changes jobs and starts doing this and it occurs to me that a tenant could just start doing this and bring unauthorized folks in that way. Sid, you raise a good point and the only way I'd do something like this is if it would be profitable. This strikes me like foster care. I'm sure the prospect has her groceries paid for as well. --172.56.xx.xx |
Domiciliary Care (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 4:48 PM Message:
Very interesting.
My eldest daughter has high-functioning autism and wants to have her own place one day - but is limited by her income, even though she works 2 jobs. (one day I'll help her find a nice little place to buy). I would love to fill my entire rooming house with people like her. She is dependable and OCD about always following the rules.
BUT you do need to know more about how a person's disability affects their life skills - as already mentioned. BUT you can't ask about a person's disability legally. Although, I suppose if they OFFERED the information that would be fine. Like if you could effectively drop the right hints to elicit information so you can make an informed decision. Tricky.
I do think it's good to have supervised housing when needed. There is a real need for people with disabilities to be as independent as possible and have safe housing. If you get ones who just need help managing their money, maybe have a lower IQ, they can be some of the best neighbors. Personally, it has long been a goal of mine to get to where I can provide truly accessible to people with disabilities - customized for their needs. There is a real shortage.
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Domiciliary Care (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 5:54 PM Message:
Sid,I learned that when someone tries to shame me into something like leaving a tenant in place despite no rent to say to them that I am not in a position to do that but if you would like to pay there rent I would be glad to let them stay,all of a sudden they don't have much to say about the subject anymore --72.231.xxx.xxx |
Domiciliary Care (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2017 10:06 PM Message:
*I* wouldn't do it. I want as near 'normal' as I can get. If possible I want no drama, no stress, no medical conditions, no insurance problems, no hardship. You will always have some, because renters tend to have lives that entail much of the above. But I will strive for as little as possible. And for me, that is to not invite in tenants that come with built in issues. There are enough issues that come with tenants that you know nothing about--till they become a problem. Why take on known problems if you don't have to. It doesn't fit into my business plan.
I mean, you wouldn't want someone running a childcare business in your property. An adult care is practically the same thing. --108.87.xx.xxx |
Domiciliary Care (by James [TX]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2017 10:56 AM Message:
I've been running a group home for autistic young men now for almost a year. We started it for a place for my stepson who requires 24/7 care but physically has no issues. My wife was hesitant at first but when I pointed out that he WILL outlive us and we needed a contingency plan we moved ahead. As has been pointed out there is a huge need. The state run homes have a waiting list of years and the private ones are insanely expensive, for something you would feel comfortable with. So far it's been a very positive experience. I do believe my wife is enjoying her new found "freedom". Would I do it just to do It? Probably not but clearly it appears there are those who are making money. --97.99.xxx.xxx |
Domiciliary Care (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2017 11:13 AM Message:
As for asking about disabilities, etc: I have a space on my application where I ask "Is there anything else you would like for us to know about you?" And a free-form question like that often gets an informative answer that is can not be asked directly. Not necessarily about disabilities, but about the prospect's life in general. --173.22.xx.xx |
Domiciliary Care (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 19, 2017 6:05 PM Message:
If you are interested in doing ut, check with your insurance agent. Very possibly you regular rental insurance won't cover a group home.
Residents are not going to be high functioning. They are going to be people who need 24 hour monitoring. --174.216.xx.xx |
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