Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Oct 7, 2017 3:07 AM|
Slow paying tenants (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 7, 2017 5:07 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Oct 7, 2017 5:16 AM
Slow paying tenants (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 7, 2017 5:22 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Oct 7, 2017 5:28 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 7, 2017 5:51 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Tony [NJ]) Oct 7, 2017 6:05 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 7, 2017 6:24 AM
Slow paying tenants (by cjl [NY]) Oct 7, 2017 6:29 AM
Slow paying tenants (by razorback_tim [AR]) Oct 7, 2017 6:31 AM
Slow paying tenants (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 7, 2017 7:22 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Oct 7, 2017 10:43 AM
Slow paying tenants (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 7, 2017 10:50 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 7, 2017 12:30 PM
Slow paying tenants (by Vee [OH]) Oct 7, 2017 1:23 PM
Slow paying tenants (by cjl [NY]) Oct 7, 2017 7:07 PM
Slow paying tenants (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 7, 2017 10:33 PM
Slow paying tenants (by Blue [IL]) Oct 7, 2017 10:44 PM
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Oct 8, 2017 3:44 AM
Slow paying tenants (by S i d [MO]) Oct 9, 2017 8:59 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Chris [CT]) Oct 9, 2017 5:01 PM
Slow paying tenants (by Mickie [OH]) Oct 10, 2017 4:14 AM
Slow paying tenants (by bet [MA]) Oct 13, 2017 5:49 AM
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 3:07 AM
How do you deal with slow paying tenants each month?
I know everyone here has at least one tenant that just can't seem to pay by the due date. And when they eventually pay, they usually stiff you on the late fees. It is irritating.
Today, I am posting two P/Q notices on my slow paying tenants. It seems the only thing that motivates them to pay rent at all is my P/Q notice (here P/Q's notices are 7 + 1 day) before eviction papers can be filed. The tenant that I am evicting right now has received a total of 15 P/Q notices over a 2-year time period.
Again, how do you deal with your slow payers?
Slow paying tenants (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 5:07 AM
Fortunately here in PA, the notice period can be waived so I can take them to court the day after it's late. I give some slack to a tenant who has paid on time and has been with me a bit (slack is five days), but no slack if you're late and have a short tenure. Have a situation now where one tenant is late but has otherwise been on time, but was late this month and paid the rent and the late fee. I have a joker who moved in in August who's been 2-3 days late since then and tried to short pay me some repairs that I'm owed and we have a court date next week. If he pays and gets to stay, however I've warned him that the day he's late, I'm going to file on him. If he lasts, he's gone when his lease is up. Late fees are only a profit center when paid and the tenant isn't jerking you. --207.172.xx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 5:16 AM
What does it cost you to file papers in your county? Here after the P/Q expires (7+1 day), it cost $249.00 to file eviction papers. It is what it is. --68.63.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 5:22 AM
It depends on the claim size I believe. I just paid $ 148 to file against a claim of $275 of back rent. --207.172.xx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 5:28 AM
If my state did not require a P/Q notice, I could practice true Zero Tolerance which means I could drop the hammer the day after they were late. --68.63.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 5:51 AM
I paid $151.25 yesterday ... it's based on number of people and dollar amount of your claim.
Ten days after the hearing, we pay another $100 or so if you need the constable to put them out. --72.95.xx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 6:05 AM
Some tenants are simply programmed to not want to pay. They won't answer the door or phone. Part of my process is to serve a carefully composed collection letter (text below). At the risk of sounding bragadoscious (sp?) this letter gets a better than 90% response regarding getting a call back. If they want extra time - say the 15th - I ask them to quickly get a check to me - dated today - and I will deposit it on the 15th. In NJ and PA, a dishonored postdated check is considered a promissory note and not a "bad check". If I don't get a response, I figure this is when they plan on getting their "free month" and I immediately file for eviction. If any of you use this tactic I'd like to hear of your experiences. Good luck.
September 8, 2017
my address & phone numbers
re: past due rent
Your rent was due on September 1 and has not been received yet.
I sent you courtesy reminder text yesterday but you did not respond.
It's important that you contact me regarding this not later than 1:00 PM on Monday, September 11, 2017.
If you reach my voicemail when you call, please leave a detailed message with 2 ranges of times (example: 8:00 AM thru 11:30 AM or 7:00 PM thru 9:00 PM) when I can reach you by phone WITH YOUR PHONE TURNED ON so I can speak to with directly.
This letter was hand delivered and posted on your door on September 8, 2017.
Very truly yours,
Slow paying tenants (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 6:24 AM
In NH if you post/serve the demand for rent and eviction notice 4 times in a 12 month period the eviction will go through the 4th time (if you want it to and you have done things correctly). The fourth time they can not simply pay to cure within the allotted time on the demand for rent notice and avoid eviction. I don't suppose AL has something similar you could use to explain they are on thin ice and better put your payment at the top of the list. Are they on a payday plan. When I heard Jeffrey speak the other week, that plan switch many of his late payers to ontime payers. --166.137.xxx.xx
Slow paying tenants (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 6:29 AM
Wifey and I were just talking about one of our rentals as we were "driving by the area" on our way to vacation yesterday. I said "glad we have good, solid tenants now and I no longer have to BEG for our rent from so and so".
She said "yeah, I wonder if he's paying where he is now".
I eventually did get him to pay everything (including the late fees). Took him to court TWICE and even "worked" with him (don't go there with me) for the better of 3 years. In December of 2016 I finally had it and told him to pay up or get out - I'm done". He got out.
I spent about a month or so cleaning out, cleaning, painting, refinishing floors, running new electric and gas lines (just getting things "right") and really getting the place looking great.
I now have a nice couple in there that pay ON-TIME and usually early/before the 1st. I actually received the rent by the middle of the prior month due a few times.
I "upped" the rent and I took my time getting the right tenants in there.
I only get my checks in the mail from the tenants at this property now. Once in a while I get a text from them asking if I have other places available in town as their "brother/sister/friend, etc" are looking or if something may need fixing (which is rare). The same goes for the other tenants in the building - all on or before the 1st, no issues with rent AT ALL.
Making $70 per month MORE than I was this time last year ($840 annually) just at this one property. All on time/before time with no drama. Life is good.
So long story long Roy: Sometimes it's ok to "work" with them as long as they are doing what they say they are going to do. There is a charge for it though - they MUST pay the late fee. That was the one thing I stuck to with that one tenant "OK but there will be a fee for this that you MUST pay". I had to also build a quick little spreadsheet so I knew what was owed and what he paid because he paid throughout the month portions of what he owed. Promised me everything and delivered on mostly none of what he said. I finally said "I can't do this anymore". I set myself free.
Slow paying tenants (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 6:31 AM
If someone is a habitual slow-payer, I non-renew them if they are on a lease or get rid of them via a 30-day if they are MTM.
That being said, all of my new tenants are required to pay via bank draft on their due date, so I don't have any slow payers out of those.
The best way to deal with slow payers is to not rent to them to begin with. --70.178.x.xx
Slow paying tenants (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 7:22 AM
I adjust my finances to deal with it and keep the tenant. It's more money and less downtime for the unit. Remember that the liberals just sent a lot of good paying jobs overseas with their regulations. We have to cope with that. Eight years can't be fixed in eight months. --73.33.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 10:43 AM
The tenants I am referring to paid rent on the due date for the first 12 months of their lease which means they are capable of paying on the due date. It is during the 2nd year in which they are now paying late each month. This is what I do not understand.
When they stiff me on late fees, this is what motivates me to give them a rent increase. --68.63.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 10:50 AM
Roy, I'd hit them with a rent increase so it's worth your while --207.172.xx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 12:30 PM
Just got a slow payer of mine to sign up for weekly rent via Payday Plan.
We'll see how it goes. --107.182.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 1:23 PM
Oh the -work with me- bulloney, I have to guess more than half the time when this spurts out they have nowhere to work and just need to beg - borrow - and steal from the manager, and some allow this to happen, look at the manager and ask WHY?. --76.188.xxx.xx
Slow paying tenants (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 7:07 PM
Roy did you ask them why they are late or did they "offer up" a reason? How long has it been happening (that they are paying late - and how late are they)?
The "how late are they" question is that some that I've found feel that if they are "only" a few days late AFTER the late fee is due - think it should be no problem.
Slow paying tenants (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 10:33 PM
We get what we allow.
My business turned a corner when I realized there are no slow to pay res , only slow to act LLs.
ZT works. We send a 3 day text and they pay. In Oct we sent 3 texts, down from our 27 average before ZT. One replied he had moved out (skipped). Better to know that now rather than on the 10th! 2 said "Sorry" and paid. Done.
Late fees are not optional or up to "choice".
Send the 3 day text AND mail the 7 day letter on the second.
Test me on this. Almost all will pay within the 3 days,with late fees.
Slow paying tenants (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2017 10:44 PM
I had once at the drove me crazy. Let pay the late fee every month, but I got to be annoying serving the five day all the time. Problem was, they learn to build in the late fee which was only $25 into their budget.
So I modify the lease to read it was a $50 late fee work plus $10 a day. Suddenly it was no longer in their budget to pay late.
I explained to them at move-in, if the rent is paid after the third, there needs to be the $50 late fee with it. Period.
I haven't not had anyone NOT pay a late fee in years and years. If they're late, they pay the fee.
I have on more than one occasion have the "come to Jesus" speach with a couple of them. Start paying on time or find another place to live.
Do you still like those class Cs?
Slow paying tenants (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 8, 2017 3:44 AM
Blue said "Do you still like those class Cs?"
I have no choice here,...80% of my town is blue collar/working class which means 80% of my tenant pool is Class C's. It is either love it or leave this town for another tenant pool.
The good news is only 2 out 14 tenants is my monthly problem here. I have 12 tenants trained to do what I want them to do,...it is just 2 problem cases I have deal with each month. And these two tenants do pay,..just late each month. I wish I could take these 2 tenants to the woodshed and give them a good spanking. --68.63.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2017 8:59 AM
Roy, 12 out of 14 on time is pretty good! 14% late payers is not unusual in the Class C hood. I think you're doing a good job by keeping on top of them. If you get too sick of it...then non-renew or evict.
We all have various versions of ZT, and mine is late on the 2nd, $5 per day fee, and I file once we get over 7 days "in the hole". So if rent is $500/month, once they're behind $117 I file. I don't include the late fees on that calculation. I do it this way because if folks want me to wait to file, I tell them I need at least $X or I have no choice. I never want anyone more than 1 week behind.
Even with that, I have a few late payers who tip-toe up to the edge almost every month. One tenant has paid me over 1 month's additional rent in late fees alone during her 2.5 years with me.
There's a whole business sub-category that caters to these folks: Pay Day lenders, "Buy Here Pay Here" car dealers, Rent-a-Center, Title Pawn. I hear some folks say these should be illegal, but we can't making stupid illegal. If you closed down all these shops these folks would not suddenly start paying on time. The demand for poor financial planners pre-dates the existence of these businesses. --173.19.xx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by Chris [CT]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2017 5:01 PM
Out of 24 I have one that is always late, I keep wanting to get rid of them my business partner is wishy washey about it.
I'm tired of chasing it.
Slow paying tenants (by Mickie [OH]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2017 4:14 AM
Roy, have you considered applying the layment to late fees first and then telling them how you applied it? In your state would that put you in position to start eviction? --174.233.xxx.xxx
Slow paying tenants (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2017 5:49 AM
We have payer and no payers, we dont have late payers. The no payers are served an eviction notice from the constable on the 2nd of the month. This month two of them texted they would be late. I said eviction notice go out on the 2nd, they paid on time. The only way to be a really successful landlord in my opinion is you have to be willing to get rid of a bad tenant at all costs at the 1st sign of problems. No one likes vacant apts or to rehab old ones. Tenants pay late because you let them. They would all pay late if they could, with me they cant. In MA we dont have late fees until 30 days, and we can serve on the 2nd. So I would send them a warning letter stating rent is to be paid when due and say eviction notice will be going out as your laws permit. --74.104.xxx.xx