Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 4, 2017 4:52 PM|
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by opm [OR]) Oct 4, 2017 5:14 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 4, 2017 5:35 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 4, 2017 5:56 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 4, 2017 6:34 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 4, 2017 6:39 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 4, 2017 8:26 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 4, 2017 8:28 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Oct 4, 2017 9:04 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 5, 2017 4:12 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 5, 2017 4:17 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Vee [OH]) Oct 5, 2017 4:46 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 5, 2017 5:07 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by S i d [MO]) Oct 5, 2017 5:45 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 5, 2017 6:23 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Oct 5, 2017 8:29 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 5, 2017 9:03 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 5, 2017 12:49 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 5, 2017 1:03 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 5, 2017 1:29 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 5, 2017 1:58 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Oct 5, 2017 3:11 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by bet [MA]) Oct 6, 2017 6:06 AM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 4:52 PM
No, the bed bugs do not have a valid lease... they are squatting.
I'm battling the devil bugs. The apartment that brought them in is coming to the end of their lease Nov. 30th 2017. They have paid on time every month so far this past year, so other than bringing in a huge pest problem, have otherwise been good tenants.
Should I send them a non-renewal notice the end of this month? I'm getting the impression the bugs will be easier to deal with during a vacancy, am I mistaken?
Looking for any advice, but particularly for those who have had this problem.
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by opm [OR]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 5:14 PM
yes a empty home is much better for treatments
BED BUGS & FLEAS: CDC. C
The following is from the CDC (Center for Disease Control) FAQ:
*Bed bugs feed on warm blooded mammals, and so would typically not be in empty homes. They are always in groups not singularly.
*They are typically brought to the property in furniture or clothing and pets and thus maybe the responsibility of the tenant for cause.
* Bed bugs do move, but do not travel, like mice or roaches.
These pests attach to something or someone.
*They hide during the day in dark places such as on bodies, seams of mattresses, box springs, bed frames, behind headboards, dresser tables,
inside cracks or crevices, behind wallpaper, or any other clutter or objects around a bed.
They arrive in packages, suitcases, freight, furniture, or items from overseas as well as other methods such as on pets or people.
Bed bugs are not be considered as a medical or public health hazard.
Bed bugs are not known to spread disease.
Bed bugs (cimex lectularius) are small, flat, parasitic insects that feed on the blood of people and animals while they sleep.
Bed bug infestations usually occur around or near the areas where people sleep.
Signs of them may take up to 14 days, to be revealed, and may have come from some other location as noted.
As with repairs or pests: While the Landlord has a duty to repair or treat in some cases, the cost of that may be charged to the tenant if the Landlord or a professional service, determines that some or all of the cause of the repair/treatment was the tenants’ actions or inaction, that allowed or encouraged or tenants brought the pest to the property, import shops, used furniture/beds, cloths, etc.
Stay or leave:
There are over the counter remedies for bed bugs. For events that are infrequent or small, try these first.
This entails preparation of the tenant’s possessions, packing and perhaps moving them out.
The tenant, as they are in exclusive possession of the property, and their personal items, must do the preparation or removal, required for extermination to start, as MAY BE directed by the service, licensed for pest control.
Or the tenants or Landlord can give notice to move.
Bed bug preparation for extermination:
Should it become necessary for the Landlord to do extermination, regardless of cause, this may include but not limited to:
Tenants, cleaning, vacuuming, their home, and boxing/bagging of items, and or removing tenant/s items from the property, and follow protocol for extermination or given notice directing actions, this is done to have a successful extermination.
The best method of eradication may include the property being empty. Should this become the chosen method, the tenant and Landlord may come to an agreement on a ‘last day of possession’ without the minimum being 30 days. The rents would stop when the tenant has returned possession to the owner.
After extermination: If agreed between the parties, the rents may resume when the process is done and the home is ready for occupancy.
* Note for any procedure or method for pests, these methods may change with time.
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 5:35 PM
...warm blooded mammals, and so would typically not be in empty homes. ..
it's good they said "typically" because they absolutely are in empty homes ... they'll stay for I believe 18 months waiting for someone to appear. first time I ever saw them was in an empty building and they were "swarming" out of the woodwork when they smelled/sensed/whatever it is they do my son painting. this was a building that had been empty well over a year at the time. I have learned A LOT since then. --72.95.xx.xxx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 5:56 PM
Nicole would you suggest it is better to have people living there? Or could treating an empty unit be okay (bugs won't hide from treatment?).
I'm hoping by the end of November this is solved in any regard. Next Tuesday the pest company is sending a "supervisor" out to look at things.
Any suggestions from your experience? --173.254.xxx.xxx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 6:34 PM
It can be easier to treat empty, but the success of any treatment with people in the unit is if they are doing all the prep correctly. If they don't, the bugs won't go away. Also, was it a fluke they brought them in or are they coming from a location they regularly visit and will continue to bring them back. --24.61.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 6:39 PM
I "believe" they brought in an infested chair which has since been removed (about 1.5 months ago). The problem persists.
However, I cannot be sure they aren't continually reintroducing bugs. --173.254.xxx.xxx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 8:26 PM
My research shows BBs can survive up to 400 days without food (blood meal).
If they stay you have a BBs problem.
If they leave you still have the same BB problem.
Yes it's easier to treat without clutter but all that stuff can be cleaned and treated by the res with your guidance.
Just read yesterday that scientists has proven BBs are attracted to dirty laundry probably by the human scent on the clothes, so clothes on the floor attract BBs AND give them a place to hide.
I suggest putting eyes on, a thorough search with lots of questions. This might help you gather more info for your decision.
My bug guys tells how he had to re-treat a certain home several times. Only thru asking lots of questions about habits and travel did he finally figure out the children were spending weekends at Dad's house, bringing fresh critters back each Sunday night. A quick check of Dad's place showed a severe infestation.
I find that most people are terrified of BBs so are very cooperative about treatment and (possibly) checking items brought inside. Are your folks afraid of BBs or not bothered by them?
Lots a great education online. BBs are very predictable. Get some pro chemicals and dust in there, and caulk the daylights out of the baseboard, etc so the critters are limited to the res' furniture and clothing.
We pre-treat at every turnover and educate at lease signing. Seems to have helped so far. (tip: dust the switch and outlet boxes then add the thin foam insulation draft reducers when you re-install the wallplates.)
I wonder if local financial aide agencies would help a renter pay for treatment.
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 8:28 PM
be very careful to not bring them home like a fellow LL did locally.
I also plan to try a salamander or two and fans to heat the next outbreak.
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2017 9:04 PM
I would suggest you talk to the PC company that will treating the property. They will be able to advise you as to whether or not it needs to be vacant. They may even have an option where they will do the pre-treatment of the tenants belongings.
We always do PC treatment when tenants leave and have a bed bug exam done. Thankfully, we've never had them but since our maintenance addendum states tenants are responsible for all PC and beg bugs we need to prove the property is clear of bugs before they take possession.
Last year we were scheduled to spend along weekend in NYC to see some shows. We had a reservation at the Waldorf. The morning before we were to leave I was reading the NYT and the headline was about a bed bug infestation at the Waldorf and several other hotels. After cancelling our reservation we found the only hotels with available rooms were the other hotels that were also infested. We sold our tickets on Stubhub. Two weeks later the Waldorf announced it was closing for 2 years for renovations. Coincidence?? --75.181.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 4:12 AM
Brad what is your strategy for not bringing them home? If I am dealing with a bed bug situation, I keep a 5 gallon bucket in my truck, spray my shoes with running alcohol and drop them in the bucket and put on clean shoes for the ride home. Get home launder clothes and shower. --24.61.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 4:17 AM
Have you been treating for 1.5 months? Did your pest company come recommended by landlords who have successfully used them. --24.61.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 4:46 AM
Bugs and especially bedbugs requires a lot of tenant interaction, I have a letter they can sign if they do not want to participate in the requirements of pest control, next rent cycle I refuse rent and evict, the court has a hard time hiding the smirks and laughter when this letter comes forward. So getting tenant participation is not easy but you can ditch carpet everywhere along the way - bugs love cozy little nests and can even co-habitate with other bugs in the same room, lots and lots of DE will get you started then a growth control hormone squirted into all the trims strips, stick traps inside cabinet doors or under furniture helps grab them allowing you to identify them also, sloppy housekeeping is one easy way to get and keep bugs - when I come into a tenants place with dirty dishes stacked up I advise them I can spray here but you will have to throw away everything on the countertop to prevent taking in the poison - better if you cleanup and put away the dishes, I can come in tmrw and it will be dry before you come home from school or work, sometimes they never call back which means major league deduction from security deposit after moveout. --76.188.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 5:07 AM
Brad - The tenants seem to be wanting the bugs to be gone. I'm not sure if that translates into full cooperation or not. I think your caulking suggestion is something I can do to mitigate the problem.
Still Learning - The PC has been treating about 1.5 months. They state with the chemical treatments the procedure is that they only come to treat once every 10-14 days. So the unit has been treated ~4 times with chemicals/dust.
The 10th is when the next inspection/treatment happens with the supervisor, who has never been there, so hopefully I get a better assessment. --173.254.xxx.xxx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 5:45 AM
My strategy for not bringing the bugs home is to call my exterminator. Local guy, uses a combination of chemical treatment and dust. Cimexa Dust, Excite R, Permethrin SFR, and ULD BP-100 are his "cocktail" for slaughtering the nasties.
Not the cheapest method ($425), but effective and no crawlies in my shoes/car/house. --173.19.xx.xxx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 6:23 AM
That sounds like the same strategy my PC uses. I don't know exactly what chemicals they spray, but the spray the chemicals and use the cimexa dust.
How long does it take for a problem to be identified to resolved? Do you treat with residents in the units and have success? or move them out? --173.254.xxx.xxx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 8:29 AM
We travel a lot and I am always concerned about bringing them back with me. I found the following on Google about 2 years ago and asked my PC company and they confirmed this is the best way to make sure none have hitched a ride back to our home. The suitcases never enter the house and all clothing is thrown in the dryer at the highest heat possible to kill of any critters. We have never worn shoes in the house so no problem there.
"Heat penetrates into small crevices that cannot be inspected. Lethal temperatures for bed bugs range from 117 degrees Fahrenheit to 122 F. The walls of hot boxes reach a higher temperature than the suggested lethal range in order to permeate belongings placed within, killing all bed bugs in all their stages." --75.181.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 9:03 AM
It has been treated 4 times and you still have a very active situation? What have your tenants done to prepare for the treatments? Here are some of the things our tenants must do:
Please remember that the success of this service depends on your cooperation. A clutter free environment gets the best results. Please make sure that if you remove anything from your unit (even to throw away) it should be wrapped or sealed in some way. Failure to cooperate with these instructions will be reported to the landlord. The items below are the responsibility of the tenant.
Remove, wash and dry all bed linens and pillows using the hottest cycle possible and place in sealed plastic bags.
Wash and Dry all dirty clothes using the hottest cycle possible and place in sealed plastic bags.
Run all clean clothes/linens in a dresser through the dryer on the hottest cycle possible and put into plastic tubs or sealed bags.
Non-washable items in dressers or nightstands can be washed down and then put in sealed bags or plastic tubs. Wash down using a spray bottle filled with:
70% rubbing alcohol
All items must be removed from dressers and nightstands.
On (date and time) an inspection will occur by (name of pest company). Further instructions and/or additional action items necessary prior to treatment on (date) will be left for you.
Any cloth coverings on the bottom of ALL furniture needing treatment will be taken off and discarded.
Mattress and box springs will need to be encapsulated with a Bed Bug Proof mattress encasement AFTER the treatment. Please purchase ahead of time so you will be prepared.
Treatment and eradication of bed bugs although different from lice is similar in that the occupant who follows pre-treatment instructions should be able to get rid of the bugs and quicker. Many tenants do not want to go through the incredible time intensive prep. In those cases, we treat once or twice, let them leave and then treat the vacant unit. We have only dealt with this twice, but if we had a 4th treatment, it was because it was more of an "insurance policy" because we had either cleaned or renovated and wanted to make sure there was still residual chemicals.
In NH, we have a law that spells out what landlords must do and in what timeframes, but under certain circumstances it also allows us to charge the tenants and/or evict for non-cooperation of treatment preparation providing we followed the correct timelines and requirements.
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 12:49 PM
Is your bug guy charging your for each treatment or is it part of a package deal?
Caulk AFTER they are gone. If you seal them in the wall they will reappear in another room.
Sounds crazy but this also works with fleas: garbage bag over each foot and leg up to the knee, secured with a bunch of grey tape. Spray it with bug spray. OFF does not repel fleas.
Turn the bag inside out as you peel it off, seal shut.
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 1:03 PM
No charge for these treatments. I pay $265 per quarter for "preventive treatments" and if at any time there is an issue they come back unlimited times for free for any/all re-treatments.
However, if I/they decide to go the heat treatment route, there would be a charge for that service. I believe it is ~$1,000 for a 1-bedroom apartment, but I'm not certain on the price. --162.243.xx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 1:29 PM
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 1:58 PM
You are paying $1000 a year on preventative on a 1 bedroom? When they are treating, do they take all the outlet covers off and put chemicals inside? --24.61.xxx.xx
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by Kurt [MI]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2017 3:11 PM
The treat all 6 apartments (5 1-bed, 1 2- bed) in the building for that price. And yes they take the covers off and treat on active issues. --2601:405:c100:b...
Non-renew Bed bugs? (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Oct 6, 2017 6:06 AM
So far had 2 instances of BB. After tenant mild cooperation they called BOH and I had the pest guy state the tenants were non compliant , that took care of that situation and I evicted them anyway cause they were PITA. Yes there were clothes all over the teenage kid room.
2nd situation, shame on us when we didn't get rid of the tenants the second we saw the BB on their moving in furniture. They are the filthiest people we have ever evicted and we are still treating the empty apt. My suggestion now is to home inspection prior to move in anyone that appears filthy dishevel or just across the board prior home inspect.
These people didnt care that they were being eaten alive by the BB. I have to now figure out how to get the bb feces off the baseboard and ceilings, apt will be empty for weeks, pest control has been there twice and we have bombed and sprayed.