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SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Aug 12, 2017 10:39 AM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Jim in O C [CA]) Aug 12, 2017 11:45 AM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Aug 12, 2017 12:17 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Aug 12, 2017 12:37 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Aug 12, 2017 12:52 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Gail K [GA]) Aug 12, 2017 3:06 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Danny [OH]) Aug 12, 2017 3:25 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Homer [TX]) Aug 12, 2017 3:30 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by AllyM [NJ]) Aug 12, 2017 5:07 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Vee [OH]) Aug 12, 2017 5:48 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Still Learning [NH]) Aug 12, 2017 6:34 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Andrew, Canada [ON]) Aug 12, 2017 7:59 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by JR [ME]) Aug 13, 2017 4:43 AM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Aug 14, 2017 11:25 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by Wilma [PA]) Aug 15, 2017 7:17 AM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Aug 17, 2017 10:07 PM
       SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Aug 17, 2017 10:09 PM

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SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 10:39 AM
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TOO FAST OLD; TOO SLOW SMART....I had tenants living in one of my apartments that were habitual smokers for 12+ years (they were tenants before I bought the building). They were warned by the prop management company and then by me to stop smoking...long story short... they refused to stop and I kicked them out. They left in the middle of the night to parts unknown with no forwarding address.

When I got into the apartment, they left it cleaned up but it reeked of cigarette smoke...it was so bad the smell was coming through the bricks on the outside of the building. I called in a disaster cleanup crew for an estimate to clean up...the estimate of $3000+. I took on the project myself. I had people come in and scrub the walls, ceilings, concrete floors, appliances, cabinets, everything. I used professional cleaning products and painted everything with Kilz - twice. Two coats of paint. Carpets, linoleum were removed and concrete floors were cleaned. I used an ozinator in the place for days. I thought the smoke was gone.

After renovation, I rented the place out...I was in there again the other day, and the place smelled like stale smoke ... like an old bar room, and no the new tenant is NOT a smoker. Ugh. I'm thinking my only recourse is to tear out all the sheet rock and start from scratch. What do you think? Any suggestions or ideas? Do you think I could file an insurance claim, or is it too late? Ideas? Suggestions? Comments? (go ahead, I can take it). Don't ever rent to smokers...even when they say they are occasional smokers and they ONLY smoke outside...same goes for vapers..... --75.174.xxx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 11:45 AM
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Have you checked out the ducts ? --75.22.xx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 12:17 PM
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One apartment went in pressure washer to clean off most of the nicotine off the walls then painted with oil or alkyd base sealer. There are products at most of the big box stores. After the walls are sealed then removing the carpet where every other surface is primed with a sealer such as the interior doors. --74.220.xxx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 12:37 PM
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To Robert from Ontario, Can - I didn't use oil base Kilz, do you think that's part of the problem that I can't get rid of the smell? --75.174.xxx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 12:52 PM
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Latex is not a very good sealer. Often with heavy nicotine most can be cleaned off with a pressure washer then a oil or alkyd based sealer which permanently clears up nicotine. Here they do quit smoking until they drop dead or there health has deteriorated where in a matter of three to six months they die off. When I went into the apartment with a pressure washer the walls went from brown to almost the original colour. I could not believe how much nicotine ran down the walls. The doors can be taken outside then with a pressure washer most of nicotine is removed. Then paint everything with a oil or alkyd base sealer. --74.220.xxx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 3:06 PM
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My smallest house was previously owned by heavy tobacco abusers (as we call them in the medical field). When I purchased the house nicotine was running down the walls. After washing, sealing with an oil based primer helped seal any further odors in.

You can buy the "low odor" oil based primers; otherwise you need to wear a mask with the regular oil base or have VERY VERY good ventilation while working with this stuff. There are also primers used when dealing with soot after fires that will also cover very nicely.

Gail --71.203.xx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Danny [OH]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 3:25 PM
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Oil Base Killz. I once thought Chuck Norris and I were related through a cousin on a Killz 8 hour session in heat. It works.....don't let it drip. --74.128.xxx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 3:30 PM
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You have to use oil base kilz. About 3 years ago I bought a house like this. One could get lung cancer just walking in the door. I tsp every wall and ceiling, brick fireplace, csbeints, everything! Then I used at least 15 gallons of oil base kilz on everything. The smell was gone, and is still gone, I was in there the other day. Smells fine. I also cleaned the AC coil, and put kills in as much of the duct work as I could, ( fer down ducts, made out of duct board. Have your tenants complained? --75.141.xxx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 5:07 PM
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What you think as stale smoke might be a smell from all that paint. My question also, did the tenants complain or are you just noticing what you think is tobacco smell?

I have used tsp and then regular paint and that was all that was needed. I don't see how you could still have tobacco smell. --73.33.xxx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 5:48 PM
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The ozone generator needs at least a few days, run a cord to the outlet nearest the door so you can pull the plug and grab a ice drink from the corner store while it airs out a bit. Oil (shellac base) type primer is a good sealer, then a primer followed by color coat. --76.188.xxx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 6:34 PM
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Did you forget a closet or AC, behind appliances or inside cabinets? --24.61.xxx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Andrew, Canada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 7:59 PM
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Terry, I use Zinsser BIN it is a shellac based primer. The brush can be cleaned in TSP, throw out the rollers.

Wash the surfaces to be primed with tsp, then rinse. Beware the runoff contains nicotine and it can make you ill, perhaps it can actually poison you. Wear long rubber gloves and dont allow it to soak into your skin.

THE FUMES FROM THE ZINSSER BIN CAN KILL YOU if you are exposed to them for too long. You must wear a mask for vapors and make sure the area is very well ventillated. The fumes can damage smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors..... remove then before priming.

I would prime with 2 coats. The primer dries very fast 5 to 10 mins. Once it has dried, the fumes are no longer given off.

This primer is the best I have ever used. I used to use it alot more, but the fumes are an jssue and it suddenly jumped in price, its about 65 dollars a gallon in toronto. Its pricey but works when others wont. Hd carries it.

--70.30.xx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2017 4:43 AM
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Ally's point is a good one. Is the new tenant complaining about the smell, or is it only you who notice? Every home I have ever been in has its own unique smell. If the tenant isn't complaining, leave well enough alone. --98.13.xx.x




SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2017 11:25 PM
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Thank you all for your comments. Do you think it's too late to use the oil based primer over the latex primer and paint? No the current tenant has not complained about the smell. It's just me, I can still smell it every time I go in there. Maybe when he moves out I will try the oil base primer instead of the latex. --172.58.xx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2017 7:17 AM
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Another vote for oil-based Kilz. Use on sheet rock AND sub-floors. --71.175.xxx.xx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Posted on: Aug 17, 2017 10:07 PM
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Thank you for all your comments. No there is no ductwork. I installed the ductless heat and air system after the smokers moved out. I scrubbed the refrigerator inside and out in the motor and the guts of the refrigerator. Same with the stove and dishwasher. I scrubbed and primered all the kitchen cabinets and painted them. Every surface that could be cleaned and or painted I did it. I think when the current tenant moves out, I'm going to try the oil based Kilz or zinsser primer and repaint. Thanks again. Happy landlording! --172.58.xx.xxx




SMOKE RESIDUE (by TERRY [ID]) Posted on: Aug 17, 2017 10:09 PM
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Thank you for all your comments. No there is no ductwork. I installed the ductless heat and air system after the smokers moved out. I scrubbed the refrigerator inside and out and the motor and the guts of the refrigerator. Same with the stove and dishwasher. I scrubbed and primered all the kitchen cabinets and painted them. Every surface that could be cleaned and or painted I did it. I think when the current tenant moves out, I'm going to try the oil based Kilz or zinsser primer and repaint. Thanks again. Happy landlording! --172.58.xx.xxx



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