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Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 11, 2017 8:38 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Ken [NY]) Aug 11, 2017 9:00 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Aug 11, 2017 9:11 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 11, 2017 9:23 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 11, 2017 10:46 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by RB [MI]) Aug 12, 2017 4:36 AM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Lynda [TX]) Aug 12, 2017 10:31 AM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 12, 2017 1:47 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Aug 12, 2017 6:37 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 12, 2017 7:35 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Deanna [TX]) Aug 12, 2017 8:25 PM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 13, 2017 3:03 AM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by WMH [NC]) Aug 13, 2017 5:39 AM
       Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Harpazo [GA]) Aug 17, 2017 4:18 AM

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2017 8:38 PM

One of the couples in my rooming house broke up and the female moved into a vacant room on the same floor while the boyfriend stayed in the original room. I was wonder how this was going to work out and got an indication today. A tenant that stays in another room in the same suite texted me to inform me that the boyfriend broke into the girlfriend's room and thew her stuff around and now this tenant is uncomfortable with the entire situation. This tenant advised the girlfriend to let me know what happened, but she didn't, so the first I'm hearing it is from the other tenant. I'm really not trying to get drawn into this foolishness, but I'm going to terminate the boyfriend's tenancy tomorrow. The girlfriend tells me he's unemployed and that she's been paying the rent, so I had an open question if he was going to cover the rent on his own anyway, so it's best to just clear him out and rent to someone else.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2017 9:00 PM

par for the course at How the rooming house turns,just keep collecting rent and stay out of there personal issues as you are doing

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2017 9:11 PM


Good call. He's "going out for going in".

And thank you again for reminding me why I don't do this.

Curious, how did he get in? Are you using deadbolts? Knobs are easy to open.


Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2017 9:23 PM

I don't know how he got in---probably with a credit card as I don't have those metal barriers around the locks or deadbolts on these particular doors to prevent that---this was originally going to be rented as an apartment, but I switched it to rooms. Regardless, that's a huge no no in my book and that's why he's gone tomorrow. He apparently did this while she was at work and that's why the other tenant is uncomfortable. Once I throw him out, he'll no longer be allowed on the premises. If they reconcile and attempt to get back together, she's gone as well.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2017 10:46 PM

Thinking about this further. The problem is that if I can him, she's still there and he might still come around. I'm having real problems with the girlfriend not telling me he broke in and my having to find out from the other tenant. Perhaps it's best that I excise the cancer completely and can them both. That would be impartial and I'm not in a situation of taking sides one way or the other.

The tenant doesn't know how he got in and for all I know, when she moved out, she may have taken something of his which he retrieved--which he still shouldn't have done. Also, for all I know, she could have left her door open or whatever. Regardless, I have to do some brief fact finding before I administer justice. My concern about the guy is his ability to pay and that was a concern that I was going to speak with him about before this went down. So, another alternative is to "re-qualify" both of them and use that as a mechanism to resolve this. If he's not employed, he has a prepaid week he can live out and then he can go. I have another room that's vacant on another floor which will separate them. I can require that he live out his week in that room and then go. I'll know how I'm going to handle once I get there.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 4:36 AM

As the rooming house turns !

Is there an Echo in here ?

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 10:31 AM

At least life is never boring! GKarl you knew this was going to happen, and you have been prepared for it. Its still bothersome, but you know what to do and how to do it. Stand strong. You ARE the impartial judge. Do the right thing. And move forward, rerent.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 1:47 PM

Ok, here was what occurred from what I was able to determine---nothing. I suspect the girlfriend messed up her own room and texted a picture to the other tenant. The other tenant is fearful of men generally and relayed the information to me. The girlfriend has never informed me of him breaking into her room at all, but told the other tenant that he did. When I asked him about it, he said he wasn't even at home yesterday and he had no way to access the room to begin with. The girlfriend had been wanting to have him put out at the outset which I refused, so this may be her roundabout way to accomplish that objective. This is the main reason why you can't get caught up in this foolishness as you can be caught between a lot of "he said she said" where folks are in dispute over basically nothing or at least nothing that I need to be concerned about.

The suite the girlfriend and the other tenant are in is separate from the room the boyfriend is in. When they were together, I allowed them to use the kitchen and full bath in the suite, by leaving the door unlocked between their room and the suite. In light of this situation, I took the keys to the suite back from the boyfriend and instructed him to use the kitchen and the bathroom upstairs. There's a set of stairs right outside of his room where he can access the second floor kitchen and bath and his room also has a separate entrance. By just locking the door to the suite, he's separated from the girlfriend and the other tenant. He was getting heated about being lied on and I told him that this separation was more for his protection because without access to the suite, no one can manufacture anything. The girlfriend might very well be positioning him for some BS accusation while the other tenant is just fearful.

In the meantime, I have three people vying for one open vacancy. Once I select one, I'm fully occupied again.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 6:37 PM



Good to know this was not a lock failure. I DO suggest deadbolts on every door rather than knoblocks. Safer would have kept this drama from happening.

I sure hope you are making a TON of money for all the energy expended.


Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 7:35 PM

Brad--even with this hiccup, I spend almost no time at this rental. I spent about three hours there today between showings, getting the situation ironed out with the guy and getting some replacement chairs for a table in one of the kitchens. Most weeks, I spend anywhere between 30 minutes to 45 minutes picking up the rent, taking coins from the laundermat and doing a walk through inspection. In other words, I spend generally about 3-5 hours a month managing this rental. I don't consider that a lot of energy especially considering the cash flow.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2017 8:25 PM

There are little spy cams that are disguised as air fresheners, clocks, or other things. They can be motion-activated, and will take a picture. You can get different kinds-- the kind you download the SD card to a computer, or the kind that uses wireless to send that information to an app. Depending on Pennsylvania's video surveillance laws, you might consider putting in some discreet video surveillance of common areas-- hallways, kitchens, or whatever.

After taking five seconds to peek at Pennsylvania's video surveillance laws, it looks like PA has an all-party consent. So you'd just have to write it into your agreement-- "For your safety, there are security cameras on each floor, monitoring the common areas, and by living here, you agree to be videotaped," etc.

It's something you might consider. You might actually prefer something more overt, since you're dealing with an all-party consent state.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2017 3:03 AM

I'm evaluating surveillance systems now and will probably put one up next month. I was just planning to put them outside and at the entrances but not in the common areas. I had thought about putting them in the common areas, but feel that I'd be invading their privacy, so I backed off from that idea. I was unaware of the consent laws and that's a good thing to know if I decide to put them in the common areas. A camera would have resolved this issue quickly though.

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2017 5:39 AM

You quickly forget the cameras are there. I think putting it in the lease is a great idea.

We have them throughout our property and once caught our cat-feeder showing her unknown friend around our home. No big deal because it was a "look at this unique place!" kind of tour, but still...And when we were out of town we used to use them to monitor when the dog-feeder showed up by placing the cans in a certain pattern on the kitchen island and watching when they disappeared each day. --173.22.xx.xx

Room Hse-Couple Breakup (by Harpazo [GA]) Posted on: Aug 17, 2017 4:18 AM

The tenant saga continues - I'm on the edge of my set! So the females covertly tag-team the scene to implicate the unemployed ex-bf hoping to frame him so LL will remove him; yet he's innocent of their scheme, unfortunately not able to pull his way financially. Now that's a brand-new twist. I like rent income as we all do but it's too much intervention activity for me. I vote simplify sooner than later and drop drama central stuff. Until then, set the live cams so you can broadcast this drama on the LL Channel. --76.97.x.x

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