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Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 1:19 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 7, 2017 1:23 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 7, 2017 1:24 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 1:31 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by razorback_tim [AR]) Aug 7, 2017 1:41 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 1:45 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Ken [NY]) Aug 7, 2017 2:05 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 2:09 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 7, 2017 2:11 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by pmh [TX]) Aug 7, 2017 2:16 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by KF [TX]) Aug 7, 2017 2:28 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 2:32 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 2:35 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Pat [VA]) Aug 7, 2017 2:46 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 2:52 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Vee [OH]) Aug 7, 2017 3:48 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 7, 2017 4:30 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Vee [OH]) Aug 7, 2017 5:26 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by RB [MI]) Aug 7, 2017 6:22 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Nellie [ME]) Aug 7, 2017 6:30 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Barbara [VA]) Aug 8, 2017 3:26 AM
       Stolen Bikes (by gevans [SC]) Aug 8, 2017 3:31 AM
       Stolen Bikes (by WMH [NC]) Aug 8, 2017 6:20 AM
       Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Aug 8, 2017 7:02 AM
       Stolen Bikes (by Andrew, Canada [ON]) Aug 8, 2017 7:58 AM
       Stolen Bikes (by Blue [IL]) Aug 9, 2017 3:31 PM
       Stolen Bikes (by Bill [KY]) Aug 9, 2017 4:48 PM

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Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 1:19 PM
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At a new 11-unit new property I fenced in the back patio, built a bike shed, installed a bike rack, and installed a locking gate. I have repeatedly told tenants to ensure that the gate is locked behind them, and that I would end the tenancies of anyone caught leaving it unlocked.

Recently when I went over there the gate was usually unlocked. Two $1000 bikes were stolen over the weekend. I found that from two people that 2 tenants always leave the gate unlocked. I am going to kick one out of the building.

(All have renter's insurance).

The two with the stolen bikes are very upset (understandably) with the lack of consideration by the other tenants.

Two tenants have told me that a single tenant always leaves the gate unlocked. I believe them.

Another tenant told me that an occupant-girlfriend of another unit has been doing the same thing sometimes. The tenant is great, but I don't like his girlfriend. I want his girlfriend out, but that's a tough thing to tell someone. I e-mailed him today and he actually called me, concerned, and said they weren't getting along, but that he didn't want to lose his apartment.

Any thoughts with either tenant? This has been a difficult and frustrating problem, trying to provide outdoor bike storage only to have some idiots make it easy for thieves. --174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 1:23 PM
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too bad they were stolen despite the chains & locks every bicyclist uses..hopefully they had ins. --104.218.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 1:24 PM
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I'm not sure why you think you should get involved with tenants personal life. none of a LL business. --104.218.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 1:31 PM
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Wrong, Pmh, it's not about the personal life of tenants. It's about property security. It's my business (and that of the other tenants) when people leave access areas open.

It's also my business when I urge people to use an outdoor storage facility instead of their apartment so that my walls and doors aren't banged up. And then when they do so their locked bikes are stolen because of two idiot tenants.

--174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 1:41 PM
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IMO, If you are going to expect this area to be kept locked you need an auto-closing and auto-locking mechanism of some sort similar to a common area access lock along with an alarm that will go off if the gate is open/unlocked for longer than X minutes. I would want a camera on it to be able to see who propped it open as well. Otherwise you are in a he said, she said situation.

I don't understand why someone would leave a $1000 bike without their own lock even if there is a gate that is locked. --166.137.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 1:45 PM
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razorback_tim, good points. I'll do that and install security cameras. --174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:05 PM
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I wouldn't get involved,how is it they can afford a $1000 bike but not smart enough to put a lock on the bike itself and count on someone else to lock the door?I would not get involved,just tell them to make sure there bike is locked and if the door is locked that is a bonus --24.25.xxx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:09 PM
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The bikes were locked with good locks... --174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:11 PM
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second post referring to you contacting tenant about GF. that is not your business. Your concern is rent paid on time & property taken care of. Not that your tenants are having contretemps. --104.218.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:16 PM
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you are not in bicycle security business. refer tenants to call their insurance cos. you offered a place to put the bikes with no guarantees for no theft. give commiserations but no acknowledgement of responsibility. If I had a $1,000 bicycle it would be in bed with me each night and wife on sofa. --104.218.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by KF [TX]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:28 PM
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Obligating people to do something like that and trying to enforce it is tough. It would seem to me that providing the space and advising everyone to keep the gate locked is about all that you can do. The only way that you know who leaves it unlocked is because tenants told you. Not exactly proof for an eviction.

I had the same issue with a self closing, locking gate on a property. Tenants would actually prop it open so friends, pizza guy, whoever could get in without calling them. PIA --23.30.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:32 PM
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I didn't explain the details about the tenant's girlfriend and they are not important. She is an occupant that the building would be better off without. Tenants that cause security breaches are bad news. I don't get involved with tenants unless they violate leases. This is a lease violation and I was in touch with the tenant.

Forget about her.

My main concerns are with keeping bikes out of the building (and damaging walls and doors) while maintaining building security and having tenants who aren't worried about that. Also it makes my blood boil when I think of some scumbag breaking into my property and stealing. I wish I had been there.

--174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:35 PM
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KF, I hear you. It's frustrating. I can remove the tenant (who has received the most complaints) without eviction as she is m-t-m.

--174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:46 PM
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If you are worried about your walls, simply put in the lease that no bicycles are allowed in the apt under any circumstances. A bicycle storage facility is provided for tenants, but security is at their own risk. 2nd, I would put a web cam in the common area to the units. This way if someone is carrying their bike into a unit, you will have proof of it. --100.4.xx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 2:52 PM
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Thanks, Pat. I like it. --174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 3:48 PM
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Before the bike corral where were the 1000bux bikes kept? --76.188.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 4:30 PM
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Vee, that was before I bought the building. The were in the basement laundry room. The clutter was bad and and it resulted in dinged doors and windows. We might go back to that, though. --174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 5:26 PM
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I used to have a 24 with basement laundry, and the bikes were there, seldom any trouble, so I put a 2x8 on a hinge so it could be folded up for deliveries and down so you can roll bikes up-n-down the steps. Only person who had trouble had baskets and she used to lock on the railing to the basement, she worked with it and gained the strength to push it uphill after asking somebody for help she eventually kept it down there. --76.188.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 6:22 PM
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pmh :

Your last line had good entertainment value. --71.13.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 6:30 PM
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Gate that automatically closes and locks. My mother is in a complex where I think it would be difficult to prop with anything smaller than a chair. And it most definately closes and locks every time! --70.16.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Barbara [VA]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2017 3:26 AM
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Are they expecting you to pay for the bikes?

I would put a camera up. You can get an outdoor camera at hunting/fishing/outdoor type stores for under $100. They can be secured easily to any tree or post. One flash of the light indicating someone picture has been taken will most likely put an end to the bike theft. --68.107.xxx.x




Stolen Bikes (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2017 3:31 AM
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Bike theft:

I have NEVER had a tenant with a bike. But then I live in fat lazy SC.

I have had one tenant that was bringing his MOTORCYCLE inside so it would not be stolen. He's history. --69.80.xx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2017 6:20 AM
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Yeah, notice Jeff is in CO, land of the healthiest of Americans. He DOES have to deal with bikes.

My tenants here in NC do not have bikes, and if they did they would not be $1000 models, they would be Walmart bikes.

My HUSBAND has a $$$$ bike, but it's a recumbent and no one here would know how to ride it, so it's safe. ;) --173.22.xx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2017 7:02 AM
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Barbara,

No they are not expecting me to pay for them. In their favor, I require renter's insurance.

I am actually meeting a security camera vendor at the building in an hour. Cameras are over-rated, but they can help.

I have to find a better solution to this problem. Here in Colorado everyone has a bike. Heck, I have a Specialized carbob fiber road bike. I'm one of "them!" :) --174.51.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Andrew, Canada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2017 7:58 AM
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Jeff, in my building the bikes are stored in the laundry area.

Yes its a bit crowded, but there is no way the bikes would not be stolen if left outside, regardless of being behind a locked gate.

I do have to repaint the hallway walls a few times each year. But that is preferable to the tenants taking the bikes all the way up to their apts and damaging the apt walls and floors. --70.30.xx.xxx




Stolen Bikes (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: Aug 9, 2017 3:31 PM
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Can you see the bikes thru the fence? Maybe put something to block the view of the bikes from the street. Then it won't be as tempting, either.

--75.132.xxx.xx




Stolen Bikes (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Aug 9, 2017 4:48 PM
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Another vote for auto locking, self closing gate and a security camera. Nothing else you can do. Sounds like a cool place to live...my city is struggling with making the city safe for cyclists. We had two well respected members of the community hit & killed while cycling, one a surgeon and another a lawyer. The lawyer was actually riding in a 100 mile race with hundreds of fellow cyclists...he was hit by an illegal with 8-10 prior DUIs. The doctor I believe was hit by someone texting and shifting lanes if I'm not mistaken. Not safe to ride the roadways here I'm afraid...too many idiots that have zero respect and refuse to share a lane. --24.26.xx.xx



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