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HOA (by Julie [NC]) Aug 6, 2017 10:07 AM
       HOA (by Julie [NC]) Aug 6, 2017 10:11 AM
       HOA (by razorback_tim [AR]) Aug 6, 2017 11:53 AM
       HOA (by RB [MI]) Aug 6, 2017 12:23 PM
       HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 6, 2017 1:13 PM
       HOA (by Julie [NC]) Aug 6, 2017 1:59 PM
       HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 6, 2017 2:25 PM
       HOA (by Barb [MO]) Aug 6, 2017 6:01 PM
       HOA (by TA [CA]) Aug 6, 2017 6:12 PM
       HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 6, 2017 7:33 PM
       HOA (by Gwen [OH]) Aug 6, 2017 11:08 PM
       HOA (by Amy [MO]) Aug 7, 2017 7:36 AM
       HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Aug 7, 2017 11:55 AM
       HOA (by Wilma [PA]) Aug 7, 2017 12:32 PM
       HOA (by WMH [NC]) Aug 7, 2017 12:38 PM
       HOA (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Aug 7, 2017 3:35 PM
       HOA (by Julie [NC]) Aug 9, 2017 3:15 PM


HOA (by Julie [NC]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 10:07 AM
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State Specific Question About: NORTH CAROLINA (NC)

We bought a house in 2000 through a VA repo, and have been renting it out to tenants ever since. We were told at the time that there were no, and would not be any, HOA fees. There were no papers in our closing package discussing a HOA.

We received a certified letter last week stating we had not paid our HOA in the past 4 years.

Are we required to pay the HOA, even through we have no paperwork from our closing stating that there was a HOA, and we have owned the house for 13 years before one was supposedly created? --107.12.xxx.xxx




HOA (by Julie [NC]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 10:11 AM
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I forgot to mention that there are no amenities, such as a pool or clubhouse. --107.12.xxx.xxx




HOA (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 11:53 AM
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What do the covenants of the subdivision say? Do they make a provision for an HOA with required dues? This will vary from state to state, but I think in most states the other owners couldn't create an HOA with required dues without a provision in the covenants. Here, the covenants can be changed with agreement of all property owners at the time of the change. This keeps a group of neighbors from forming an HOA with required dues without consent of all owners. They could form an HOA, but the dues would be voluntary without a provision in the covenants for an HOA with dues.

Whether you received paperwork at closing regarding the HOA is irrelevant in determining whether there is indeed dues that are required to be paid. You need to research the covenants of the subdivision. Hope this helps. --70.178.x.xx




HOA (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 12:23 PM
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That's a lot of Covenants. --71.13.xx.xxx




HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 1:13 PM
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" We were told at the time ... "

Who told you? Why did you take his word?

Your obligation of due diligence meant that you should have looked to see if there were any obligations recorded against the title.

--47.139.xx.xxx




HOA (by Julie [NC]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 1:59 PM
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We've bought into 3 controlled neighborhoods over the years with HOAs. Each time it was made very clear that one existed, and we were given a copy of the covenants/bylaws, and signed a paper stating that we understand. None of this happened this time, even though we specifically asked both agents and the closing lawyer about HOA fees. --107.12.xxx.xxx




HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 2:25 PM
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Asking agents? Why not used car salesmen?

Thats the purpose of a title search. To determine all encumbrances on the title. Thats YOUR due diligence responsibility.

--47.139.xx.xxx




HOA (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 6:01 PM
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I would send the HOA a letter demanding a copy of the bylaws, including minutes of the meeting when they were voted in, and when the first fee was levied. Since you've owned the home since 2000 and they are only claiming fees for 4 years, something is definitely fishy.

I would further send a letter to each member of the board of the HOA demanding a copy of the notice that was supposedly delivered to you before each of the last members meetings, as well as a copy of the agreement that was filed with the county.

You may need a lawyer to straighten it out. It sounds hokey, though. --64.251.xxx.xxx




HOA (by TA [CA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 6:12 PM
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You need to check the deed to see if the HOA is mentioned --73.158.xxx.xxx




HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 7:33 PM
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The deed reflects ownership.

The HOA obligation is an encumbrance on the ownership, like a mortgage. It won't be shown on the deed. If the encumbrance has been recorded, then it will show in a title search as an encumbrance, just like a mortgage.

--47.139.xx.xxx




HOA (by Gwen [OH]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2017 11:08 PM
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Our HOA is spelled out in the warrantee deed. The governing documents are recorded at the court house. Your state laws also govern what they can and cannot do and those vary by state. I call our HOA the grass nazis. --40.133.xxx.xxx




HOA (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 7:36 AM
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If you bought in 2000, the HOA most likely just sent letters to each address in the subdivision in 2013 and did not bother to look up the owner address. So your tenant most likely got the letter and did not pass that along to you.

To what address did they send the certified letter?

Id tread carefully before making many waves here, as many HOA s do not appreciate rentals and there may even be language barring rentals. And even though you may be "grandfathered" in that regard, you could have a real fight.

Is there another LL in the area you could talk to? Even being friends with a long-term neighbor would benefit you.

Before paying, I'd ask to speak directly to a member of the HOA and get your hands on their bylaws before paying a dime.

If you find this is really due, I'd request the HOA waive any late fees.

Good luck-

--136.32.xxx.xxx




HOA (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 11:55 AM
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A warrantee deed is one in which the seller warrantees that the property is free and clear, or at least is free and clear subject to a specified list of contingencies.

Thus, a contingency like an HOA commitment will have to be listed on a warrantee deed, but is not listed on a simple deed, and therefore a title search needs to be performed. The title search will uncover any recorded encumbrances against the property.

--47.139.xx.xxx




HOA (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 12:32 PM
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Wow. I did not know that was even possible. For what it's worth, even if there are no amenities, an HOA in which I have a sfh has common area grass cut, the private roads cared for; and until recently, the water system serviced (now owned by a public utility). --71.175.xxx.xxx




HOA (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 12:38 PM
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If you bought it seventeen years ago why do you only owe four years of dues? --173.22.xx.xx




HOA (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2017 3:35 PM
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Pay it immediately or ask for a payment plan. Your house is in an HOA, and the community has been paying for the roads, landscaping, lighting, irrigation, and sidewalks. Now that you know you're in an HOA, raise your rent.

You're going to pay because you owe it. If you make it hard for them to collect, they'll make life hard for you for the rest of your life. --108.69.xxx.xxx




HOA (by Julie [NC]) Posted on: Aug 9, 2017 3:15 PM
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WMH, that's what I don't understand. Apparently they only formed the HOA 4 years ago. Am I obligated to pay since I have owned for 17 years and the association was formed only 4 years ago. It didn't exist when I originally bought. --107.12.xxx.xxx





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