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Service dog for diabetes (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 15, 2017 11:08 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by OPM [OR]) Jul 16, 2017 1:01 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Gail K [GA]) Jul 16, 2017 4:18 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by NE [PA]) Jul 16, 2017 4:29 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Still Learning [NH]) Jul 16, 2017 4:34 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Rick [IN]) Jul 16, 2017 4:35 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by LindaJ [NY]) Jul 16, 2017 5:23 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Vee [OH]) Jul 16, 2017 5:25 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by razorback_tim [AR]) Jul 16, 2017 5:53 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Barb [MO]) Jul 16, 2017 5:58 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Ken [NY]) Jul 16, 2017 6:12 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Susan [OH]) Jul 16, 2017 6:33 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Lynda [TX]) Jul 16, 2017 8:36 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by JLK [TN]) Jul 16, 2017 9:29 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by #22 [MO]) Jul 16, 2017 9:48 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by oregonwoodsmoke [OR]) Jul 16, 2017 10:14 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by oregonwoodsmoke [OR]) Jul 16, 2017 10:20 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by NE [PA]) Jul 16, 2017 10:20 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by David [MI]) Jul 16, 2017 10:43 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by razorback_tim [AR]) Jul 16, 2017 12:12 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 16, 2017 12:36 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 16, 2017 12:37 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by LivetheDream [AZ]) Jul 16, 2017 2:20 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 16, 2017 2:50 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by WMH [NC]) Jul 16, 2017 3:34 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Barb [MO]) Jul 16, 2017 4:31 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 16, 2017 9:03 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by NE [PA]) Jul 17, 2017 4:26 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 17, 2017 6:10 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 17, 2017 6:13 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by MC [PA]) Jul 17, 2017 9:38 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 17, 2017 2:47 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by cjo'h [CT]) Jul 17, 2017 4:07 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by cjo'h [CT]) Jul 17, 2017 4:15 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 17, 2017 5:59 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 19, 2017 10:25 AM
       Service dog for diabetes (by Barb [MO]) Jul 19, 2017 8:53 PM
       Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Jul 20, 2017 6:34 AM


Service dog for diabetes (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 15, 2017 11:08 PM
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Res says her dog is now a trained diabetes service dog and wants to stop paying animal rent.

I think it's bogus. Law says I cannot force her to demonstrate.

Anyone ever hear of a diabetes service dog?

BRAD

--68.50.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by OPM [OR]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 1:01 AM
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Hi Brad...here ya go

Under the federal Fair Housing Act, a disability is defined as an ongoing physical or mental impairment, not a temporary incapacitation such as a broken leg, the flu or a pregnancy. The impairment must have a substantial impact on one or more major life activities. This includes, but is not limited to:

Walking Thinking Seeing Communicating Hearing Learning Speaking Performing manual tasks Breathing Caring for oneself

..Also such as: Autism Seizure Disorder Multiple Sclerosis Cancer Diabetes HIV Mental Retardation Mental and Emotional Illness Alcoholism Being in Recovery from Drug Addiction Orthopedic, visual, speech and hearing impairments

--162.247.xx.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 4:18 AM
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There are dogs TRAINED to detect symptoms of low blood sugar situations in folks with difficult to control(typically type 1) diabetes.

These are often children with this type of diabetes but also can include adults.

Keep in mind that most adults with diabetes do not fall into this category.

Gail --71.203.xx.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 4:29 AM
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I need an emotional support dog that protects me from late rents and dirty units. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 4:34 AM
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I know there are dogs trained for that. I believe there is one in our area for a child and a book was written about it. My question is can a dog you already own really be trained for that? I thought most animals were raised, trained for a particular service and then matched up to someone, perhaps research that. I also thought on Service Animal vs ESA you could ask for documentation, but this isn't my specialty. --24.61.xxx.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by Rick [IN]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 4:35 AM
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There is no Indiana Landlord/Tenant law that I know of that does not allow the payment of pet(aka animal deposit). --99.197.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 5:23 AM
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Yes, they have service dogs trained to detect low blood sugar. I can imagine that a pet dog, that has shown they can smell it, can be trained to alert the owner, but that is probably very rare. Of course trained service dogs will have some type of documentation. Otherwise sorry, its your pet, has been your pet and nothing indicates else wise.

This is why I like M2M. At this point, I could get rid of the pet fee and raise the rent that amount... --96.236.xx.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 5:25 AM
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NE - hehehe, I have needed one too, thank goodness I have bolstered my lease from reading here and can still see to get worms on my hook..... --76.188.xxx.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 5:53 AM
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There are definitely service dogs for diabetics.

You can require documentation. There is a government bulletin that specifically addresses this. I will try to find the reference a little later and post it. --70.178.x.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 5:58 AM
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Brad,

They are a real thing. The sugar highs and lows change the scent of the individual. Super easy to train for. Most dogs have the ability, it is just a training issue.

The question is whether the dog is trained to the full public access standards.

Ask: How does your dog alert you when your sugar rises or lowers?

There should be a trained response.

In my case, when I am about 45 minutes from an episode, my dog will come over, hover and start tapping nose to hand and nose to knee. He doesn't stop until I acknowledge him. He keeps it up until either my symptoms pass (generally because the meds worked) or I have a full onset, and he is able to get help.

The dog should also be trained for social compliance, and you should be able to stop by, have a conversation while the dog is in a "down" and much more. Google the ADI access test, which is the base line for training. It isn't really much.

I know a person with insulin resistant diabetes who has to constantly monitor who finely got one.

Feel free to email me with questions if you prefer. Barb at springpropertiesrolla. --64.251.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 6:12 AM
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I thought you just add the pet rent to the rent so it just becomes 1 rent for the house? if you did this are they saying that there rent itself should be reduced? --24.25.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 6:33 AM
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What Barb (Mo) said. We have a friend who is a very brittle diabetic. Two of her dogs (which are not "service dogs, just her show dogs/pets) have the ability to warn her when her sugar is low.

This past winter, two of our friends went to an out-of-town show, and roomed in a hotel together. Our diabetic friend's sugar dropped while she was asleep, and the other friend's dog (who really didn't know the diabetic friend) went over to her bed and started growling!Wouldn't stop. Turned out, the diabetic friend was so bad the paramedics had to be called and she had to be taken to the hospital!

So, yes, I'm certain that there are service dogs for diabetics-even if they are just "alert" dogs-alerting to low blood sugar.I'd say let her stop paying the pet rent. --76.189.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 8:36 AM
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I accept dogs with no pet rent--but if I was YOU I would require to see the certification of this newly trained pet, AND ask the questions Barb in dictated. If the tenant doesn't have any certification and can't give the right answers, then you are being scammed.

THAT's why this Board is so great! There is always someone who has the best answer to every question. --108.87.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by JLK [TN]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 9:29 AM
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I would let her have the dog without a pet fee anymore. This may save her life. --184.52.x.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 9:48 AM
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It's everyone's right as an american to have a free dog! It's in the Constitution. It's known as the Jefferson amendment.

Sheesh. If I was a renter with a dog, I'd move in and then get a letter for a therapy dog.. this has gotten out of hand!! --70.195.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by oregonwoodsmoke [OR]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 10:14 AM
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Yes, a Diabetes alert dog is a legitimate service dog. The dog is a medical alert dog. No, you can not charge pet rent for a service dog, that is federal law. No, you can not ask for documentation about a service dog, that is also federal law.

--72.35.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by oregonwoodsmoke [OR]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 10:20 AM
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I am no longer allowed to charge a non-refundable pet fee. No one is allowed to charge a pet fee for a service dog. No one is allowed to charge any sort of deposit for a service dog or emotional support animal.

So what I do, is I add my pet fee to the regular deposit and everybody, pet or not, pays the higher deposit. It doesn't give me a non-refundable reason to take pets, but I do get the higher deposit and it stops those scammers who want to move in their family pet and not pay a deposit for it by claiming it is a service dog.

Month to month here, so if a tenant moves in a pitbull and claims it is a service dog, I can get the tenant out. But, of course, not because of the dog, but because I need my house back. --72.35.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 10:20 AM
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Brad, if you think they're lying or abusing the system, wait a couple months and give them notice. Tell them to hit the road.

I personally think the therapy dog thing is liberal ideology gone wild.

I had a lady with 3 therapy dogs and a therapy cat. On section 8, feee food, electric vouchers, etc..

She was still nuts, so I guess it doesn't work.

A service dog is totally different in my book, regardless of federal law.

If it violates your personal spiritual law Brad, give them notice. Just let a few months pass so it doesn't appear to be retaliation. --174.201.x.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by David [MI]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 10:43 AM
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Ne, I've said this before and looks like the supreme Court is teeing it up with the denial of service to gay couple case. All you have to do is, as you suggested to Brad, is to have a deeply held belief that man and animal should not live under one roof. Boom, problem solved , thanks justice gorsuch.

--50.4.xxx.x




Service dog for diabetes (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 12:12 PM
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Brad - look up Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity Notice FHEO-2013-01. Based on this guidance you can ask for documentation regarding the disability and the need for animal. You can't ask WHAT the disability is or ask for medical records, but you can ask for documentation that she has a disability and that she needs the service animal.

I would echo what Ken said above - when I write a lease, I don't break out rent and pet rent. If someone has a pet when they move in, they pay the higher rent rate until they move out whether they keep the pet or not. So if this was a pet when she moved in and is now a service animal then to me she pays the higher rate until she moves out. --70.178.x.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 12:36 PM
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People appear to need to be reminded that there is no official/federal "certification" for a Service Animal. Therefore, you cannot require "certification" that it is one.

As others have said... You may ask if the tenant is disabled (but not what it is) and what task the Service Animal is trained to perform. (It sounds like that has already been provided here.) You may also ask for documentation that the tenant has a disability and that the animal helps with that and/or "is necessary to give the tenant equal opportunity" in life. You may not require documentation (or "certification") to prove that the animal has been trained to perform the task.

- John...

--75.133.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 12:37 PM
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And, like Tim said, I think the main issue here is that you appear to charge a specific "pet rent" for the dog. If you do, then you need to stop doing so after this change provided that it is an actual Service Animal as best you can tell (which, again, it sounds like it is).

- John...

--75.133.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by LivetheDream [AZ]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 2:20 PM
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Nice thing about m2m. "Oh, you don't want to pay pet rent for your fake service dog?" "OK, no problem, here is your 30 day rent increase notice." LOL --47.216.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 2:50 PM
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That seems like very dangerous ground. Why put yourself at risk for something like that?

Seriously -- this is simple stuff. If a doctor or other health professional will give documentation that this person has a disability -- and they say that the dog is trained to perform a task related to that disability -- than it is a legit Service Animal. Just take it and move on!

I mean, heck, we're not even talking about the ESAs that clearly walk the line here! (And I think there are more fake ESAs than legit ones!) We're talking about a SERVICE Animal. They are pretty rarely faked.

Suggesting that you just kick them out or raise their rent significantly "for no reason" because you have a M2M just a few months after they give you documentation for their Service Animal is just ASKING for a lawsuit. Sheesh.

- John...

--75.133.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 3:34 PM
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I've started saying PET RENT is INCLUDED in this unit. --173.22.xx.xx




Service dog for diabetes (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 4:31 PM
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Actually, the number of "service dogs" that are faked is pretty high around me.

I was at animal control the other day dropping off feral cats. There was a man, woman and child there. They were looking for a dog to be a "service dog". I almost started a conversation, but managed to resist.

After they left, I asked the officer how often that happened. He said fairly regularly. I commented that the odds of finding a dog that would make a good service dog at a shelter were quite low, and that extensive training was required to train a dog for public access.

It is really sad. If course, I wonder how many people say SD when they mean ESA. --66.87.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 16, 2017 9:03 PM
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Thanks for all the replies!

My warped mind had envisioned a dog that would slap candy out of her hand or growl when passing a donut shop!

I'll add that her other dog was instantly trained at the same time for anxiety "service".

2 weeks ago there was no mention of "Service Animals" when we discussed their rent.

Res provided 2 generic printouts that do not show any name of a registry or agency.

The lease does not specify Animal Rent separately, just one price, but the advertising does.

BRAD --68.50.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 4:26 AM
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We'll Brad, you have your answer. You know those dogs weren't certifiably trained in 2 weeks. Especially since there was no mention of it previously.

So now you have a tenant that's lying to you. Move her alert level to red. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 6:10 AM
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Barb: I disagree, but I think we're just talking about similar things in a different way. The people you are referring to are just people that don't understand the difference between a Service Animal and an ESA. That isn't at all the same thing as faking a Service Animal.

To me, faking a Service Animal is faking an Service Animal -- meaning that you say it is trained to perform a task. I think that is pretty rare still.

What you're referring to is people faking an ESA (and accidentally calling it a Service Animal). I think that is common and what we all hate.

So, I still maintain that actually faking a SERVICE Animal is pretty rare. People don't bother to do that because it is MUCH easier to fake an ESA, of course.

- John...

--207.241.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 6:13 AM
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Brad: You seem to be missing something in this conversation. Again, there is no "registry" or "agency" that you need a letter from when it comes to the animal. In fact, you CANNOT REQUIRE THAT by law.

What you need is a letter from her doctor or other healthcare professional stating that she has a disability and that the animal assists with that disability in some way. It doesn't matter if it is a Service Animal or ESA.

You seem stuck on the idea that you need proof of training for the ANIMAL. That isn't the case and isn't what the law allows. You need proof of the disability (and that the dog helps with that). Stop focusing on the dog. Focus on the tenant. That is how the law works.

- John...

--207.241.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 9:38 AM
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So.. The dogs would not be home when she wouldn't be home. Of course they would be with her monitoring her moves. If they are legit,they will be with her at all times-in all places. The local grocery stores,etc. --75.75.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 2:47 PM
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Not stuck on the registration or training except that's the evidence she provided to justify a drop in the rent. If push comes to shove she will claim she has "written proof". True the registration is not required.

As I read the law and legal advice, we are not allowed to ask their health need (disability) as that is protected by Fair Housing discrimination law. We ARE allowed to ask "What task does the animal perform?"

I think MC hit a great idea - where is the dog when the res is away from the home?

BRAD --68.50.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 4:07 PM
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MC, in Pennsylvania is spot on.When a dog is left home alone,that's when damage is done,if there are two dogs,one takes their frustration out on the other one...................Charlie............... --174.199.x.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 4:15 PM
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I have diabetes.I also had three Samoyed's,they never told me I had a problem. Should have changed them pet rent,but how would they pay,bit-coin?......Charlie................................. --174.199.x.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 17, 2017 5:59 PM
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Brad: If the disability is not obvious (such as diabetes), you ARE allowed to ask for documentation of the disability. See HUD FHEO Notice FHEO-2013-01. Specifically, it states:

"Housing providers may ask individuals who have disabilities that are not readily apparent or known to the provider to submit reliable documentation of a disability and their disability-related need for an assistance animal."

Diabetes as a disability would not be "readily apparent." Therefore, you can ask for the "reliable documentation."

That is what you should be doing.

- John...

--75.133.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 19, 2017 10:25 AM
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I am told a dog can sense the blood sugar level of people. Seems strange if you ask me. --24.239.xx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jul 19, 2017 8:53 PM
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Housing (and work) with a service dog is different than taking it into a store.

A store can only ask what tasks the dog does.

Housing and workplaces can ask for documentation that there is a disability and that the dog is recommended to mitigate it. It is because the person and dog will spend so much time there.

I was asked to voluntarily register my dog on campus with HR. No problem, once we ironed out a few things. My boss was in favorof the dog, so that helped.

--64.251.xxx.xxx




Service dog for diabetes (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jul 20, 2017 6:34 AM
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Indeed -- that is the thing that I think too many miss. The law that has to do with Service Animals in public and going into private establishments (non-housing) is the ADA. But the law that has to do with Service Animals in housing situations that applies to us is the FHAA.

(And, when it comes to ESAs, the ADA has nothing to do with them -- it is, again, all about the FHAA.)

- John...

--207.241.xxx.xxx





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