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OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by rentON [PA]) Jun 15, 2017 2:23 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Susan [OH]) Jun 15, 2017 4:18 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by NE [PA]) Jun 15, 2017 4:36 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by myob [GA]) Jun 15, 2017 4:42 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Pattyk [MO]) Jun 15, 2017 5:11 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Harpazo [GA]) Jun 15, 2017 7:18 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by S i d [MO]) Jun 15, 2017 7:27 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Jun 15, 2017 8:52 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 15, 2017 10:04 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Vee [OH]) Jun 15, 2017 10:26 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Scott [IN]) Jun 15, 2017 10:31 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Susan [OH]) Jun 15, 2017 10:33 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Barbara [VA]) Jun 15, 2017 11:31 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 15, 2017 1:06 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by plenty [MO]) Jun 15, 2017 1:09 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 15, 2017 1:19 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Barb [MO]) Jun 15, 2017 1:25 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Jun 15, 2017 4:01 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Susan [OH]) Jun 15, 2017 4:08 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by LisaFL [FL]) Jun 15, 2017 4:15 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Jun 16, 2017 8:05 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by LisaFL [FL]) Jun 16, 2017 9:21 AM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Jun 16, 2017 1:26 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by RentsDue [MA]) Jun 16, 2017 6:32 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 17, 2017 6:58 PM
       OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Jun 17, 2017 7:57 PM


OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by rentON [PA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 2:23 AM
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On my connecting flight home yesterday I had the good fortune of sitting across from 1 of the 2 ESA dogs on the flight. Two "normal" looking guys each had an ESA Dog they kept on their laps. Thank goodness the flight was not full and their was room to spread out. These ESAs appeared to be nothing more than pets.

How and why have we started to allow This? Shouldn't it be that if you need an ESA to Fly than YOU shouldn't fly.

On a side note, why is it that American Airlines serves Belgium cookies?

Back to reality today. --70.198.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 4:18 AM
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As some of you might remember, I show dogs. Many, many show dogs fly as ESA's-during their career. Funny how when the dogs are retired, their owners' incurable fear of flying is gone too!

I find that sickening....I know two folks who show the same breed I do who have done that. (How they look themselves in the mirror, I don't know~~I couldn't do such a thing). --76.189.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 4:36 AM
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How and why have we allowed this to start?

That's easy. We're getting weaker & alot of people are afraid to tell someone no. Afraid their feelings might get hurt or afraid they'll be sued. --74.46.xx.xx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 4:42 AM
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what the heck is an EPA pet? --74.184.xxx.xx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Pattyk [MO]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 5:11 AM
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Are Belgium cookies made in America? Where? Why? Assuming Belgium cookies are made in Belgium then flown to US then all around the USA, they may well be the most well traveled cookie? --66.87.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Harpazo [GA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 7:18 AM
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When they're accompanying the pilot and co-pilot on the flight, then we bite our nails. --76.97.x.x




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 7:27 AM
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I agree; it's ridiculous; it's silly; it's absurd; it's abused.

It's not worth worrying about usually. I'm not allergic to critters, and I make a habit of carrying ear buds/ear plugs with me every time I take public transit.

Now if my wife is on a plane, she's allergic to dogs. I'll just ask her to sneeze wad of drippy snot all over the person and his/her dog...

How did it happen? Well...don't forget who we've been voting for the past 50 years. This is progress, brought to you by the party of progress! --173.19.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 8:52 AM
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The real issue is the abuse. The reason this whole problem exists is that there ARE legit people with these sorts of animals. They are FEW and FAR BETWEEN. So, everyone else with a pet that just wants to take them can easily fake this.

And, as mentioned in the first post, you certainly CAN'T tell just by looking who does and does not have a legitimate need for one. You can't "see" mental disabilities most of the time.

But that's the real key. There ARE legit people with disabilities who need and deserve these animals. But we don't have a good way to weed out the wheat from the chaff.

- John...

--207.241.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 10:04 AM
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Don't get your knickers in a twist. I don't see a problem with two cute little dogs on someone's lap. Would you like them to die in the cargo hold during a ground stop or something? What was a problem for me once was a big stinky hippie looking guy next to me when the plane was about empty. I asked to move and they did let me move. --73.33.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 10:26 AM
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When the flying people demand respirators that filter out dander the rules will change, then the folks on amtrak will have this problem. --76.188.xxx.xx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 10:31 AM
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Allergic people have a legitimate gripe. --108.219.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 10:33 AM
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Ally hit on a point too-it's usually $150 extra one way(if your dog can fit under the seat in its carrier);WAY MORE expensive if you have to fly your dog in the belly of the plane (must get a health cert. as well from a vet.) BUT-fly as a service animal and it's free...

No wonder people are working the system.

I LOVE dogs, but I sure don't want to sit next to a strange one for several hours, cooped up in a plane! --76.189.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Barbara [VA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 11:31 AM
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I love animals and have no issues with them...but I too think this whole ESA issue is out of control. --68.107.xxx.x




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 1:06 PM
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I too like dogs ,most are cleaner than some people,so I don't mind.people wouldn't be classifying their pets as ESAs if the airlines were more realistic in their pricing policy. As far as the Belgium cookies or biscuits are concerned,they are probably the the cheapest they can get,doesn't matter where they come from.I've bought biscuits in the grocery store ,made in Spain,great tasting cookies and cheaper than the ones made in the bakery a block and a half away, you could pick them up with your shopping cart,don't even need a truck?.Why so much more expensive? Why?..................Charlie............................................................ --174.199.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 1:09 PM
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There should be pet free flights like peanut free flights... Shouldn't there be? What about the unsuspecting traveler who is allergy to pet hair? --66.87.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 1:19 PM
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Susan,you have shown dogs.You are to be congratulated,that's a lot of work. Rent On,how to you find the time to be gallavanting all over the country like that. As far as the ESAs are concerned may be there are many more people who should have them,look at all the screw ball and nit wits you hear about on TV...............cjo'h................................ --174.199.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 1:25 PM
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A passenger with a severe allergy or asthma triggered by the animal has a real gripe.

I fly with Scooter. I've done it a couple of times, and will be taking him to LL Boot Camp. He is a real SD. He isn't perfect, but he passed his ADI based public access test and he DOES provide me a service. You wouldn't know it to look at me, though. Plus, he hates flying. He does it, but doesn't like it.

If we are flying, I get to the gate a good hour before we are to board in most cases. It is enough of a drive that I leave a LOT of time to get there. As such, any other passenger will know that I'm there with my SD. Plus, he isn't a little dog - 65 lbs of mostly Lab. We sit in the front seat as it is the only place he really fits.

It is an issue for discussion. Who has the right to the flight if I'm booked with my SD and another passenger is booked with a bad allergy or asthma triggered by my dog? One of us may have to take a different flight. Which one of us? I agree that severe allergies or asthma can be as much of a disability. Had that discussion at my SD class on day. The instructor kept going on about MY rights, but the other passenger has rights as well. There isn't a good answer.

As for ESAs, I have a friend with a child likely to end up with an ESA, if not a full SD due to anxiety. It is bad enough the child is home schooled. She can function with a cat on her lap, and has one that likes to be there and seems to sense it when she is getting anxious. If she can be a functioning, taxpaying, member of society with the assistance of an animal, why not? Better than NOT functioning and paying taxes.

That all said, the online certificate mills for a fee have GOT TO GO!!!!! --131.151.xx.xx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 4:01 PM
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Plenty: I know people who are severely allergic and/or affected by strong deodorants and perfumes. Does there have to be perfume-free flights too?

Sorry, but some people will just have to deal with some things to try to make things better for others.

And, again, I'm referring to those that are NOT abusing the system and have legitimate animals. We can't group them all together just because some cheat the system.

- John...

--75.133.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Susan [OH]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 4:08 PM
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Here's what I think on who's rights prevail (in cases of allergic to dogs vs service dogs).

It's like this-your rights to stick your arm out end when you hit your neighbor's nose. Your allergic fellow passenger can't change his allergies-but you can change flights with your service animal. (doesn't help you when there is an allergic passenger on your next flight, I know)... --76.189.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2017 4:15 PM
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Emotional support animals are not accepted by airlines in other countries, according to the International Air Transport Association. --173.170.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2017 8:05 AM
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The law that applies is our Air Carrier Access Act. It covers Service Animals and ESAs and is why airlines are forced to allow them.

Again, I think it is a GOOD law -- that is being abused. If someone is blind and has a Seeing Eye Dog, then that dog should be able to be on a flight and I agree with no charging them for it. This is how we, as a country, support people with disabilities.

If a person has severe anxiety and an emotional support animals calms them enough to fly, then I agree with allowing them to fly just like the Service Animal.

The PROBLEM, as we all know, is the rampant ABUSE of that law. We simply need a better verification process for ESAs. But that is always very hard to do -- easier said than done -- because mental health is a tricky beast.

- John...

--207.241.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2017 9:21 AM
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Many people have anxiety when flying. In the past they didn't fly, had a drink or took a Valium. They didn't make their personal problems everyone else's problem. The abuse is rampant. Entitlement attitudes are the problem. --173.170.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2017 1:26 PM
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I agree that entitlement is the main problem. However, there is a difference between someone that is "a bit afraid to fly so I have a drink" and someone with debilitating anxious that is a mental disability.

In other words, I don't think those with a real mental disability related to anxiety are the problem. When we talk about abuse, we're talking about people that just SAY they have anxiety so that they can fly their pet for free.

John... --207.241.xxx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2017 6:32 PM
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The term "reasonable accomodation" seems to have been lost. --66.189.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2017 6:58 PM
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What happens when the ESA is a snake on a plane.....just saying - and my wife loves that movie so much. --24.239.xx.xxx




OT: Flew with 2 ESAs (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2017 7:57 PM
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"I've had it with these motherfreaking ESAs on this motherfreaking plane!" --75.133.xxx.xxx





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