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No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Apr 13, 2017 9:52 AM
       No window bedroom? (by Steve [MA]) Apr 13, 2017 9:59 AM
       No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Apr 13, 2017 10:08 AM
       No window bedroom? (by David [MI]) Apr 13, 2017 10:26 AM
       No window bedroom? (by deb [OR]) Apr 13, 2017 10:42 AM
       No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Apr 13, 2017 10:45 AM
       No window bedroom? (by razorback_tim [AR]) Apr 13, 2017 10:50 AM
       No window bedroom? (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 13, 2017 11:04 AM
       No window bedroom? (by Amy [MO]) Apr 13, 2017 11:09 AM
       No window bedroom? (by Dan [IL]) Apr 13, 2017 11:32 AM
       No window bedroom? (by Vee [OH]) Apr 13, 2017 12:04 PM
       No window bedroom? (by S i d [MO]) Apr 13, 2017 12:44 PM
       No window bedroom? (by Steve [MA]) Apr 13, 2017 1:04 PM
       No window bedroom? (by Katho [OH]) Apr 13, 2017 1:11 PM
       No window bedroom? (by Katho [OH]) Apr 13, 2017 1:11 PM
       No window bedroom? (by NE [PA]) Apr 13, 2017 1:44 PM
       No window bedroom? (by WMH [NC]) Apr 13, 2017 2:22 PM
       No window bedroom? (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 13, 2017 3:13 PM
       No window bedroom? (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 13, 2017 6:18 PM
       No window bedroom? (by MikeA [TX]) Apr 13, 2017 8:35 PM
       No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Apr 15, 2017 9:07 AM
       No window bedroom? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Apr 16, 2017 11:25 PM
       No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Apr 17, 2017 5:35 AM

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No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 9:52 AM
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Hi fellow LL,

I just had a garden apartment tenant evicted and now had an empty unit. This is called "English basement" which only about 2 feet is underground with high 9 foot ceiling. There was some space left in the laundry area that I could add a 10' x 15' bedroom to the unit to make it a 2 bedroom apartment. The tricky part is that the new bedroom would have no window to the outside. I could add a window on one wall but it will be facing the laundry area (not outside). What do you think? Should I add this windowless bedroom? Most people prefer sunlight but I know some tenants that never open the windows. I just don't want to waste the space in the laundry area. I think adding a bedroom would be the most efficient use of space (compared to building a storage). Any opinion/advice are welcome.

Thanks,

--73.22.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 9:59 AM
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Unless you can provide a window that meets the building code requirements for egress as well as light & ventilation, you are just wasting your time & your money not to mention taking a huge risk in the event of a fire. --72.93.xxx.x




No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 10:08 AM
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Steve[MA], thanks for your reply. The new bedroom will not be legal unless you tear the whole unit down, get the zoning change, add more parking space, get a bunch of permits, welcome a parade of inspectors to come check on everything you do, apply for occupancy permit, etc. Please hold on to the "legality" opinions. I simply would like to know the possibility of prospects to accept the windowless bedroom or window to another part of the building (laundry room).

--73.22.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 10:26 AM
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Don't advertise as a bedroom . Advertise as an office or den --12.156.xxx.xx




No window bedroom? (by deb [OR]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 10:42 AM
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can't you just call it a bonus room/office? --216.155.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 10:45 AM
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Thank you for your response.

David[MI], Deb[OR], thanks for the idea. I think I'll have to advertise it as a den. --73.22.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 10:50 AM
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I would say a lot of prospects, and most if lower-income, wouldn't think twice about using it as a bedroom. But it's hard to not get into the legality issues here. You can't advertise it as a bedroom unless it legally qualifies as a bedroom, so you are going to have to advertise it as a game room, craft room, or something else. If you rent it knowing they are going to use it as a bedroom and there is ever an issue such as a fire then you've got huge negligence liability. --166.137.xxx.xx




No window bedroom? (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 11:04 AM
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Pacman, like Steve says, don't do it!the people will say great ,but if fire or anything happens, you'll be crucified.Unless its an outside wall.If its an outside wall and you put a window the proper size, even though you do it on the QT.At least you would have a little defence.Better buying another property,even if you're in over your head. Charlie............................. --174.199.xx.xx




No window bedroom? (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 11:09 AM
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Not sure you could considering limited escape route options? --136.32.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Dan [IL]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 11:32 AM
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I'm in full concurrence with razorback_tim. I'm not sure about the Illinois statutes, but here in Chicago, all bedrooms are required to have a window - both for health and safety reasons. That has been a standing law for well over 130 years. --66.87.xx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 12:04 PM
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Hobby - craft room. --76.188.xxx.xx




No window bedroom? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 12:44 PM
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Label it anything you want except "bedroom" and let the tenants use it for whatever they want. Not my issue if they decide to sleep in the craft room, office, storage area, game room, mud room, lounge, conservatory, ancillary dining room, cupboard, etc. --173.19.xx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 1:04 PM
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Hopefully you never have an issue with this hobby / den/ office/ bedroom. I personally know of a LL in the Boston area who lost everything he had & faced jail time when someone unbeknownst to him used a part of the basement as a bedroom. There was a fire & several people died.

As far as getting a building permit, I might be inclined to do a window according to code & never bother with inspections etc. In my area lots of unpermitted projects get done between noon on Fridays & 8:00 Monday morning when the government offices are closed. --72.93.xxx.x




No window bedroom? (by Katho [OH]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 1:11 PM
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Large walk in closet.

--134.228.xxx.xx




No window bedroom? (by Katho [OH]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 1:11 PM
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Large walk in closet.

--134.228.xxx.xx




No window bedroom? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 1:44 PM
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Death trap.

Why not add the window? --50.32.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 2:22 PM
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We have a wierd little room in our house with no window. We put glass block in the upper walls to let natural light in from the other rooms. Looks nice.

Our is used as LL storage, but originally we had planned it as an office or exercise room. --173.22.xx.xx




No window bedroom? (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 3:13 PM
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Pacman,could even be a nice room to watch #TV,but not a bedroom maybe even a sleeping alcove, funny bow people twist the works of Webster?.........................#Charlie......................mmm.m.................. --174.199.xx.xx




No window bedroom? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 6:18 PM
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I had an apartment property that had two large lower units with only 1 bedrooms, but enough space to add a second bedroom.

The code required the converted bedroom to have:

a) a door with specific dimensions

b) a window of a curtain size no higher then 4 feet from the ground.

c) an escape exit - window that could open and a person could crawl through

d) Ceiling height of at least 7 feet tall.

As a contractor with a massive concrete cutting saw, I cut through the block exterior wall, in the right spot to allow for the Window/Escape requirement. I had to add a steel frame for support. Even through the window was a slider, the fixed panel hinged out to allow for the escape requirements.

The window was frosted because the window faced the alley was and people from a building could view into the converted bedrooms.

I got over $500 a month more rent for adding the bedrooms, and this was over 10 years ago.

If there's a will, there's a way.

My permit called for a added Den. After my permit was signed off, I added a closet in Den, and called it a bedroom, under another permit.

--47.156.xx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Apr 13, 2017 8:35 PM
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You can get creative. Window doesn't necessarily mean glass. Put an escape hatch into the laundry. I've seen variations of this used in some older homes. Hidden doors, pull down stairs, a hatch that is a framed mirror. I bet you can solve this problem with a little creativity. --74.196.xx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2017 9:07 AM
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Thank you everyone for sharing your ideas and opinion. I walked around the building outside and found a boarded up window. The other side of that window was a kitchen. This is great. I'll move the kitchen to the empty space and convert the kitchen to the bedroom to have access to outside window.

razorback_tim [AR], based on my new idea. I would be able to advertise it as bedroom :-)

cjo'h [CT], I bought this building because of the upper 6 units above ground. The garden units are bonus.

Amy [MO], do you mean re-arrange floor plan?

Dan [IL], hi Dan! I'm in Chicago as well. We took picture at the last LL convention. Hope you to see you there again this year.

Vee [OH], or bedroom (with outside window)

S i d [MO], yes Sid I was planning to do that. However after discovering the boarded up window, I could create a normal bedroom with outside window. :-)

Steve [MA], same here Steve. Lots of no permits are done on the weekend to avoid the unnecessary red tape.

Katho[OH], 10'x15' walk in closet? Perhaps I could rent it as a luxury apartment :-D

NE[PA], I just found the way to add it.

WMH [NC], yep windowless room could be useful.

Robert J[CA], thanks for the sharing your success story. It's inspiring!

MikeA [TX], escape hatch? That's creative. I wish I had rentals in Texas. I've heard the eviction law is fair and no building code. City of Chicago really pick pockets their residents by giving them building code violations that people have to come to court to pay. Hate the crook county. --73.22.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2017 11:25 PM
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Pacman,

If you are a LL you are liable.

With our retail flips it seems everyone needs and wants an office. Childless couples need a 3 bedroom so they can each have an office.

BRAD

--73.146.xxx.xxx




No window bedroom? (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Apr 17, 2017 5:35 AM
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Hi Brad,

True. I have many single prospects who look for 2 bedroom to use one as their office and one for the bedroom. Well, after my discovery, the bedroom will have the real window. I no longer have this problem.

Looking forward to meet you at the convention this year. :-)

--73.22.xxx.xxx



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