Snow Removal
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Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 2:50 AM
       Snow Removal (by Tom [ME]) Feb 11, 2017 4:04 AM
       Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 4:22 AM
       Snow Removal (by Steve [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 4:38 AM
       Snow Removal (by Steve [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 4:41 AM
       Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 5:03 AM
       Snow Removal (by Vee [OH]) Feb 11, 2017 5:23 AM
       Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 5:30 AM
       Snow Removal (by LindaJ [NY]) Feb 11, 2017 5:31 AM
       Snow Removal (by cjl [NY]) Feb 11, 2017 6:40 AM
       Snow Removal (by AllyM [NJ]) Feb 11, 2017 8:21 AM
       Snow Removal (by Still Learning [NH]) Feb 11, 2017 10:55 AM
       Snow Removal (by Morris [NH]) Feb 11, 2017 12:35 PM
       Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Feb 11, 2017 12:37 PM
       Snow Removal (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Feb 11, 2017 10:15 PM


Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 2:50 AM
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State Specific Question About: MASSACHUSETTS (MA)

My question is sort of 2-fold. I have off-street parking available to my tenants. I do not charge them to park in the driveway (I am thinking about that though). I also tell the tenants who avail themselves to off-street parking that I am NOT responsible for shoveling out their cars during the snow season. The problem(s) is/are - 2 of the tenants don't do any shoveling and just drive over the snow, packing it down. This is problematic as it creates ice dams, slick areas, etc. ALSO - they continuously drive in/out of the driveway over the Sidewalk that I continuously have to clear of snow - City requires me to maintain a clear walkway.

I want to fix this. All of my tenants have been here a long time, so this is not new to any of us. But I am getting older with ever increasing back and shoulder restrictions. I cannot shovel as much as I used to, and I do not want to fight with them over this any more.

Obviously, if I charge them to park off-street, I would feel responsible for the snow removal. But then I feel I would be buying trouble (why haven't you shoveled yet? etc) I would rather issue a Memo reminding them of the snow removal policy, but with firmer language and the alternative that if they do not do snow removal, then the off street parking is not available to them.

Suggestions on how to rectify this are most appreciated. --73.61.x.xxx




Snow Removal (by Tom [ME]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 4:04 AM
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Hire a plow guy, raise the rent. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 4:22 AM
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a plow driver wouldn't work unless the tenants move their cars. The street runs perpendicular to the driveway (like a T), and the cars get plowed in every time!! Which is why the tenants drive right over the snow banks, then go on about their merry way. Leaving behind the dragged snow from the driveway onto the sidewalk that I spent hours clearing. --73.61.x.xxx




Snow Removal (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 4:38 AM
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IMO in a SFD the tenant should be responsible for handling the snow. In the event the tenant does not do an adequate job with the public sidewalk portion, the LL should have it done to avoid issues / fines with the city. Of course the tenant should be charged for this service.

In a multi the LL is responsible for maintaining all of the common area exits, stairs, porches, walkways, etc even if it requires multiple snow removal during & after the storm.. IMO the LL is not necessarily responsible for plowing the parking areas. However it order to help prevent issues from slip & falls, unhappy customers (aka tenants), etc, it is wise to take care of this.

All of this including extra charges for any tenant's failure to comply should be addressed in the rental agreement. Unless the parking is being used by a non occupant of the building, I wouldn't have a separate charge for parking. In your case the cost of removing snow from the walkways, stairs, porches and parking area should be built into the rent. This does not meant that you should be clearing off their individual cars. --72.93.xxx.x




Snow Removal (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 4:41 AM
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Just saw your 2nd post. Not all driveways / parking areas are conducive to plowing. It sounds like you need someone who shovels, uses a snow blower or perhaps a bobcat to handle the snow.

How did you handle this 2 years ago when we got over 60" just in February? --72.93.xxx.x




Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 5:03 AM
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I have a snowblower - and I can handle it perfectly fine. But it doesn't always work for the really heavy snow or the snow banks. 2 years ago - I did the shoveling and snowblowing. My neighbors helped me out. My tenants barely shoveled out their own cars. --73.61.x.xxx




Snow Removal (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 5:23 AM
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You should post a general notice that the rents will be raised in Sept to help with the cost of snow removal, place fence posts on the corners to prevent the errant driver from knocking thru the piles in August, they will get the message when they tear out a gas tank or brake line. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 5:30 AM
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I wish I could post a picture so you can see the very large area that I am dealing with - and there is really no way to put up fencing or other barriers. --73.61.x.xxx




Snow Removal (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 5:31 AM
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I agree with Steve as to single family vs multi family responsibility. I rarely find a tenant that wants to do any snow shoveling, cleaning. They are in a hurry to get to the gym. But then that is why they are tenants.

You need to raise the rents to cover the cost of snow removal. AND add in the lease whatever agreement you have with your snow removal person for getting the cars out of the driveway for them to work. Problem is during the storm, parking on the street is probably not an option.

My snow removal does not come until after the storm (or at least until it is almost done) Sometimes they just break the bank from the plows so the tenants can get out and come back later to clean it. BUT if they have a car there when the plow arrives, they need to move it for them. --108.44.xx.xx




Snow Removal (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 6:40 AM
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In our leases the tenant is typically responsible for the snow removal (driveway, sidewalks, pathways, etc).

I don't really "care" if they clear the snow from the driveway or not - it's their problem if they don't.

HOWEVER - if there is a sidewalk - it MUST be cleared within 48 hours of a snowstorm per some of the cities around here ordinance. some are 72 hours, etc.

IF the tenant doesn't clear after 24 hours - I remind them. If it isn't clear the next day we do it BUT it is in our lease that if we clear - there is a CHARGE for it.

If for any reason the city issues a warning OR clears the snow the FEE is on the tenant per our lease.

And yes, it does hold up in our court (although I haven't ever had a fee by the city - only the notice and I've cleared it myself ... when the tenant brings it up in the court - the one time it occurred - the judge said "is this is your signature on the lease Tenant?" "Yes, Judge" ... "then why did you not clear the snow from the sidewalk if you knew you would be charged for it if the owner took care of it?"

--69.201.xx.xxx




Snow Removal (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 8:21 AM
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I have three duplexes left. Two of them are full of people who get out and shovel snow even though I pay a guy to do it. The other one is full of people with health issues. I had to deal with everything you have there for 20 years when I had 10 duplexes. The only answer is to pay someone to keep cleaning the sidewalk off and any other messes they make if you can't do it. I taught school in Boston and lived in Revere in 1969 when there were 90 inches of snow in February and school was only open for 10 days the whole month. I would assign parking spaces on the property to those who do what they are supposed to. I assigned spaces at all my properties and it works like a charm. I moved back to NJ after a couple of your winters. They are terrible and there is really no summer.

--73.33.xxx.xxx




Snow Removal (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 10:55 AM
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I used to love snow... right now it causes headaches... hire someone to shovel the sidewalk. Don't get involved with them having to move cars for the plow. That is my current headache. New tenants this year don't seem to get it. Just threatened them with non-renewal of leases if they don't move their cars out at the correct time. Also working with the plow company to get them to stick to the plowing time frame. Snow non-stop for the foreseeable future with blizzard warnings for Monday... I feel your pain and am waiting to see if we reach the point of 2 years ago where we paid to have the snow hauled out of the lot. Next I have to figure out how to make changes for next year so I can enjoy winter again!

--73.253.xxx.xxx




Snow Removal (by Morris [NH]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 12:35 PM
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I pay a tenant to shovel entryways. Bring rubbish barrels to the street etc. I have a plow come and sand and plow a strip or two so cars can get in and out. Their responsible for their own parking spaces. The plow guy is good and will plow parking areas if tenants come down and move there cars while he's there. If they don't move their cars he leaves them buried. This seems to work well. I stay away from the place during a snow storm and a day or two after a storm. It all seems to work out by the time I get back there. --73.186.xxx.xx




Snow Removal (by Diane B [MA]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 12:37 PM
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@Morris - I live here, so I cannot stay away. Also, if I left it to the tenants, and they failed, I am the one responsible for any tickets or law suits. --73.61.x.xxx




Snow Removal (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2017 10:15 PM
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Send them a memo, tell them your back hurts and they can either cooperate with you on the snow removal, or you can raise their rents and provide professional service, AND they can park on the street when it snows, AND dig their own cars out after the plow buries them, or runs into them with the plow.

Not that I would know anything about snow being that I am in AZ and we have the AC running right now... :-)

- --47.216.xx.xxx





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