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? review security deposit (by mick [CA]) Oct 4, 2016 2:00 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Frank [NJ]) Oct 4, 2016 2:21 PM
       ? review security deposit (by S i d [MO]) Oct 4, 2016 2:25 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Vee [OH]) Oct 4, 2016 2:44 PM
       ? review security deposit (by plenty [MO]) Oct 4, 2016 2:52 PM
       ? review security deposit (by mick [CA]) Oct 4, 2016 5:20 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Vee [OH]) Oct 4, 2016 7:12 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Moshe [CA]) Oct 5, 2016 1:03 AM
       ? review security deposit (by mick [CA]) Oct 5, 2016 8:41 AM
       ? review security deposit (by Jim in O C [CA]) Oct 5, 2016 12:20 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Moshe [CA]) Oct 5, 2016 7:32 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Mike45 [NV]) Oct 5, 2016 8:14 PM
       ? review security deposit (by Moshe [CA]) Oct 6, 2016 7:57 PM


? review security deposit (by mick [CA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 2:00 PM
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State Specific Question About: CALIFORNIA (CA)

Can I have input on my SD return to tenant? This will be my first return. Tenant left the lease 5 months early.

Total Security Deposit 2040.00

Rent due from: October 1, 2016 to February, 28, 2017 -6000.00

Late fees due - October 1, 2016 to February, 28, 2017 -300.00

Agreed upon cleaning -130.00

Advertising cost to re-market unit -156.00

Repair holes in two bedroom walls and re-paint walls -200.00

Amount owed to landlord ($4,746.00)

--76.238.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 2:21 PM
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Does not look good. Others from CA will be by to give the real details, but you might be able to get the cleaning, ads & repaint, but the late fees [that have not yet accrued, and the rent that has not been yet paid....nah.

Maybe Oct. and perhaps Nov., but not to likely the rest of it. you have not yet earned the lost rents.

Hurry up and re-rent ASAP and thereby mitigate your damages/losses. --173.70.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 2:25 PM
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In most states (and I pretty sure also in Cali) you cannot just charge the tenant for the remainder of the tenancy. Rather, it is your legal duty to "mitigate loss" by re-renting as quickly as possible.

What many of us find beneficial in this case is the ELT/ETF (Early Lease Termination or Early Termination Fee). This is a one-time fee that is equal to somewhere between 4 - 8 weeks of rent for the tenant to "buy out" of his/her lease obligation early. I "sell" this to my tenants in the it could take me 1, 2, 3 months to get re-rented, especially during colder months when no one is moving. Would they rather owe for 3 months, or just pay the fee (mine is = 6 weeks rent)? The advantage to me in this type of transaction is if I hustle I can get it re-rented in a few days or a week and "double dip" because the fee is paid to break the lease early. There is no Refunded Fee if I re-rent it the day after they move out. Check with your attorney if that's legal in Cali. It works in Missouri!

Your (former) tenant will have to sign something saying he/she agrees to the ELT/ETF and that you can withhold it from the deposit. Otherwise, you need to demand rent paid until it's re-rented, and if they fail to pay, file in court. Meanwhile, get it cleaned up and re-rented ASAP. You want to show the judge you were doing your best to mitigate the loss. I know, it stinks...shouldn't be this way, but it is. However, a wise land lord can profit from it. --173.19.xx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 2:44 PM
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I dont know why you are asking late fees when you are asking to be prepaid in the same paragraph, any judge is gonne ask you to stand on your head in court so you have a better legal understanding of the tenant laws, you also can not double dip, take current damages now and then bill monthly until vacancy resolved. --76.188.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 2:52 PM
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Rework and repost --66.87.xx.xxx




? review security deposit (by mick [CA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 5:20 PM
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Ok, I re-worked the figures. By statute, I have to give a disposition within 21 days which is why I included the cost until the end of the lease. I told him he had to pay October rent, but he ignored me.

Total Security Deposit 2040.00

Rent due from: October 1, 2016 to October 31, 2016 -1200.00

Late fees due - October 1, 2016 to October 31, 2017 -50.00

Agreed upon cleaning -130.00

Advertising cost to re-market unit -156.00

Repair holes in two bedroom walls and re-paint walls -200.00

Amount owed to landlord $ 304.00

--76.238.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2016 7:12 PM
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Shorten the lines --> Oct rent $1200.00

Oct late fee $50.00

Nov rent $1200.00 (this makes more sense than charging an advertisement cost, no late fee yet - they might come forward)

Cleaning cost $130.00 (seems low, my cleaning lady comes 2 times and charges 250 because we have to move junk or remove carpet staples, fix smashed faucet or something - she seems to always make 2 trips and I buy her lunch both times with a helper sometimes)

So in summary the balance is 1348 if I made the adjustments in my head properly. --76.188.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2016 1:03 AM
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What authorizes you to charge late fees? Don't tell me your lease. Plus, the Civil code contains a list of items that may be deducted from the SD, and late fees are not on that list.

Plus advertising costs? Hole in wall, unless they are clearly unsupportable damage, is landlord's responsibility. Hanging pictures is normal life, and the consequences are normal wear & tear. Paint is not tenant's responsibility, unless it is unsupportable damage.

I take it that your tenant left before the end of his lease. In CA, you are entitled to lost rent minus the amount that tenant proves could have been reasonably avoided. Expect the judge to question you about loss avoidance, even if the tenant never shows up in court. Reasonable avoidance is usually limited to 2 months lost rent.

In CA, it is not believable that you would remain empty for more than a single month. Under proper circumstances, the cost of rerenting the premises is due to landlord, but it is not on the list of allowable deductions from SD. --47.139.xx.xxx




? review security deposit (by mick [CA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2016 8:41 AM
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Thanks, Moshe, I appreciate the advice. I have re-worked the figures again. The advertising cost is actual amount I was charged to list on a website. Tenant is well aware of the holes in the wall because I did an initial inspection. The holes are beyond normal nail holes for pictures. They are quarter-sized holes all the way through to the the studs. He mounted some type of heavy white boards to the wall. So the holes will have to patched and painted. The amount listed is what the handyman quoted me.

Total Security Deposit 2040.00

Rent: October 1, 2016 -1200.00

Rent: November 1, 2016 -1200.00

Agreed upon cleaning -130.00

Advertising cost to re-market unit -156.00

Repair holes in two bedroom walls and re-paint walls -200.00

Amount owed to landlord ($ 846.00)

--76.238.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2016 12:20 PM
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You will need receipts for any items over $125. --174.193.xxx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2016 7:32 PM
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mick, you missed my point about advertising cost.

How can you charge for future lost rent and also for advertising cost? If you are advertising (and charging tenant for that) why are you owed lost rent for more than a month? Where are you in CA that you cannot fill a vacancy right away? Death Valley?

It happens that CA is one of only a very few states (maybe the only one) that allows you to deduct for future lost rent. But that implies that you do not plan to rent out the premises, so how can you charge for advertising? If the tenant comes to court and points out that you are dragging your feet about re-renting the premises, then you lose your right to collect for lost rent.

So you don't know how to quickly and simply repair quarter size holes in the wall? Maybe someone on this site can give you lessons.

So the handyman quoted you prices. Did you hire him and have him do the work?

$200 to patch quarter size holes and paint? You have matching paint, don't you? You can use it to cover the quarter size holes and make the patch match the rest of the wall. But the amounts are not really at issue, if you actually hired the handyman. The requirement is "reasonably necessary", and your amounts are high but not completely unreasonable.

--47.139.xx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2016 8:14 PM
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Mick, re-read what Moshe posted.

If I am the judge, I allow you:

$1,200 for October rent

$130 for cleaning

$200 repairs.

And I order you to pay the Tenant the $510 difference -- assuming you provided a timely accounting.

--71.2.xx.xxx




? review security deposit (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Oct 6, 2016 7:57 PM
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Good thinking, Mike.

BUT,

CA law allows landlord under these conditions to deduct cost of re-renting premises, so I would add $156 for advertising upon receipt showing that mick actually paid it.

--47.139.xx.xxx





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