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rent to own (by Claudia [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 8:41 AM
       rent to own (by Richard [MI]) Mar 19, 2016 9:20 AM
       rent to own (by Vee [OH]) Mar 19, 2016 9:42 AM
       rent to own (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 10:03 AM
       rent to own (by JR [ME]) Mar 19, 2016 11:40 AM
       rent to own (by jimmy [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 11:42 AM
       rent to own (by Deanna [TX]) Mar 19, 2016 12:24 PM
       rent to own (by myob [GA]) Mar 19, 2016 1:00 PM
       rent to own (by Claudia [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 2:03 PM
       rent to own (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 3:47 PM
       rent to own (by NE [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 4:11 PM
       rent to own (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 19, 2016 4:24 PM
       rent to own (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 19, 2016 8:37 PM
       rent to own (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 20, 2016 9:10 AM


rent to own (by Claudia [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 8:41 AM
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State Specific Question About: PENNSYLVANIA (PA)

I own property that I am currently renting in PA. Since the tenant has been renting for the past six years, I plan to propose a rent to own agreement. If I enter into this agreement with the same tenant for 20 years or more, is it legal to raise rent every 3 years or so until the end of term? Or does it need to be a fixed rate, just like it works with fixed mortgage? Please advise.

Thank you,

Claudia --73.174.xxx.xxx




rent to own (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 9:20 AM
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Your tenant will most likely want a fixed rate. Even if you use an adjustable rate, the chances of a major rate in rates in the next several years is small. Since you will most likely be transferring all repairs and maintenance to them that will be additional reason for them to ask for a fixed rate.

If you want long term cash flow, that's ok, but statistics show that people move about every 5 to 7 years.

It might be in your interest to make the deal and then sell the note to a notebuyer. Just cash out and be done with it.

Take the cash and move on to the next project. --75.86.xxx.xxx




rent to own (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 9:42 AM
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Be sure you understand your laws about owner financing, here a private mortgage can only run 23 months or 20 percent of purchase price, then the incoming has full ownership rights and to recover you need to foreclose as eviction would be declined, foreclosure timeline is always 18 months plus extensions of any kind, more than 95 percent fail so be absolutely sure you have a legal contract. --76.188.xxx.xxx




rent to own (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 10:03 AM
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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE seek legal counsel THAT YOU PAY FOR prior to doing this.

Are you truly going to "rent to own" ... or maybe lease option, installment sales contract, sale with Note & Mortgage? There are several types of owner financing out there and every one of them has different SERIOUS legal, financial and tax consequences.

That said, to answer your actual question, I've seen installment contracts where the buyer is to attempt to refinance every xx years and if they are unsuccessful, the interest rate rises. --72.95.xx.xxx




rent to own (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 11:40 AM
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Claudia, just don't do rent to own. If you want to sell your house, sell your house. If you want to sell you house and reward your 6 year tenant, sell for a bit less than market price, help with the downpayment, etc. If you want to have an income stream, sell and invest your profits in a peer to peer lending site like lending club. If you want to save on taxes, ask a tax advisor.

As others have said >90% of these rent to own deals go bad. No matter what your motives are in proposing a rent to own deal; almost all of them would be better met via other options. --45.46.xxx.xxx




rent to own (by jimmy [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 11:42 AM
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I usually do rent to own only tenant put down 50% or more. My property locate in a low income area. Within a few years, they own the property. The monthly payment is fix. I use standard sale agreement with additional clauses like buyer need to pay the remaining balance monthly until it pay off then transfer the deed. I am not sure this is the best way to do it. --50.153.xx.xx




rent to own (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 12:24 PM
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In TX, there are some very strict rules which, if not correctly followed by the seller, can result in jail time or in the loss of more than the worth of the house. People in TX were abusing the RTO, and so the legislature cracked down on those dishonest practices with very punitive penalties, which also affect those who just don't know all the ins and outs.

PA may or may not be similar. You'd definitely want to check with what your attorney says.

If I had a six-year tenant, I wouldn't want to mess with the dynamic by offering her the prospect of ownership. I'd leave the status quo as the status quo.

If I did want to reward a long-time tenant with ownership, I'd just sell the house outright, get my money, and be done with it. I spoke with someone who used to live in my own personal residence back in the day. His father had sold the house, and had carried the note... and then the buyer declared bankruptcy after about a year's worth of payments. The house was protected, went to him, and the seller was out of luck. Whether that loophole still exists or not, I don't know.

But I'd expect you to have a good conversation with yourself as to what benefit a RTO would do for you in this situation. Perhaps you really do need an exit strategy, and this is your opportunity. But don't do it without good legal counsel and your eyes wide open as to the penalties of doing x, y, and z incorrectly. --96.46.xxx.xxx




rent to own (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 1:00 PM
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do a wraparound loan with first right of refusal.

--74.184.xxx.xx




rent to own (by Claudia [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 2:03 PM
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Thank you for all the answers. I really want to do business in the proper way. The more I think about it.. it's better for me to either renew lease and raise the rent or just sell the house. The tenant is still struggling with finances so it may be wise not to do long term business with that person. If I sell the house, then I will do business elsewhere. Again, thank you for all of your feedback. --73.174.xxx.xxx




rent to own (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 3:47 PM
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Based on the latest version of the Dodd-Frank Act, there are a lot more pit falls for you to get yourself into. These include qualifying the tenant buyers and limits on the terms you can provide on the transaction. These vary based on it being an owner financed transaction to a current occupant. Hard to believe that I would be saying this, but things were better and easier when we only had to deal with the safe act.

So if you elect to move forward and this is the first few Dodd-Frank transactions, an attorney is in order. --24.154.xx.xxx




rent to own (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 4:11 PM
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Isn't this illegal no matter how you structure it, unless its owner to investor sale? Anyone that can answer, please post how to make it happen legally. I really want to owner finance deals and have not pursued it due to Frank-Dodd.

--50.39.xx.xxx




rent to own (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 4:24 PM
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So far I have not been selling real estate. I have been selling options to purchase real estate. I then push them to get there own financing instead of having me carry the note. However if the tenant buyer doesn't buy the place in say three years.......then what? The rule hasn't been around that long but it would look like an installment sale to me.

If you do elect to do the owner finance, where you carry the note) there are four things that can make you exempt including only doing one per year or less and having the tenant buyer getting per approved by an independent third party (I use a mortgage broker).

Like I said, the SAFE act was easier to understand --24.154.xx.xxx




rent to own (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2016 8:37 PM
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Claudia,

Careful! Your "let me help this struggling family" gland is overpowering your "I'm in this biz to make some profit for my family" brain.

Rented, paying on time...why sell?

Also Dodd-Frank laws.

RTO is possible but in your case, why bother getting into a deeper, more sophisticated legal agreement?

BRAD

--68.50.xx.xxx




rent to own (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2016 9:10 AM
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NE - owner financing is not illegal in Pennsylvania nor federally. However, the past few years there have been some changes and now there are different type disclosures and guidelines.

BUT, in Pennsylvania there is case law, and I don't know the citation, that should you try to "evict" and your "tenants" show up for the hearing and mention anything about purchasing/ownership/etc., the magistrate will dismiss the suit and send you to common pleas for foreclosure.

Owner financing is offered down here ALL the time ... your lawyer should know which is the best way for you to structure it. If I were you, I'd find a knowledgeable mortgage broker in the area and pick his brain before going to the attorney. --72.95.xx.xxx





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