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Broke Lease (by Randal [PA]) Sep 11, 2015 9:17 AM
       Broke Lease (by Moshe [CA]) Sep 11, 2015 10:09 AM
       Broke Lease (by Vee [OH]) Sep 11, 2015 10:19 AM
       Broke Lease (by Randal [PA]) Sep 11, 2015 10:25 AM
       Broke Lease (by Gail K [GA]) Sep 11, 2015 10:42 AM
       Broke Lease (by Vee [OH]) Sep 11, 2015 10:47 AM
       Broke Lease (by Coplin [CA]) Sep 11, 2015 12:47 PM
       Broke Lease (by BillS [CO]) Sep 11, 2015 2:48 PM
       Broke Lease (by PC [WA]) Sep 11, 2015 5:19 PM
       Broke Lease (by Mike45 [NV]) Sep 11, 2015 6:57 PM
       Broke Lease (by myob [GA]) Sep 12, 2015 2:11 PM
       Broke Lease (by Randal [PA]) Sep 12, 2015 2:21 PM
       Broke Lease (by Max R [CA]) Sep 12, 2015 3:55 PM
       Broke Lease (by LL in [IN]) Sep 13, 2015 11:57 AM
       Broke Lease (by LL in [IN]) Sep 13, 2015 12:00 PM
       Broke Lease (by Vee [OH]) Sep 14, 2015 1:48 PM
       Broke Lease (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 16, 2015 9:21 AM
       Broke Lease (by WMH [NC]) Sep 17, 2015 5:52 AM


Broke Lease (by Randal [PA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 9:17 AM
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State Specific Question About: PENNSYLVANIA (PA)

So I just got word that a tenant who moved in in June is leaving Sept 30 because he bought a house. I believe him; he had a good job and decent credit and I bet he was shopping when he signed the lease. I feel I've been played and am feeling vindictive. He signed a year lease and I'd like to go after him. What can I pursue? I'll likely lose 1mo rent in actual cost but can I pursue further damages for breaking the lease (and pissing me off)? --98.114.xxx.xx




Broke Lease (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 10:09 AM
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Your vengeful approach is not appropriate.

Tenant has a right to leave when he wants, although he owes you damages in case that there are any. That is the limit of his obligation under a contract.

The measure of your damages is limited to your actual costs because of his breach, including the reasonable costs of retaking possession, preparing the premises for re-rental, and of re-renting the premises, plus rent lost under the contract. Few court will allow your damages for lost rent to exceed a reasonable time for you to find a replacement tenant.

Your anger and desire for revenge are beyond what you are entitled to. The contract does not bind the tenant to remain in the premises. It only provides for your reimbursement for financial damages resulting from the breach.

--68.135.xx.xxx




Broke Lease (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 10:19 AM
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First if no rent proceed to evict and ask for 3-4 months rent, prepare accounting statement on damages after all empty of food, furniture and packages - daylight inspection. get the unit ready to rent as quickly as possible and advertise - the court will want to see one of you ads to prove you are ready to rent and then they decide how many months of broken lease to award, every court is different. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by Randal [PA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 10:25 AM
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Moshe, you may be right that I'm taking it too personally, but I don't believe anyone has the right (morally, at least) to sign a year lease knowing they are leaving in a few months. Do you believe one can lease a car then just decide to turn it in halfway through, or walk away from a mortgage? If he asked for a month to month I would either have denied it or asked for more rent. I am not looking to ruin him or make him stay, I just believe I'm entitled to something in punitive damages because he broke a contract. --98.114.xxx.xx




Broke Lease (by Gail K [GA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 10:42 AM
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Although I've often wondered from some of his/her postings if Moshe is actually a tenant and not a landlord, he/she is correct that while you believe you are entitled to punitive damages because your tenant broke his contract, it is unlikely a court is going to rule your way.

While it is discouraging to go through the time and trouble to screen for stable tenants only to have them view a lease as something akin to toilet paper, you can only sue for what you are legally entitled to. And even then, it would be up to you to actually obtain any funds from a judgment; the court will not help you in this matter. Sometimes, in the end, all you can hope for is that such a judgment remains on the former tenants credit history of a number of years, perhaps shadowing their ability to purchase expensive items.

Gail --152.133.x.xxx




Broke Lease (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 10:47 AM
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The punitive has nothing to do with a civil contract law, you should get to a couple landlord meetings and stay with one for a few years before you go to court without an atty. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by Coplin [CA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 12:47 PM
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If he truly is buying and will have a loan, qualifying for that loan is getting harder and harder. Rarely do loans close exactly on time. If he has given you written notice he'll be out on the 30th and he isn't, then you can immediately sue for possession. Normally during the course of lender background checking they ask the landlord if the renter is current in his rent. So you as landlord would know which organization is gathering information on behalf of the lender. Also normally just before funding lenders pull current credit reports. So if your suit hits the courts during these times, it can often stop the lender. After all few lender want to loan money to someone being sued. So all you need to do is make sure that information becomes available to the lender and it may, just may, stop the house sale.

Of course the renter will still be in possession of your property and he could become vindictive, but you will have gotten some emotional satisfaction.

I don't recommend you do this. This is just business not personal, so don't take it personally.

Beside, look at the bright side. You'll know where he lives so you can easily serve him with a damage suit later and lien his property when he loses. --104.34.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by BillS [CO]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 2:48 PM
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I'm guessing you will be adding an ETF clause to your lease. That clause keeps me smiling while the tenant is moving out. --75.160.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by PC [WA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 5:19 PM
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one reason ETL found its way onto my lease this last time. --50.106.xx.xx




Broke Lease (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2015 6:57 PM
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Moshe is correct. There is NO element of punishment involved in a breach of contract. The only purpose of the court is to make you whole.

California Civil Code section 3294(a) provides:

(a) In an action for the breach of an obligation not arising from contract, where it is proven by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant has been guilty of oppression, fraud, or malice, the plaintiff, in addition to the actual damages, may recover damages for the sake of example and by way of punishing the defendant.

I don't know how to turn on the bold, so I will repeat the operative language: "In an action for the breach of an obligation not arising from contract."

Punitive damages are NOT allowed in a breach of contract case. At least, not in CA. And Nevada has virtually the same language. I do not know about Penn.

--76.3.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2015 2:11 PM
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If he has paid you September rent you can't do diddle.

He doesn't owe you anything yet so how would you file for breaking the lease or damages---.

You say you "just got word" --- can you translate that to LL language? Did the tenant notify you in writing or you heard it from a friend of a friend?

You can't go after him yet-- he doesn't owe you YET.

If he has given notice he's leaving it's not proper since the lease has an end date that he's not going to make.

If in writing send him a letter the notice is not acceptable and he has an obligation to complete the term of the lease or pay a lease cancel fee-- if you have that in your lease.

When October gets here-- let the fireworks begin. --74.184.xxx.xx




Broke Lease (by Randal [PA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2015 2:21 PM
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He texted me yesterday. Has not paid Sept rent. Paid 1st and 1mo security to move in. Text said "I already paid last month, let that count for September." So I haven't lost anything YET, and am not planning on chasing anything YET. But I don't know the state of the unit and I'm looking for my options. I asked him to call me to discuss but he won't, and won't answer phone. I would be happy with 1mo penalty plus any damage but since he won't respond I can't make the deal. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth starting down the legal road or just take the hit. I have a little time and money now and may also use this to help learn my way around the courts as I plan on expanding beyond my current 8 local units. --98.115.xxx.xx




Broke Lease (by Max R [CA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2015 3:55 PM
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Stay positive and professional. Early termination clause a must (for the future). Also important to state in the lease deposit cannot be used for last month's rent. Another good reason to start eviction process the moment September rent not received (again for the future).

At present take a stance of attempting cooperation. You need move out letter and vacate date in writing. Start to advertise immediately. Try to get cooperation offering a bonus if a new lease is signed before move out. For him to get bonus need him to help you show now to new potential tenants.

None of this may be possible with uncooperative tenant.

Do your absolute best to stay positive and professional. Anything less will likely hurt you more than him. Landlording is a long term game, stay cool. Good luck! --166.170.x.xx




Broke Lease (by LL in [IN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2015 11:57 AM
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He hasn't paid September rent? Eviction Notice Monday morning. Heck no.

This is especially bad for those of us in cooler climates. We can end up with an empty unit all winter. Been there, done that.

He is responsible for the rest of the Lease, ETF or not.

That said, you cannot collect up front on the rest of the Lease, but you could technically, file suit against him each month that he does not pay, while attempting to mitigate the situation. Most people don't, because it is a hassle, but tenant is on the hook until you come to an agreement. Since he is going, I'd state all of this unequivocally, and then offer him a Lease Break fee to be done with the Lease now. Otherwise, don't release him, keep trying to mitigate, and file suit against him after you re-rent, while of course, still following all of the accounting procedure laws. --68.39.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by LL in [IN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2015 12:00 PM
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And no, a Security Deposit can NEVER be used for the last month's rent. Tell the tenant that right now. That is a refundable deposit for the use of damages. He is leaving you with no damage money, if you accept this as rent. No way.

What does, "I already paid the last month, let that count for September" mean? Did he pay August rent and not September's rent? No way does he get a free month. He's already well into September. File for eviction NOW if you don't have the full month's rent by end of business tomorrow (and tell him so, in an email). --68.39.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2015 1:48 PM
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Get a notebook paper and on the third line from the top begin putting the monthly rent amount and go to next line, repeat until you have 12 lines - now imagine there is a column next to the one you made and put in the rent payment with a word for cash - check - money order, now you can see how the payments get applied to the oldest line items, when there is an imbalance you send a copy of this balance sheet and remind tenant the sheet has to balance or the eviction process will begin. My aunt showed me this about 38 years ago during a weekend accounting tutoring session - this is a balance sheet... --76.188.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2015 9:21 AM
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if he didn't pay September rent, just file at the magistrate. Be certain to check the correct boxes on the complaint form so you also get October since he didn't give 30 days notice. You can ask for several extra months due to the lease being broken - I actually had one magistrate give me the balance of six months one time (not that I ever collected it). Others won't.

Minimum he owes June, July, August, September and October. --72.70.xxx.xxx




Broke Lease (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 17, 2015 5:52 AM
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I agree with everyone. File for an eviction for unpaid rent - the Security Deposit is held in escrow until the tenant vacates the premises. You can't apply it to rent until then. --173.22.xx.xx





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